hammerhead johnson Posted July 12, 2004 Share Posted July 12, 2004 The gong ain't nearly enough to satisfy me. They need to sample Mr. Miyagi in Karate Kid Part 1 when he's all s***faced and hollering "Banzai!!!!!!!" I want to hear "Banzai!!!!!!!!!!" immediately after the gong. Or beforehand. Whatever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Gleason Posted July 12, 2004 Share Posted July 12, 2004 The gong ain't nearly enough to satisfy me. They need to sample Mr. Miyagi in Karate Kid Part 1 when he's all s***faced and hollering "Banzai!!!!!!!" I want to hear "Banzai!!!!!!!!!!" immediately after the gong. Or beforehand. Whatever. LOL!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Gleason Posted July 12, 2004 Share Posted July 12, 2004 I have to say that you're the first person I've EVER seen to name Marc Bolan as an influence. Even back in the 70s T-Rex was sort of in that B-list of rock icons, usually lumped in with bands like Starz and Sweet on that "next level" underneath the giants of the time. Can't say I was ever that big a fan of his, but I was BIG into The Sweet. My friends gave me a LOT of s*** about that, since my main interest was punk ( Pistols, Dead Kennedys, Dead Boys, Ramones ) and hard rock/metal ( Thin Lizzy, Aerosmith, Kiss, etc ). So the Sweet was NOT accepted amongst the punkers or the rockers Well, I fell out of the Punk and Glam world. Not Glam as in Poison, but Glam as in the true stuff, and mostly the UK stuff. But yes, Bolan was a HUGE thing to me. Still is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Funkman7 Posted July 12, 2004 Share Posted July 12, 2004 To me, it saddens me to read this thread and see how far asians as well as asian-americans (yes, they ARE different) have to go in this society. I'm sorry, but Asians do take a lot of stereotypical crap from american society. All one has to do is take a look at television and realize that asians are hardly portrayed in any type of role on there. Not only that, but if they do have a role it is in some sort of zen mode, a martial arts mode, or they are a doctor or engineer of some sort. How about those credit card commercials that portray an asian couple speaking in their own language about a customer in their store? Of course, because asians are sneaky. Just take a look at Jay Leno and his monologue... I have seen many times where he cracks a joke about how asian people love to eat dog. Why is that funny? Because it's wrong? There's nothing wrong with eating dog. What, just because we have them as pets here? In some cultures the cow or pig is seen as a type of diety, yet we have no problem eating them here in our culture. Is it wrong for us to eat beef or pork? At least black people have a voice in this country. Asian people as a whole can't even get heard for one sentence unless it helps perpetuate common stereotypes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wedge Posted July 12, 2004 Share Posted July 12, 2004 How about those credit card commercials that portray an asian couple speaking in their own language about a customer in their store? Of course, because asians are sneaky. I'd say that's a pretty common occurrence where a couple of people starts talking in their own language about other people. I know Spanish and I was cracking up this one time when this hispanic couple in front of me in the check-out was talking about people at the store and ripping on them. I don't think it's a rip on Asians; it's just a somewhat common occurence to see people speaking in their own language, probably about other people, and it's a play on that sort of experience that is common to a lot of Americans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goober Posted July 12, 2004 Share Posted July 12, 2004 I have seen many times where he cracks a joke about how asian people love to eat dog. Why is that funny? Because it's wrong? There's nothing wrong with eating dog. What, just because we have them as pets here? In some cultures the cow or pig is seen as a type of diety, yet we have no problem eating them here in our culture. Is it wrong for us to eat beef or pork? maybe they laugh at us for eating cow. so we both laugh at each other. no problems Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish Posted July 12, 2004 Share Posted July 12, 2004 Don't you think the gong after every out is a little overboard. Maybe a little politically incorrect??? If he and the erst of the japanesse nation don't give as*** then why would we make a big deal out of it? This whole statement reminds me of the people trying to get rid of Chief Illiniwek. It was hard to find one native american who had a problem with it, but since everyone else finds it to be politically incorrect then it should be banned. Give me a break! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish Posted July 12, 2004 Share Posted July 12, 2004 To me, it saddens me to read this thread and see how far asians as well as asian-americans (yes, they ARE different) have to go in this society. I'm sorry, but Asians do take a lot of stereotypical crap from american society. All one has to do is take a look at television and realize that asians are hardly portrayed in any type of role on there. Not only that, but if they do have a role it is in some sort of zen mode, a martial arts mode, or they are a doctor or engineer of some sort. How about those credit card commercials that portray an asian couple speaking in their own language about a customer in their store? Of course, because asians are sneaky. Just take a look at Jay Leno and his monologue... I have seen many times where he cracks a joke about how asian people love to eat dog. Why is that funny? Because it's wrong? There's nothing wrong with eating dog. What, just because we have them as pets here? In some cultures the cow or pig is seen as a type of diety, yet we have no problem eating them here in our culture. Is it wrong for us to eat beef or pork? At least black people have a voice in this country. Asian people as a whole can't even get heard for one sentence unless it helps perpetuate common stereotypes. Are you kidding me? So do Irish with the leprachaun s***. The Italians with the whole mob/mafia s***. The Germans with the Hitler crap. Give me a freaking break. Every ethnic group has something that is over exagerated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkokieSox Posted July 12, 2004 Share Posted July 12, 2004 Don't you think the gong after every out is a little overboard. Maybe a little politically incorrect??? He said in the Tribune that he likes it. It pumps him up he says, so I don't see a problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish Posted July 12, 2004 Share Posted July 12, 2004 As I said, it adds a bit of an "O.K." to it with Shingo's approval, but it still is not all that right or correct. You can't even make a comparison about the music really. The player approves a song. If I was going to walk out there, I would O.K. a song I liked, and Shingo did approve of a song that goes before the gong. A gong strike is NOT a song, and it is something that was always used in movies or radio in the past to signify whenever the silly Asian came on screen. Back in the days of the "silly scared black man". The only difference is that we can still be given the gong in this day and age. I just find it wrong. I won't campaign against it, I just think it is wrong and I do find it sad how we in this country can be so damned aware of racism to one race, but ignore it to another one. Racism against the Asians still runs wild, and nobody ever says a dang thing about it. Do you really think that anybody would pay attention to a guy named O'Malley? I think they would pay attention to a guy named O'Malley if he was doing the job Shingo has been. This is far from racism. Have you ever seen Dave Chapelle's show? He does many things on there that are funny about white/asian/blacks. It doesn't matter. When did this country become a bunch of pussies? When did we become so stiff that we have to watch every little thing we say. A day last week two women were talking in the hallway at the office. The one lady says that she was scared because she was driving past the projects late at night. And the other lady says "Oh yeah it is really dark over there." A black guy came out of the office and called the lady a racist for what she said. "DARK over there" That is f***ed up! This is what this country is becoming. Get your head out of your ass people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Funkman7 Posted July 13, 2004 Share Posted July 13, 2004 Are you kidding me? So do Irish with the leprachaun s***. The Italians with the whole mob/mafia s***. The Germans with the Hitler crap. Give me a freaking break. Every ethnic group has something that is over exagerated. I doubt I would ever change your mind. But you have to keep in mind that you ARE Irish, and are therefore part of the white majority in this country. So while you may have to experience stereotypes, I doubt you are singled out in society in general. I suppose this kind of awareness will only come with time and some day people will see how the asian population's voice was largely ignored in 2004. Think about it, if asians are rarely heard on tv or in the movies or even in music, there are very few opportunities to be represented with a public face. Whenever asians are represented in the public eye, they have to have some sort of "asian" stereotype tagged along with them. In this case, the gong has followed Takatsu. In entertainment, it's the typical asian roles, Korean corner store owner, Japanese martial artist, Chinese engineer, etc. Sure, Irish people have certain stereotypes attached with them, as does every other culture, however, whenever an Irish person gets a role on tv or in the movies, their Irish culture does not ALWAYS have to be reflected in their role. Ask yourself this, when was the last time you saw an asian male on tv that had a role having nothing to do with his culture? Where he was just a detective? Or a judge? Or a politician? Ask yourself this, how many asian politicians are there in Washington D.C.? Now ask yourself, how many roles on television and in the movies do people of Irish descent get in Hollywood? Is their Irish culture brought up during their role as the main character? Was Colin Farrell's Irish background mentioned or implied in some manner when he was portraying the main character in the movie Phonebooth? Now how many people of irish descent are in politics? Sure, there are Asian females on television, and in the movies, but let's face it, it's just to ogle the women of the culture and nothing else. Count how many times you have seen a white guy or a black guy dating an asian woman ANYWHERE. Not just in Hollywood. Now count how many times you've seen an asian male portrayed on television dating a person of another race? Is there nothing wrong with that picture? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Funkman7 Posted July 13, 2004 Share Posted July 13, 2004 As an example of the lack of diversity on televisiont these days, there are a few shows set in Hawaii, a state with HEAVY asian populations. Two of those shows are North Shore and Hawaii, yet where are all the asians? Too few, and too far between. Also, whatever happened to that asian guy that won the American Idol copycat show on NBC? Last I heard, it has been a year, and he has come out and said he has yet to see any of the winnings or publicity from the record company at all. In fact, he has yet to have access to a recording studio! This is a man who was voted by the American public to have been the most talented on the show! I forget his name, if someone could remind me of the show and the winner's name, I'd appreciate it. However, according to statements he has put out, to paraphrase, he doesn't harbor any more ill will towards the lack of effort from the record company to even get an album started, he just wants to fight to get his name out from underneath the contract of that label. A year later? Unbelievable. There's a reason I don't know his name or the name of that NBC show. It has received no pub. Odd. Yet.. we have William Hung. While he is not Asian American, he is still Asian... and he is popular as all hell. It has come to a point where he has become a household name. Why is William Hung all over the media and the other unknown, talented asian entertainer isn't? It's a question we should ask ourselves as an American society. Perhaps William Hung perpetuates the stereotypes we are comfortable with as a society. William Hung is a dorky asian with bad teeth who doesn't speak great english and goes to a prestigious school at Berkley but hey... he works hard and he perseveres! Ah now that's the asian person I'm used to seeing! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted July 13, 2004 Share Posted July 13, 2004 Did anyone consider, even remotely, that Shingo might have REQUESTED the gong because he is proud of his heritage and wants it to be represented when he makes an appearance? I'm so sick of all this "politically correct" crap. It's running this country into the ground. There is a need for it to a certain extent (ex: Chief Wahoo) but if people would just have more of a sense of humor and take things as they are intended, then we'd be a whole helluva lot better off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Honda Civic Posted July 13, 2004 Share Posted July 13, 2004 Ask yourself this, when was the last time you saw an asian male on tv that had a role having nothing to do with his culture? Where he was just a detective? Or a judge? Or a politician? I only watch one show that's not sports related, Law and Order. Dr. Wong. He's the chief phycologist. He's in almost every episode of SVU, and a lot of the other ones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Funkman7 Posted July 13, 2004 Share Posted July 13, 2004 It's been reported that Shingo APPROVED it, meaning the idea was not his to begin with. As other posters have noted before me, Shingo might have approved without being aware of the past and present representation of Asians in American culture. Remember the Asian landlord in Breakfast at Tiffany's? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Honda Civic Posted July 13, 2004 Share Posted July 13, 2004 Hey funkyman -- Lighten up.. An Asian man walked into the currency exchange in New York with 2000 yen and walked out with $72. The following week, he walked in with 2000 yen and was handed $66. He asked the teller why he got less money than he had gotten the previous week. The lady answers, "Fluctuations." The Asian man stormed out, and just before slamming the door, he turned around and said "Fluc you Amelicans too!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Funkman7 Posted July 13, 2004 Share Posted July 13, 2004 I only watch one show that's not sports related, Law and Order. Dr. Wong. He's the chief phycologist. He's in almost every episode of SVU, and a lot of the other ones. Dr. Wong is.. a doctor. Asians are doctors, engineers, math whizzes, martial artists, etc. I'm looking for a role that doesn't fit the stereotypical asian role. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Honda Civic Posted July 13, 2004 Share Posted July 13, 2004 Dr. Wong is.. a doctor. Asians are doctors, engineers, math whizzes, martial artists, etc. I'm looking for a role that doesn't fit the stereotypical asian role. Like on Iron Chef. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Funkman7 Posted July 13, 2004 Share Posted July 13, 2004 Iron Chef is a Japanese show, not an American one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Honda Civic Posted July 13, 2004 Share Posted July 13, 2004 confusious say: Baseball all wrong. Man with four balls can't walk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted July 13, 2004 Share Posted July 13, 2004 Dr. Wong is.. a doctor. Asians are doctors, engineers, math whizzes, martial artists, etc. I'm looking for a role that doesn't fit the stereotypical asian role. Stereotyping Asians as masters of emotions and having outstanding intelligence is so degrading. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammerhead johnson Posted July 13, 2004 Share Posted July 13, 2004 Can I write check? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Funkman7 Posted July 13, 2004 Share Posted July 13, 2004 Stereotyping Asians as masters of emotions and having outstanding intelligence is so degrading. Stereotypes negative and positive should not be perpetuated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted July 13, 2004 Share Posted July 13, 2004 Stereotypes negative and positive should not be perpetuated. To each his own. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Controlled Chaos Posted July 13, 2004 Share Posted July 13, 2004 Stereotypes negative and positive should not be perpetuated. Funkman are you a good driver? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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