sox-r-us Posted July 8, 2004 Share Posted July 8, 2004 So, right now against Sele, the bases are juiced in a 5-3 game where a base hit ties it And Jose V has just walked? So what does Kong do on the first PITCH...HE HITS IT FOUL Second pitch....he hits it FOUL So why is he NOT TAKING ANY PITCH .....given how important is at bat is for the game and given a bas ehit would tie it with two outs Of course he even went after the 3rd pitch (on 0-2) count and got a basehit to tie it 5-5, but where are the bashers? Like I said, if C Lee had got a bse hit with that hit that day where he hit the ball hard, there would be no threads :fyou hypocrites Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Honda Civic Posted July 8, 2004 Share Posted July 8, 2004 I'm smarter than you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted July 8, 2004 Share Posted July 8, 2004 Like I said, if C Lee had got a bse hit with that hit that day where he hit the ball hard, there would be no threads Yea.. if Lee's hit had gotten just a bit higher.. no one would have b****ed. What exactly is your point..? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sox-r-us Posted July 8, 2004 Author Share Posted July 8, 2004 My point is to bash C Lee and generalize that he sucks for hitting that first pitch in a key situation is WRONG and UNINFORMED Maybe Guillen had given C lee the sign that he has to swing on the first pitch because that is the best pitch he is going to see Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted July 8, 2004 Share Posted July 8, 2004 The difference is that Lee's hit didn't get the job done.. Paul's did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winninguglyin83 Posted July 8, 2004 Share Posted July 8, 2004 let's bash esty instead Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted July 8, 2004 Share Posted July 8, 2004 My point is to bash C Lee and generalize that he sucks for hitting that first pitch in a key situation is WRONG and UNINFORMED Maybe Guillen had given C lee the sign that he has to swing on the first pitch because that is the best pitch he is going to see Baseball is a game of inches. I don't think swinging at the first pitch, if it's a good one to hit is necessarily wrong. Sometimes hitters, Carlos Lee included, can be too aggressive and swing at things that aren't good pitches to hit. Carlos and Paulie are both good hitters though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sox-r-us Posted July 8, 2004 Author Share Posted July 8, 2004 Baseball is a game of inches. I don't think swinging at the first pitch, if it's a good one to hit is necessarily wrong. Sometimes hitters, Carlos Lee included, can be too aggressive and swing at things that aren't good pitches to hit. Carlos and Paulie are both good hitters though. I agree it is not necessarily wrong....which is my point. Stop bashing someone because they hit at the first pitch....big deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wedge Posted July 8, 2004 Share Posted July 8, 2004 I agree it is not necessarily wrong....which is my point. Stop bashing someone because they hit at the first pitch....big deal. I'm not going to bash Lee, but I will say the situation is different. In the game Tuesday, F-Rod was in trouble because he gave up some walks and was having control issues that way. Thus, patience seemed like a better strategy. In today's game, Sele was giving up a hit parade, thus, swinging the bat at something that looked good seemed like a better strategy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baggio202 Posted July 8, 2004 Share Posted July 8, 2004 the difference is konerko goes up to home plate with some kind of a plan...and after going down in the count 0-2 he shortened his swing and just tried to dump the ball into RF...carlos with the bases loaded swings from his heels regaurdless of the count...does anyone here deny that lee is not a very smart ballplayer??.. im not the biggest paulie fan either but over the years konerko has atleast develop some sense of situational hitting..so i dont bash on him anymore...mainly he is doing a much better job of going to RF this year than he did last year... when carlos was on his hitting streak where he didnt hit any homers he probably played the best stretch of baseball he ever played for us...i wish he would stick with that mentality..short swing - hit the ball where its pitched..including into RF...if carlos would do that id never bash him again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandoFan Posted July 8, 2004 Share Posted July 8, 2004 Judge the at-bat by the quality of contact. 1st pitch line-out is better than a 10th pitch bouncer that has eyes, or is mishandled by an infielder and is scored as a hit. Sometimes a hard-hit out is better better than a flukey hit. Better be lucky than good may work in the stock market, but over 162 game baseball season, you want good and not luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish Posted July 8, 2004 Share Posted July 8, 2004 Carlos Lee consistently swings at the first pitch. In any situation. He lets a lot of pitchers off the hook that way. For instance the other day against Zambrano when we had him in a high pitch count. Carlos Lee is the first batter up and swings at the first pitch. That is f***ed up! Take some pitches, get Zambrano out of the game earlier and get to the bullpen. Lee is just a dumb ball player. Good hitter, but very very dumb! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandoFan Posted July 8, 2004 Share Posted July 8, 2004 Carlos Lee consistently swings at the first pitch. You have to judge by the OUTCOME. 1st pitch pop-up to RF/1B/2B is bad. 1st pitch line-out to RCF gap is good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sox-r-us Posted July 8, 2004 Author Share Posted July 8, 2004 the difference is konerko goes up to home plate with some kind of a plan...and after going down in the count 0-2 he shortened his swing and just tried to dump the ball into RF...carlos with the bases loaded swings from his heels regaurdless of the count...does anyone here deny that lee is not a very smart ballplayer??.. im not the biggest paulie fan either but over the years konerko has atleast develop some sense of situational hitting..so i dont bash on him anymore...mainly he is doing a much better job of going to RF this year than he did last year... when carlos was on his hitting streak where he didnt hit any homers he probably played the best stretch of baseball he ever played for us...i wish he would stick with that mentality..short swing - hit the ball where its pitched..including into RF...if carlos would do that id never bash him again. I have seen a lot of Paulie DPs and non-clutch hits to last a lifetime Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queen Prawn Posted July 8, 2004 Share Posted July 8, 2004 I have seen a lot of Paulie DPs and non-clutch hits to last a lifetime The guy goes 4-5 w/ 2 rbis (one of the 4 being a double) and you are whining about him?! :banghead Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted July 8, 2004 Share Posted July 8, 2004 I swear that if this was the message board of the 1927 Yankees, someone would be b****ing that Babe Ruth doesn't steal enough bases. :headshake Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Honda Civic Posted July 8, 2004 Share Posted July 8, 2004 The guy goes 4-5 w/ 2 rbis (one of the 4 being a double) and you are whining about him?! :banghead Not only that but we're whining about an AB, where he swung at the first pitch... He fouled off that pitch... got down 0-2, then gets a hit... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted July 8, 2004 Share Posted July 8, 2004 the difference is konerko goes up to home plate with some kind of a plan... "Please Lord.. please let me make contact with the ball......" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted July 9, 2004 Share Posted July 9, 2004 "Please Lord.. please let me make contact with the ball......" Whatever works! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Critic Posted July 9, 2004 Share Posted July 9, 2004 I swear that if this was the message board of the 1927 Yankees, someone would be b****ing that Babe Ruth doesn't steal enough bases. :headshake YEAH, I always hated that slow fatass! ...of course, I heard that Ruth had a bad hip... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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