greasywheels121 Posted July 10, 2004 Share Posted July 10, 2004 --According to pitching coach Don Cooper, when the Sox return from the All-Star Break, the tentative pitching rotation for the Oakland series will be Jon Garland, Mark Buehrle, Freddy Garcia and then Esteban Loaiza. There is a reason that Cooper has it set that way, however. If everything stays on schedule, when the White Sox face Central Division rival Minnesota on July 26-28 at U.S. Cellular Field, it will be the "big three," as Cooper called it, of Buehrle, Garcia and Loaiza against the Twins. "It worked out pretty good with matchups," Cooper said. "We certainly look ahead to Minnesota, but at the same time we've got so many games before we play them that are equally as important. The way it sets up against them right now, though, is Buehrle, Freddy and Loaiza." --There were very few surprised with the announcement that New York Yankees OF Hideki Matsui had beat out both Sox players Paul Konerko and Frank Thomas in the on-line fan voting for the final spot on the American League All-Star Team, with Konerko being the least surprised. "Anytime you are going up against a Yankee and a Japanese player who has a lot of support around the world ... I wasn't hanging my hopes on it," Konerko said. "If I actually won the thing, it would be like the 1980 U.S. Hockey Olympics thing." --RHP Jon Rauch was being kept in the bullpen as a reward for his solid start against Cleveland back on June 24, but following Tuesday's loss to Anaheim, the Sox decided to get Rauch down to the minor leagues again. The decision was made for two reasons, with the main one being so the White Sox could activate LHP Scott Schoeneweis for his start on Wednesday. The other was to get Rauch some innings. He hadn't pitched since that start against the Indians. --GM Ken Williams said that acquiring RHP Freddy Garcia wasn't the only trade he was looking to get done. But he doesn't expect anything more to happen until the trade deadline draws near on July 31. "I just don't see that happening," Williams said. "I have the utmost confidence in everyone we have out there. They are going to fight for you every day, so put your faith in them. If something materializes and we can take another step forward, we will make the deal and not look back. There are certainly enough reasons to go out and still do due diligence and see what's out there and see what the landscape is like." --INF Juan Uribe sat two games, but not because of his recent hitting slump. Manager Ozzie Guillen wanted to give Uribe a rest, as well as give Willie Harris consecutive starts to get some at-bats and try and get out of his hitting rut. BY THE NUMBERS 2 -- The biggest lead the White Sox had had in the Central Division this season entering the week. QUOTE TO NOTE: "I don't care about Magglio right here. I worry about 25 guys on the team. You know one thing is we spent a lot of time throwing batting practice to him last week and then he disappeared. So we aren't going to do that again. When you're on the (disabled list), you do whatever you want to do. We don't care where he is. I'm just saying, 'Don't be using my coaches, all of a sudden you disappear. You don't care about my coaching staff, we're not going to care about anyone.'" -- White Sox manager Ozzie Guillen on injured RF Magglio Ordonez not being with the team last week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted July 10, 2004 Share Posted July 10, 2004 To me the big 3 is Garcia, Buehrle, Garland and not esteban. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Honda Civic Posted July 10, 2004 Share Posted July 10, 2004 --According to pitching coach Don Cooper, when the Sox return from the All-Star Break, the tentative pitching rotation for the Oakland series will be Jon Garland, Mark Buehrle, Freddy Garcia and then Esteban Loaiza. There is a reason that Cooper has it set that way, however. If everything stays on schedule, when the White Sox face Central Division rival Minnesota on July 26-28 at U.S. Cellular Field, it will be the "big three," as Cooper called it, of Buehrle, Garcia and Loaiza against the Twins I'd rather have garland facing the Twins than Loaiza... Loaiza hasn't shown any abilty to get guys out this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted July 10, 2004 Share Posted July 10, 2004 To me the big 3 is Garcia, Buehrle, Garland and not esteban. The same thought crossed my mind. It's like Garland and Loaiza have switched roles. I know I'm more confident when Garland is pitching. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmmmmbeeer Posted July 10, 2004 Share Posted July 10, 2004 I'm with you guys. As many times as we've all said it before, I really think that Garland is starting to turn into the pitcher we'd all been told he could be. He's looked very impressive his last few outings, minus a couple of horrible innings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dasox24 Posted July 10, 2004 Share Posted July 10, 2004 To me the big 3 is Garcia, Buehrle, Garland and not esteban. Agreed. Jon's been hands down better than Esteban for the last month or so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wise Master Buehrle Posted July 10, 2004 Share Posted July 10, 2004 I'm with you guys. As many times as we've all said it before, I really think that Garland is starting to turn into the pitcher we'd all been told he could be. He's looked very impressive his last few outings, minus a couple of horrible innings. How many times have we thought this the past 2 years? Jon needs to finish the season strong to be considered "breaking out". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted July 10, 2004 Share Posted July 10, 2004 How many times have we thought this the past 2 years? Jon needs to finish the season strong to be considered "breaking out". It's based on observations of situational things. Areas where you could almost always count on Garland to implode, he appears to be getting better at getting through them. He's also beginning to stretch out his appearance beyond the 5th or 6th inning more consistantly. What you are seeing, I believe, is the gradual maturation of JG into a legitimate major league starting pitcher. He'll still have his bumps in the road, but he is beginning to acquire the intestinal fortitude that has been lacking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Honda Civic Posted July 10, 2004 Share Posted July 10, 2004 Jon Garlands last two starts have been better than the Two Freddy Garcia starts in a WS uni... In fact both of freddy's starts he's been more Judy than Jon has, and nobody's given him a derogatory nickname yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted July 10, 2004 Share Posted July 10, 2004 Jon Garlands last two starts have been better than the Two Freddy Garcia starts in a WS uni... In fact both of freddy's starts he's been more Judy than Jon has, and nobody's given him a derogatory nickname yet. Garland's last start was against the struggling Seattle Mariners who can't swing a bat. Freddy's two starts so far have been against good offences in Minny and Anaheim, let's see how Freddy does against Seattle this weekend before we make a better judgement on him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wise Master Buehrle Posted July 10, 2004 Share Posted July 10, 2004 Jon Garlands last two starts have been better than the Two Freddy Garcia starts in a WS uni... In fact both of freddy's starts he's been more Judy than Jon has, and nobody's given him a derogatory nickname yet. Both of Freddy's starts have only been 4 ER, and those both tie his season high. Going Judy is definately giving up more. Garcia's starts haven't been stellar, but they by no means have been Judy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobDylan Posted July 10, 2004 Share Posted July 10, 2004 I'm with you guys. As many times as we've all said it before, I really think that Garland is starting to turn into the pitcher we'd all been told he could be. He's looked very impressive his last few outings, minus a couple of horrible innings. He's up and down. Always has been. In 1 or 2 more starts he'll probably get shellacked for 2 games, then throw 2 gems. That's how he does it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beck72 Posted July 10, 2004 Share Posted July 10, 2004 How many times have we thought this the past 2 years? Jon needs to finish the season strong to be considered "breaking out". Garland finished 2003 strong, with a little over 3.00 ERA in his last 20 starts. Jon is throwing the ball nice and easy, hitting his spots. Maybe that is part of the problem with him. Because when he's on he makes getting outs look so easy. People expect SP's to light up the radar gun, and get 10 K's a game. That's not Jon's game. He has better success when he's getting GB's and pop ups. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
upnorthsox Posted July 10, 2004 Share Posted July 10, 2004 Gar's problem is the long ball this yr, he's 6-1 when he doesn't give up a HR(the one loss was a 1-0 loss to Balt) and 1-4 when he does(last night was his first win while giving up a HR). If he can cut those down, along with the walks before, he's going to have a big 2nd half. Btw most of his HR's given up(9 of 14) have been at home. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loaiza21 Posted July 10, 2004 Share Posted July 10, 2004 But guys Loaiza's an all-star rolleyeyes.gif Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
He_Gawn Posted July 10, 2004 Share Posted July 10, 2004 Yea, Jon has really stepped it up lately when we needed him to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loaiza21 Posted July 10, 2004 Share Posted July 10, 2004 JG's been fantastic. He just gets shelled time to time . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSGuy406 Posted July 10, 2004 Share Posted July 10, 2004 I agree with everything said. Garland is definitely the number 3 right now until Loaiza proves differently. In fact, Garland's 4.41 ERA is inflated due to the fact that he was 'left out to dry' in some of those starts (i.e. Philly start, 10 ERs IIRC). We all know this, it's all mental with Jon. BTW - I've been meaning to ask this. Is anyone else noticing that Jon is beginning to show a lot more confidence in his curveball than any time before? He's starting to throw that pitch for strikes on both halves of the plate. Very, very good, especially with a sinker/two-seamer like his. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Lopez Ghost (old) Posted July 10, 2004 Share Posted July 10, 2004 I agree with everything said. Garland is definitely the number 3 right now until Loaiza proves differently. In fact, Garland's 4.41 ERA is inflated due to the fact that he was 'left out to dry' in some of those starts (i.e. Philly start, 10 ERs IIRC). We all know this, it's all mental with Jon. BTW - I've been meaning to ask this. Is anyone else noticing that Jon is beginning to show a lot more confidence in his curveball than any time before? He's starting to throw that pitch for strikes on both halves of the plate. Very, very good, especially with a sinker/two-seamer like his. The changeup too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngelasDaddy0427 Posted July 10, 2004 Share Posted July 10, 2004 I have to disagree... E Lo really wasn't all that bad until he ran up against some of the better offensive teams around. I expect E Lo to feast on these scrub teams and then come up huge down the stretch in the playoff's. I think E Lo will be more then solid, It's Shoey i'm really worried about... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSGuy406 Posted July 10, 2004 Share Posted July 10, 2004 I have to disagree... E Lo really wasn't all that bad until he ran up against some of the better offensive teams around. I expect E Lo to feast on these scrub teams and then come up huge down the stretch in the playoff's. I think E Lo will be more then solid, It's Shoey i'm really worried about... If Loaiza wants to be considered our number 3, he needs to be able to show some signs of being able to take on a good offensive team. Garland has already shown his flashes, taking down Minny last weekend. Plus - we all know it's all mental with Jon, as opposed to Loaiza, we don't know if he is going to regain that three-four MPH that he's lost on his fastball/cutter. Frankly, I don't know about Loaiza. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted July 10, 2004 Share Posted July 10, 2004 We won't need more than 3 starters for the playoffs, for the most part. Shoney will start a game unless someone gets hurt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Honda Civic Posted July 10, 2004 Share Posted July 10, 2004 If Loaiza wants to be considered our number 3, he needs to be able to show some signs of being able to take on a good offensive team. Garland has already shown his flashes, taking down Minny last weekend. Plus - we all know it's all mental with Jon, as opposed to Loaiza, we don't know if he is going to regain that three-four MPH that he's lost on his fastball/cutter. Frankly, I don't know about Loaiza. If you take away Loaiza's two starts where he feasted on the D-Rays, His ERA is terrible...(5.33) Meanwhile Garland has a 2.40 ERA in 2 starts vs. the Yanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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