It appears to be getting hot in the kitchen...

[Steff]

oh man, you just walked right into that one.

Not anything from me. I appreciate his honesty. I also understand why his comments are sheltered. No hard feelings from this end.

 

 

By the way baggs.. I sent you a PM a few days ago regarding Soxfest.. did you get that?

[Wong & Owens]

Reading this thread is like watching midget-on-animal porn.

 

It's so wrong, yet, I can't stop watching.

 

Message boards are public forum. If you don't want to risk having personal information investigated, then don't throw it out there for all to see. JimH isn't some nazi--he didn't beat any info out of ncorg--he might be a tad obsessed but ncorg asked for it. Essentially, most people on message boards are strangers to each other, and you should still conduct yourself with the same discretion that you'd use in a room full of people. Ncorg would never have attempted to tell his "Im a stockholder" story at Jimbo's, for fear that someone with inside info might be within earshot, and could "out" him. Same rules apply here. It's like that scene in "Tombstone" where Kurt Russell boots Billy Bob Thornton out of the saloon. If you're gonna run your mouth and demean people, eventually someone's going to want to find out if your s*** stinks or not. If it doesn't, you're toast.

[Guest JimH]

youre talking about being fair???....holy crap...are you serious???

 

why you dont come all they way clean , jim???...i know for a fact a lot of stuff here is being misrepresented by you and others...but unlike you i wont be doing any investigations..

 

all through this whole disgusting affair you were dropping hints left and right of who you were..not even a week after this started you came out and took credit...youre just like a criminal who got away with a crime...most of them are caught because their egos are so big they cant resist telling others of their great accomplishments..eventually one of those they tell turn into an informant...you also couldnt resist dropping names in sox management...you really did a bad job of covering your tracks..and because of that there are probably some people pretty pissed at you...

 

while i dont agree with what michelle said at least she had the guts to post it under her own name...take full responsibility for it...you on the other hand didnt have the guts to go public with your identity until you knew the outcome of your actions... only then,  when your ego wouldnt let you stay silent any longer....can you see the difference,  mr cloak and dagger???

 

oh yeah ..before i forget...the funniest thing is you told another poster that if he had a problem to take this up with the poster who started this thread here...chivalry really isnt dead , is it jim :???

 

cwsox..thanks for your understanding through all of this..still like to catch with you sometime this year

 

peace ya'll

Your cluelessness knows no bounds.

 

Just because you have a beef with me, you get on your moral high horse. I can see right through that.

 

You tell me ... what is it you know for a "fact" that I'm misrepresenting. Do tell.

 

Dropping hints left and right who I was? Really? Where?

 

Aren't YOU the one who came over here, started a thread entitled "Hey Quickman" and proceeded to rant and rave and cry that someone had been listening in to your phone calls, you were going to file a complaint,e tc.? Aren't YOU the one who dragged things over here? Do you understand the hypocrisy in that? Or do you choose not to get it?

 

Take credit? No. I came out and gave background on the whole situation, including who I was and why my name wasn't attached over there. As for having guts, here I am, telling my side. Where were your guts in terms of asking Ken Williams to resign, after you spewed on and on about it for two weeks beforehand on the internet? Do you understand the hypocrisy in that, or do you choose not to get it?

 

Are YOU not the one who goes on a lengthy rant against me here, when I've not brought your name into it, take shots and then make your usual "I'll pray for you, peace everybody" mantra? Do you understand the hypocrisy in that, or do you choose not to get it?

 

WOW ... people are probably pretty pissed at me because according to self righteous baggio, I did a bad job of covering my tracks. I had or have no intention of covering my tracks. Ask me if I care if people are pissed at me. Those that are, they've been hiding something or choosing not to deal with it.

 

I said all along, and still say, that we'll meet with Denny to have him show us proof of all his claims. That's cloak and dagger? Do you understand the hypocrisy in that, or do you choose not to get it?

 

You don't agree with what hsc did, but since you're friends with her, you decide to jump in on this thread, call me out, but conveniently leave her out of it, until such time as I call you out on it? Do you understand the hypocrisy in that, or do you choose not to get it?

 

I told Vince simply this ... I did not start this thread over here. I did, though, choose to state who I was over here. You on the other hand, have been whining and taking pot shots at me over this whole thing. This whole issue had nothing to do with you, yet you seem to find it important to stick your nose in and provide sermon-on-high moral commentary about how tsk tsk tsk this whole thing was. Do you understand the hypocrisy in that, or do you choose not to get it?

 

Just in case you don't get it baggio, I will be very clear. You are a colossal hypocrite.

 

Now, do you want to be an adult and converse with me via PM, or do you want to continue to post your value judgements on something that never concerned you in the first place here?

 

And I'll be waiting for exactly what was misrepresented on my part or quickmans part. Do tell.

[Controlled Chaos]

All I can say is JimH.

[Queen Prawn]

All I can say is JimH.

Gotta agree with Chaos. It's time. (ok, so I am a year or so late on this one lol)

[Controlled Chaos]

Gotta agree with Chaos.  It's time. (ok, so I am a year or so late on this one lol)

I knew you would cave

[foxie59]

BRAVO, BRAVO, BRAVO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

I never post here and haven't read anything for years. Someone mailed me to check out this thread and was tickled to death that nsuffrbl finally got his due.

 

As I've posted before, hopefully he'll take his 20,000 plus posts, his favorite handcream and go be alone someplace.

[quickman]

OK folks, yes, I am Base Ball.  This is going to be a long one, so please grab a Coke or something and read along while I explain.

 

Off and on for the past two years, I went over to that board for information.  Particularly at the trade deadline and also in the winter, i.e. when there were a lot of discussions about personnel moves.

 

Way back when, I caught Ncor's posting style, and to be frank, found him interesting since I thought to myself, "here is a guy who's a stockholder and we're getting some inside info here, this is great."  That feeling lasted about two weeks.

 

I have a friend, a guy I've known since the early 70's and was my college roommate, who has bought some of my tickets for years.  He signed up to post on the board, I don't know, two years ago maybe, because we talked about what the Sox might do, who they might trade, etc.  He signed up for that board and posted for about two weeks, and we hooked up for some beers one night and he went on and on about what an asshole this "ncor" was.  My friend stopped posting, he said it was a waste of time and stupid (he is smarter than me).

 

I will admit this bothered me, and yes, maybe it shouldn't have.  Like many of you, I don't like my friends getting trashed, although he is a big boy and handles himself just fine.  So I followed the board over there off and on for a time, and as many of you seem to agree with ... Ncor is indeed an abrasive, demeaning poster.

 

I will also admit that I have those same qualities from time to time, I do not like to take a lot of guff (who does?) and my tolerance can be very low for it at times.

 

I know some other season ticket holders, none on this board, and began to casually inquire about Ncor, saying "hey, this guy is a stockholder, he lives in Oak Brook, etc. etc." and did they know this guy?  None of them did.

 

Then, SoxFest came up, this was Jan. 2003 and it was the day the Sox signed Lofton.  I was at SoxFest that day, and struck up a conversation with the web guy, the guy who was updating the White Sox website.  I was with the same friend who I mention above.

 

The web guy kinda looks at us as we're talking about Ncor, and waves us off and says "do you guys really believe this guy?  Do you really believe a major league team would allow a guy like that to post inside information, seeing as certain demographic information has been obtained, ISP, he posts so much we know certain things about him, etc.  Do you guys really think he's for real?"

 

Well, we were a little stunned, asked a few more questions because now, I was interested.  The web guy basically told us, don't worry about that Ncor guy, the White Sox laugh at him.  He is, very simply, someone the White Sox dismiss as a goof.

 

I probably should've let it go at that point.  Then, as many of you recall, the big drama about Ken Williams surfaced ("he will submit his resignation, Reinsdorf always protects his employees, he will be shifted to another position, his contract is complicated and it will take time, blah blah blah blah blah").  This, of course, was all coming from Ncorgbl.  Joined in by hotsoxchick (Michelle).

 

Like many of you, I waited and watched.  I know that Williams shoots from the hip, and let's face it, the Sox have underachieved and many times the GM takes the fall.  So it didn't shock me that speculation like this was coming out.

 

Right about that time, I met quickman via our mutual friend, who is indeed an investigative reporter, think high profile Chicago media.  I will not name his name but if I meet any of you I will gladly tell you.  The three of us were out one night and quickman and I kind of bonded because we are both passionate about the Sox.  We are also both strong willed and dare I say it, we both get a bit cranky when someone tries to pull bulls*** over on us.  And yes, the word cantankerous fits me at times ... I will not characterize quickman but he knows what I think of him 

 

OK ... we started talking.  quickman felt all along Ncor was full of hot air.  One thing we agreed on was this:

 

The White Sox have a policy of responding personally to the inquiry of any season ticket holder.  They also take very seriously their responsibility to be fan friendly.  They take complaints seriously and White Sox personnel are EXPECTED to be ambassadors of the White Sox organization.  That does NOT mean they'll cater to every whim we have as fans, but it does mean they're expected to be courteous, responsible, and do their best to make sure we as fans enjoy the experience, and most importantly remain fans and continue to support the team.  I have had a couple of long talks with my season ticket rep about this, and she is a wonderful example for the White Sox organization.  They expect this from anyone associated with the Sox organization.

 

Sorry if I'm digressing, but all of this is important by means of background, I promise.  Stick with me.

 

Many of you know I go to spring training every year.  In Tucson, you get a rare opportunity to interact with senior Sox management in a more informal setting.  I have met Ken Williams, Howard Pizer who is of the top guys and a friend of Reinsdorf, Reinsdorf himself, and many others.  None would know me if they ran into me on the street, I don't mean to suggest I'm friends with them.  Their philosophy is the same ... Sox employees ... and those associated with the Sox, are to be very cognizant of how they "face out" to the public.  Again, they are expected to be ambassadors vs. antagonistic.  They know that, in general, they can do more with the club if there are more fans.  It's very simply good business.

 

Quickman and I started talking about this more and more as we became friends.  We never sat down and said, "hey, let's start checking into Ncor, let's see if he's real."  He would talk to season ticket holders and he has at least one high ranking member of the White Sox organization who he knows from his neighborhood ... a high ranking guy, not an officer.  He also knows a prominent Chicago media sports guy.  We are both very friendly with the investigative reporter.  Quickman knows a White Sox investor, personally.

 

Other season ticket holders became quite interested in our questions of whether Ncor was the real deal or not.  By this time, I had strong suspicions he wasn't, but no proof.

 

We also know a couple of long standing season ticket holders who have access to the right personnel within the White Sox organization.  It is more than the one person who posts on this board whom you all think, or know, I'm referring to.  And when quickman and I started going to more games together, etc. we found one of the common topics was, "can you believe what that asshole Ncor was saying to people?".  In fact, we never called him Ncor, it was always Asshole Ncor  .

 

We'd put very very little time into this, other than asking questions of people we knew at social situations.  People like I've mentioned above - people who might have the right information. 

 

Some of the "personal" info that was posted about Ncor was obtained from reading the board over there, some from other methods.  It is not hard  to find out who is and who isn't connected, if you talk to the right people.

 

The stockholder list is not easy to obtain.  We were helped by a couple of people with this.  A specific letter was sent to the Coordinator of Investor Relations, Finney Noffsinger.  She is about 60 I'd say, and is Reinsdorf's right arm.  She knows all the stockholders, every last one of them.  She indicated to one of us that there is no one ... repeat, NO ONE, of the stockholders who match Denny's profile.  That means age, location, name, manner of employment/retirement, etc.  Also, Denny stated he bought in under Bill Veeck, that would've been 25 years ago at least.  Denny claims he sold his co. and retired 4 years ago at age 49, that's how he was able to retire wealthy.  That would make him 53.  53 minus 25 is 28.  Now, while it's possible someone age 28 in the mid-late 1970's would have had enough $$ to buy in as a White Sox stockholder ... it raised another red flag for me.

 

I spoke to three senior White Sox people in Tucson this spring, quickman does not even know this I don't think, and I casually mentioned, "hey, I'm acquainted with one of your stockholders ... Denny ... you know, the guy from Oak Brook, early 50's, sold his lubricant company, been a stockholder for a long time, you know ... Denny?" 

 

All I got were blank stares, except from the senior-most guy, a finance guy who said "You must be thinking of someone else.  There is no such guy."  That pretty much convinced me this guy was a liar, but I did nothing further about it until the letter about two weeks ago.

 

I sent it out on a Wednesday.  Whammo ... Friday morning, I get a call from Amy Kress, Director of Marketing Communications.  I have that voice mail saved.  What she told me has been documented several times, but I will give it to you in a nutshell for sake of convenience.  She said the Sox are very aware of this guy, since they monitor the boards (which is normal for sports teams - public perception).  They have had countless complaints about this guy.  The information he posts is way off base, totally wrong, and they agree that they expect anyone associated with the team to be an ambassador for the White Sox.  She also told me that while they get a good laugh from reading his "information", they don't pursue getting him banned because it's free speech ... and she alluded to the fact that anybody can post on a message board.

 

Meanwhile, one of those working with us saw the stockholder list.  We know how many there are, and one of them is not Denny.  Meaning, there is no name like that on the list, and none from Oak Brook and/or Tinley Park, where he has a son going to Andrew.

 

Why we (I) got personal:  we basically told him to fess up, or we'd release more information.  I used the generic name "Base Ball" over there out of my own impatience ... I put in all the info they require and did not put in the nickname, and well, I goofed on that.  It was not by design.  Many of you saw what we posted ... we WANT to meet with Ncor to have him prove us wrong, or I should say ... prove us right.

 

Oh, that's one other thing ... any time Ncor was challenged, at whatever level, to meet in person (usually to fight which is stupid), he always had an excuse, usually verbally demeaned the person and got back on his throne.

 

We take it personally that someone poses as a stockholder, passes off information when he's not a stockholder, and misleads fans.  Sure, we could've left it alone and said "what's the difference, it's only a message board".  I can see why some of you would think we went overboard, I respect your opinion.  Quickman reinforced to me that hey, our money is essentially going into this guy's pocket, let's find out for sure if it is or isn't.

 

I felt that was reason enough.  Put it this way ... if you go to the dry cleaners because you like the way they do your shirts, but every time you interact with one of the owners he is a total prick to you, how would you feel?  Or you went to a good restaurant, your waitress was nice, food great, atmosphere great ... but the owner growled at you and treated you like s***?  That is the attitude we took.

 

I said, hey, you don't want to fess up, we'll bring more info out.  Sure enough, all his cohorts jumped in to defend him.  NOT ONE of them has ever met him and can PERSONALLY vouch for him.  And hsc was the first one to start blathering away, defending him.  That's fine, but be prepared to have your credibility questioned.  Do I wish it hadn't gotten ugly?  Yes, of course.  Did we waste our time?  That's for us to decide, we feel we didn't.

 

There will be more information coming out, we are not necessarily actively seeking it, but you can bet all involved have our ears open and we will continue to ask questions.  Meanwhile, MLB is busy deleting threads, Denny is changing his user profile on Ebay (he spends a lot of time buying and selling on Ebay) and I'm quite certain he is regrouping.  Most telling to us is how, after we posted a lot of info we'd gotten from the sox and other sources, he took a different approach ... he asked all his cohorts to "not repond to us, it's the only way they'll go away."  He thought we were one of his nemesis over there, some guy named FoxieMVP59, something like that.  We don't know Foxie, have never met him.  We have lots of people involved behind the scenes, or should I say interested and willing to get involved.

 

So folks, that is the story.  We did not mean to make this a big soap opera.  I will gladly meet and shake anyone's hand, so will quickman.  We are personally known to a few on this board, not many.  We are both successful businessmen and we are not afraid to stand up and be counted.

 

In closing, there will be more to come out, in time.

 

JH

Amen, friend. Lets bring home a winner this year. Still love ya like only another man can!!!!!!!!!!!! Please

[quickman]

I may decide to go out in a blaze of glory suspending people who bring whitesox.com forum fights over to here.  This is why many of us left that forums and I sure don't want this s*** here.

 

And it is a tad obsessive and almost frightening and threatening to say "we have his full name" -

 

this tracking people down and violating their privacy and these conspiracy theories are over the top

 

Hell, Scott A Teter, Sat46, is, as I have posted, a Sox expert who has been credited in many places including 8 Men Out and White Sox: A Visual Histoiry (see attached photo) for his contributiuons.  He is retired army, West Point grad.  As quickman defended his friend JimH, so Sat defended his friend Dennis.  Why is that wrong for him and right for you?  Do you have red phones to contact each other?  Get over it. Scott has his own sense of honor that is probably very military.  And I actually resent the  comments.

 

Sat has threatened to meet people for fisticuffs for years.  It is his bluster.  I by no means have always gotten along with him and have gotten tired of his bluster.  But he is also a real Sox fan and a good person loyal to his friends and maybe he finds the obsession with Dennis to be weird.

 

Ncorg posted here briefly.  He was an asshole here to a good poster named Rafacosta.  I in no way condone what Ncorg has sometimes done at whitesox.com and left because - not him - but all the peope who always felt they had to fight him and then he fought back and on and on and on.

 

Sat46 has posted here too with his Little Boat thing which a lot of people like. But Sat has not been here much. 

 

The problems you had with Ncorg, I have my opinions on.  They were problems that were whitesox.com problems, not soxtalk problems.  The proper forum for them was there.  Not here.

 

But in the end, could you all have not prevailed on the mlb administrators to do something and not been all public with this?  I get the real feel of threatening board police.  Will you go after me next?  Someone else?  Anyone you don't like, will you take down?  Invade our privacies and post private information? 

 

for the record, that there are no last named Greeks in Oak Brook or Tinley park means nothing.  Two of my friends in high school wewre 100% Greek and named Pantazi and Ascot.  Some names got changed at Ellis Island.  The rest: maybe he was total fraud.  Maybe he was a board bully at whitesox.com but it was not a soxtalk issue.  Ever consider that the crusade to out Dennis made you bullies as well?  If the Sox were so concerned, they could have acted quietly and a pathetic little man would not have to be stomped on with all the ugly waves in its wake.  You opened up a box of horrors. 

 

I wish it had been handled quietly beneath the surface or handled only at whitesox.com.  This was not our fight.  This is not what soxtalk is for, whitesox.com problems.  I came here to get away from that.

I am late to respond I know. I or Jim never brought this issue to this Board. We did though respond to those with questions here. We always wanted to keep the game over there because that is where the issue is. You can go back and look at my psot to Cosat. I think they will say he is entitled to his opinion and I respect that. He was very agreesive and I understand that defending a friend. I have no issue with him.

[Guest JimH]

Amen, friend. Lets bring home a winner this year. Still love ya like only another man can!!!!!!!!!!!! Please

Easy, lightning.

 

Are you kiddin' me?

 

I'm serious.

 

What's the matter with you?

 

I'm tellin' ya.

 

Please.

 

[AngelasDaddy0427]

I'm going to give the same opinion that I gave when I replied to your post on the MLB board under the name JoeGem before it got deleted...

There is no excuse for doing any of this.

People lie on the internet.

Theres a reason you go into a chat room and all the guys have 12 inch dongs and all the women are a perfect size 5.

The point is who cares. I would never give that a second thought.

It scares the hell out of me that someone who disagrees with me on a message board could somehow get my name or even the address to my apartment and perhaps come after me.

I just don't get why this became such a big deal

[quickman]

Final thoughts... I hope

 

 

Jim and I took alot of abuse understandably both on this board and the other board. We knew when posting we would have some people not like what we had to offer. That is still the case with many here. I am personally questioned from many on this board (the only board that matters) about my maturity level, age and wisdom. I am a big boy and so is Jim. We can deal with that. I wish we could have handled this in a more controlled environment, but that seemed hard to do. We simply could not get NCorg to meet with us.

 

I am happy Jim posted and explained more thoroughly. I remain convinced of the following:

 

1) NCORG is not an investor. This quite frankly is not up for debate from my end.

2) That NCORG was knocked down a peg or two and may just rethink how he responds to people. Of course Jim and I remain vulnerable to a lower peg as well.

3) HSC hit way below the belt by attacking Steff. I feel bad on this one. Now many understand the type of person she is as well.

4) That the Whitesox monitor and look at the boards. (I think that is great) Gives them an idea of what the fans are thinking. Maybe they browse here as well.

5) That Jim and I remain unconvincing to many here. Again I respect that opinion as well.

6) That there are many people here who have tight ties to others. I think that is great, this board and this thread is like a family, it brought folks together tore them apart and then back together again. Hate too sound soft here!

7) even though this thread came to this board, we kept it of the main threads.

 

I am sure there is more but I am tired.

 

 

 

I wish everyone a happy summer filled with Sox wins. Vacation time for me.

[Guest JimH]

I'm going to give the same opinion that I gave when I replied to your post on the MLB board under the name JoeGem before it got deleted...

There is no excuse for doing any of this.

People lie on the internet.

Theres a reason you go into a chat room and all the guys have 12 inch dongs and all the women are a perfect size 5.

The point is who cares. I would never give that a second thought.

It scares the hell out of me that someone who disagrees with me on a message board could somehow get my name or even the address to my apartment and perhaps come after me.

I just don't get why this became such a big deal

Jeckle, no problem.

 

We agree to disagree, I respect your viewpoint.

[Steff]

snip..

 

....all the women are a perfect size 5.

A 5!!!

 

 

There's something bigger than a 2...????

[mreye]

A 5!!!

 

 

There's something bigger than a 2...????

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[moochpuppy]

There's something bigger than a 2...????

I'm not gonna touch that one.

[Kid Gleason]

So...who is this NCor guy everybody is talking about???

[IlliniKrush]

So...who is this NCor guy everybody is talking about???

Ya, really....

 

Finally i posted in this thread. I don't plan on posting again.

[Steff]

Ya, really....

 

Finally i posted in this thread. I don't plan on posting again.

And what an addition it was... rolleyeyes.gif

[Guest JimH]

Interesting sidebar, at the risk of beating this to death ...

 

"Alterity" was lurking earlier today, he is the White Sox web guy, lives in Florida. Seems like a very nice, decent fellow to me. Wants everything to be above board, fair, and equitable, which I agree with.

 

I asked him if he was doing research, as I'm confident somebody like Denny won't just roll over and go away (we are ready if he doesn't).

 

Anyway, he said he was just trying to determine who was on the up and up, he asked about me and my buddy talking to a web guy at SoxFest in early 2003, stating it was likely his production asst. and that guy wouldn't know too much about the White Sox goings-on to know much about Ncor one way or the other.

 

So I described the guy, although that was a 5 minute conversation over a year and a half ago. I know what he said, so did my buddy.

 

He also stated he talks to Amy Kress, the White Sox Dir. of Mktg. Communications, who "can't remember" leaving a voice mail for any fan about Ncor, although she seemed to recall doing so "maybe a few years ago". I told this guy to come over to my house and listen to it, and told him the day she'd called. I may just call and remind her. It is clear the Sox are in "let's sweep this under the rug ASAP" mode. They do NOT want anybody sniffing around their investors, especially the investor list. I'm sure Amy may have taken some heat because her name was on the internet, and for that I feel bad for Amy. But Amy, if you read this, tell the truth, you called me on Friday July 2nd. I saved the voice mail message. If your memory needs a jog, you are cordially invited to my house for a beer. I do not blame you for wanting this in the rear view mirror, it is a potentially embarassing situation for the Sox. You guys should've dealt with this guy a long time ago by simply stating any information about the White Sox will come out via an official press release. But I can truly understand why they chose not to do anything about it ... very frankly, they have better things to worry about.

 

I do not know the Sox's web guy's name, I do believe one of our posters does. It does not matter, he had a mess to clean up, and if I were him I'd be reading this thread too.

 

I will try to leave this alone because believe it or not, I have better things to do, a business to run. In the event I need to respond to questions or bleeding hearts, I'll be here to do so.

 

As soon as there is any more information, it will get out. I know this is not a SoxTalk issue as well.

[Steff]

Jim.. not that it matters but Eric Helmer, Marketing Producer Major League Baseball Online Services has been emailing me and states that he is taking care of this stuff so I'm not sure if "alterity" is aware of what's being done. Also.. Amy took a little heat from what I understand, but nothing major.

[Mr. Showtime]

Shocking, I leave town for a week and all this goes down.

[AngelasDaddy0427]

I have a suggestion...

This thread needs to be allowed to DIE, LOCK IT!

I come here to avoid seeing trolls, spam, and this soap opera.

I think i'm not the only one who would just assume see this go away...

Just a suggestion...

 

Please don't come after me I don't want any trouble

[Guest JimH]

I have a suggestion...

This thread needs to be allowed to DIE, LOCK IT!

I come here to avoid seeing trolls, spam, and this soap opera.

I think i'm not the only one who would just assume see this go away...

Just a suggestion...

 

Please don't come after me I don't want any trouble

Here's what I would suggest then, you made your point on the last page, ok?

 

Don't post anymore in this thread if you're so annoyed by it.

[kapkomet]

I have a suggestion...

This thread needs to be allowed to DIE, LOCK IT!

I come here to avoid seeing trolls, spam, and this soap opera.

I think i'm not the only one who would just assume see this go away...

Just a suggestion...

 

Please don't come after me I don't want any trouble

It's very simple. Don't read this thread.

 

That'll make it all go away.