Wedge Posted July 9, 2004 Share Posted July 9, 2004 I heard today on Mike & Mike that RJ has decided he would waive his no-trade clause to be traded to a contender (the report named the Yankees). This seems weird considering some other reports that have sprung up, but apparently Randy has changed his mind. Brando, consider me on your "get RJ" bandwagon! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goldmember Posted July 9, 2004 Share Posted July 9, 2004 i'm jumping aboard... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aboz56 Posted July 9, 2004 Share Posted July 9, 2004 No more of this, he isn't coming to Chicago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Critic Posted July 9, 2004 Share Posted July 9, 2004 What IS it with Brando and guys named Randy/Randall? First it was Randall Simon ( who I always refer to as Brando Simon now, for my own entertainment ) and now Randy Johnson. Next it'll be Randy Winn.....then lure Randy Myers out of retirement....maybe Randy Hundley?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 9, 2004 Share Posted July 9, 2004 You can bet if The Unit is interested in moving, KW is burning the phonelines to Coangelo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wedge Posted July 9, 2004 Author Share Posted July 9, 2004 You can bet if The Unit is interested in moving, KW is burning the phonelines to Coangelo. agreed. He'll be in on whatever. I'm sure he'd be willing to outbid the Yankees if he can. Also, anybody see Guardado give up the game last night? I'm cooling off a little bit on him... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted July 9, 2004 Share Posted July 9, 2004 Clemens on the block, also... Hell.. let's go get both of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wedge Posted July 9, 2004 Author Share Posted July 9, 2004 Clemens on the block, also... is he really? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted July 9, 2004 Share Posted July 9, 2004 Clemens on the block, also... Hell.. let's go get both of them. Hey ... I thought of that possibility and was talking to a coworker about it just a couple of hours ago. However, if I we're Clemens, I'd ask to be traded to Boston. If he comes in there, with Pedro and Schilling, and those 3 can break the curse of the Bambino, he'd be a GOD in New England. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kapkomet Posted July 9, 2004 Share Posted July 9, 2004 ok... Clemens ain't goin' NOWHERE. He's in Houston because it's home. As far as RJ, they'd have to absolutely sell the soul of this franchise to land him. Worth it? Think how much y'all b****ed about Olivo leaving - and RJ's value is WAAAAAAAAAY higher then that. I just can't see it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted July 9, 2004 Share Posted July 9, 2004 ok... Clemens ain't goin' NOWHERE. He's in Houston because it's home. As far as RJ, they'd have to absolutely sell the soul of this franchise to land him. Worth it? Think how much y'all b****ed about Olivo leaving - and RJ's value is WAAAAAAAAAY higher then that. I just can't see it. I wouldn't be shocked if Clemens ended up in the AL before the season is over. It would be for only 2 months, then he could re-sign with Astros next year if he so chooses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 9, 2004 Share Posted July 9, 2004 ok... Clemens ain't goin' NOWHERE. He's in Houston because it's home. As far as RJ, they'd have to absolutely sell the soul of this franchise to land him. Worth it? Think how much y'all b****ed about Olivo leaving - and RJ's value is WAAAAAAAAAY higher then that. I just can't see it. There are a some things that bring down RJs value. #1 he is 41. #2 his contract is HUGE. It is twice as big as Garcia's. #3 we know there is ZERO chance that Johnson is here past 2005. #4 bringing Johnson in, means we will most likely have to move other payroll. #5 if we do get AZ to pick up some $, we will lose bigger players in this deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wedge Posted July 9, 2004 Author Share Posted July 9, 2004 Hey ... I thought of that possibility and was talking to a coworker about it just a couple of hours ago. However, if I we're Clemens, I'd ask to be traded to Boston. If he comes in there, with Pedro and Schilling, and those 3 can break the curse of the Bambino, he'd be a GOD in New England. Remember the thread I started a few weeks ago.... click here Guess I'm feeling maybe a little bit smarter (but not too much!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted July 9, 2004 Share Posted July 9, 2004 Clemens on the block, also... Hell.. let's go get both of them. Article here bout Clemens and Randy Johnson, NY Daily News Article Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 9, 2004 Share Posted July 9, 2004 There's been a lot of speculation that Randy wouldn't want to leave his home and pitch for an East Coast team that trains in Florida (in the spring)," another source told The News last night. "That's not true. At this point, his sole purpose for pitching is to be with a team with a chance to win. And even though the Diamondbacks are his home, they can't provide that." Hmmm how about a Midwest team that shares a spring facility with AZ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beck72 Posted July 9, 2004 Share Posted July 9, 2004 With Frank's status up in the air, and the bullpen in need of an arm, the Sox don't have the players and the cash it would take to get RJ. The Sox could fill multiple holes with what it would take to get RJ. Not to mention Maggs would be gone next year as well, as RJ's contract would be $17 mill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wedge Posted July 9, 2004 Author Share Posted July 9, 2004 I think the only way the Yankees get Johnson is either 1) Johnson will only waive his clause for the Yankees or 2) nobody else makes an offer for him. There's too many contenders with more prospects to offer for Johnson than the Yankees. We're one of those teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kapkomet Posted July 9, 2004 Share Posted July 9, 2004 Pretty soon, though, we are going to be just like the Yankmee$, all vets and NO prospects. Makes it hard to pull deals later, doesn't it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wedge Posted July 9, 2004 Author Share Posted July 9, 2004 Pretty soon, though, we are going to be just like the Yankmee$, all vets and NO prospects. Makes it hard to pull deals later, doesn't it? Maybe. But if we landed Johnson, we could just rent him for this year and cash him into prospects for next season, depending on the outlook. Johnson's value now and during the offseason, barring injury, should be about the same. Ideally, we could get good value back for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted July 9, 2004 Share Posted July 9, 2004 Article here bout Clemens and Randy Johnson, NY Daily News Article DBAHO, can you post the article for some reason I can't get into that link. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wedge Posted July 9, 2004 Author Share Posted July 9, 2004 Unit contends he'd prefer trade to Yanks By BILL MADDEN DAILY NEWS SPORTS WRITER Randy Johnson tells D-Backs he's open to trade to contender. Very quietly, Randy Johnson has told the Arizona Diamondbacks that he would waive his no-trade clause in order to pitch out his final years for a contender, most preferably the Yankees, the Daily News has learned. And apparently, it is becoming a similar case with another 40-year-old future Hall of Famer - Roger Clemens - in Houston. "When Randy got his 4,000th strikeout the other night and still came up a 3-2 loser, it was a very frustrating experience for him, and that's what convinced him that maybe he should look toward going to a contender," a source familiar with Johnson's thinking told the Daily News last night. "It's the same thing with Clemens, who's pitching for a team that's going nowhere. Why do you think these two guys are pitching? Neither of them has anything to prove. They're going to the Hall of Fame. They don't need the money. At this point in their careers, all they want to do is to win, and in the case of both of them, the Yankees are their team of preference because they represent the best chance of going to the World Series for them." This is the good news for the Yankees. The bad news is neither Arizona general partner Jerry Colangelo nor Astros owner Drayton McLane has revealed a willingness to trade his marquee pitcher, and neither of them has any great affection for George Steinbrenner. Perhaps further thwarting the Yankees' efforts to land either Johnson or Clemens is the fact that other potential big-market suitors - the Angels, Cubs and Dodgers - have considerably more quality prospects for trade purposes than the Yankees do. Johnson, who is 10-6 with a 2.90 ERA, is owed another $24million for the remainder of this year and next, which is one advantage for the Yankees, who have unlimited financial resources when it comes to these sorts of trading-deadline deals. According to a report in the Providence Journal quoting unnamed sources, Johnson has said that he would be willing to go to an East Coast team, but that the Yankees would be far more preferable to him than the Red Sox. The quiet, introverted Johnson and outspoken Red Sox righthander Curt Schilling were never especially close during their time together as the twin aces of the Diamondbacks rotation that was largely responsible for beating the Yankees in the 2001 World Series. "There's been a lot of speculation that Randy wouldn't want to leave his home and pitch for an East Coast team that trains in Florida (in the spring)," another source told The News last night. "That's not true. At this point, his sole purpose for pitching is to be with a team with a chance to win. And even though the Diamondbacks are his home, they can't provide that." The Yankees, who are already under scrutiny from commissioner Bud Selig over potential tampering charges regarding Johnson after Steinbrenner talked openly about him last week, were seemingly caught off-guard by this latest development. "This is the first we've heard of anything like this," a high-ranking Yankee official said. "We don't know anything about it." Both Johnson and Clemens thought they were going to happily end their careers pitching at home. But both the Diamondbacks and Astros have become non-contenders, even before the All-Star break. Johnson's Diamondbacks are in last place in the NL West, while Clemens' Astros are fifth in the Central, even after their much-ballyhooed acquisition of superstar center fielder Carlos Beltran last month. The Yankees have made no secret of their interest in Johnson. Their recent rotation woes would indicate their need to acquire a quality frontline starter, and Clemens - who is likely to start the All-Star Game - would certainly fit that bill as well. Furthermore, his decision to unretire and pitch for his hometown Astros, along with fellow ex-Yankee Andy Pettitte, did not cause any ill will with Steinbrenner. One potential factor in the Yankees' favor is the fact that the Diamondbacks, who are strapped with considerable financial problems from long-term contracts, need to trade Johnson despite Colangelo's statements to the contrary. Originally published on July 9, 2004 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted July 9, 2004 Share Posted July 9, 2004 Pretty soon, though, we are going to be just like the Yankmee$, all vets and NO prospects. Makes it hard to pull deals later, doesn't it? I disagree with that. The sox have a lot of talent and depth in the lower minor leagues. Because of the very good drafts the sox keep having their is going to be plenty of talent to trade or to play for the white sox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wedge Posted July 9, 2004 Author Share Posted July 9, 2004 I disagree with that. The sox have a lot of talent and depth in the lower minor leagues. Because of the very good drafts the sox keep having their is going to be plenty of talent to trade or to play for the white sox. Exactly. The Yankees haven't exactly been drafting well lately. Of all the bally-hooed prospects they've traded away for big players, how many have worked out? The only one that comes to mind is Mike Lowell. Was one of the Boones traded away by the Yankees, too? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kapkomet Posted July 9, 2004 Share Posted July 9, 2004 But how many times can you tap the well? And how many "prospects" have made it lately? Not disagreeing 100% with what you say, but you've got to grow from within, too, and I don't want to see them trade everything high level to hope to find a diamond in the rough later, that is lightning striking in a bottle type of thing... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wedge Posted July 9, 2004 Author Share Posted July 9, 2004 And how many "prospects" have made it lately? Let's see. Since 2000 I'd say: Buehrle Willie Harris Joe Crede Adkins Marte Cotts Olivo Rowand Garland (?) Rauch and Diaz are showing signs of being solid starting pitchers. I mean, guys do emerge. Crede, Buehrle, Rauch, and Rowand are really the guys that came up through our system. The other 7 we got in trades. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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