Chisoxfn Posted July 14, 2004 Share Posted July 14, 2004 He'll be a wait and see. He's now the Mariner's shortstop of the future though. As for McPherson, he pulled an amazing feat quite recently: he pulled an 0-fer with 6 strikeouts in one game. Would one call that a chrome sombrero? That man deserves one of those fancy nascar cameras Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerbaho-WG Posted July 14, 2004 Share Posted July 14, 2004 That man deserves one of those fancy nascar cameras Bill Elliot or Kevin Harvick? lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted July 14, 2004 Share Posted July 14, 2004 Bill Elliot or Kevin Harvick? lol Gotta go with Elliot, Harwick is more deserving to someone that k's 7 times in a game Or get him some of those beautifully developed Walgreens photos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dasox24 Posted July 14, 2004 Share Posted July 14, 2004 All of those guys you listed are not top flight prospects. Any St. Louis prospect is disqualified because they probably have the worst farm system behind Montreal. Just b/c their farm system sucks as a whole, that doesn't mean that those players suck. I've seen these guys play in person many times, and they've really impressed me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Honda Civic Posted July 15, 2004 Share Posted July 15, 2004 Just one guys opinion, but it reinforces some opinions here. http://www.all-baseball.com/nextyear/archi..._07.html#014334 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted July 15, 2004 Share Posted July 15, 2004 Tim Stauffer wouldn't be a bad pick. He's in AAA now if I recall and while he probably won't play this year, their is a good shot he's up next year. Also, Andy Marte, I can't say that enough, the guy can flat rake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerbaho-WG Posted July 15, 2004 Share Posted July 15, 2004 Just b/c their farm system sucks as a whole, that doesn't mean that those players suck. I've seen these guys play in person many times, and they've really impressed me. Players represent a farm system, so obviously those are where rankings come from. Outside of Barton, the Cardinals have a whole lot of nothing in their farm system. Thompson has been pitching way over his head, Gall is 26 and repeating the PCL. Even though Gall is raking in the PCL, that's nothing to write home about considering the PCL is one of the most hitter friendly leagues out there. The only other good prospect the Cardinals have is Hawksworth who has made a grand total of 2 starts this year. Haren isn't even a rookie anymore due to the fact that he pitched 50+ innings last year for StL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dasox24 Posted July 15, 2004 Share Posted July 15, 2004 Just one guys opinion, but it reinforces some opinions here. http://www.all-baseball.com/nextyear/archi..._07.html#014334 I like that guy's opinions. He's got 10 of the 15 players I listed in his Top 70, and I tried to list players other people hadn't mentioned already, although I did re-list a few b/c of the importance I felt they had on being "top" prospects. Anway, here are some of my own comments on guys on guys that this guy didn't mention: Nick Swisher- .258, 16 hr, 54 rbi, 18 2b, 80 bb, 64 k, .428 obp- This guy is exactly what Oakland loves, and therefore, is a top prospect, and will be a very good major leaguer, imo. John Gall- .320, 20 hr, 65 rbi, 28 bb, 44 k - Although the PCL is a hitters league, this guy is just raking it in just his 2nd season in AAA. He is 26, however, but just look at guys like Scott Podsednik, and tell me that he doesn't have much of a chance 'cause he's too old. Dan Haren- 8-4, 4.09 era, 110 ip, 124 k, 30 bb - Cerb's got a good point that this guy has pitched many major league innings, but he's still young, and has a good shot at being a starter in STL next year. You can't argue w/ the K/BB #'s; you see that kind of ratio moreso in A-ball than AAA. Michael Morse- Alright, don't really know what I was thinking here; He's not really a top prospect, but he is a solid one. David Aardsma- 5-1, 1.99 era, 5 saves, 31.2 ip (25 games), 28 k, 16 bb- Truthfully, I was trying to come up w/ a closer prospect off the top of my head, and came up w/ Aardsma b/c he was a 1st round draft pick as a closer. While he has pitched pretty damn well out of the 'pen this year in AAA, his 5 saves in 25 games show that he's probably the set-up guy of the future rather than the closer of the future for SF. I don't think he really deserved a "what the hell, f*** no", though, from Cerb, considering it's not like he has a 5.68 era w/ 8 blown saves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Socks Posted July 15, 2004 Share Posted July 15, 2004 Surprised you didn't say Morse. Cheat, I don't believe Morse is in that category. Reed is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerbaho-WG Posted July 15, 2004 Share Posted July 15, 2004 I like that guy's opinions. He's got 10 of the 15 players I listed in his Top 70, and I tried to list players other people hadn't mentioned already, although I did re-list a few b/c of the importance I felt they had on being "top" prospects. Anway, here are some of my own comments on guys on guys that this guy didn't mention: Nick Swisher- .258, 16 hr, 54 rbi, 18 2b, 80 bb, 64 k, .428 obp- This guy is exactly what Oakland loves, and therefore, is a top prospect, and will be a very good major leaguer, imo. John Gall- .320, 20 hr, 65 rbi, 28 bb, 44 k - Although the PCL is a hitters league, this guy is just raking it in just his 2nd season in AAA. He is 26, however, but just look at guys like Scott Podsednik, and tell me that he doesn't have much of a chance 'cause he's too old. Dan Haren- 8-4, 4.09 era, 110 ip, 124 k, 30 bb - Cerb's got a good point that this guy has pitched many major league innings, but he's still young, and has a good shot at being a starter in STL next year. You can't argue w/ the K/BB #'s; you see that kind of ratio moreso in A-ball than AAA. Michael Morse- Alright, don't really know what I was thinking here; He's not really a top prospect, but he is a solid one. David Aardsma- 5-1, 1.99 era, 5 saves, 31.2 ip (25 games), 28 k, 16 bb- Truthfully, I was trying to come up w/ a closer prospect off the top of my head, and came up w/ Aardsma b/c he was a 1st round draft pick as a closer. While he has pitched pretty damn well out of the 'pen this year in AAA, his 5 saves in 25 games show that he's probably the set-up guy of the future rather than the closer of the future for SF. I don't think he really deserved a "what the hell, f*** no", though, from Cerb, considering it's not like he has a 5.68 era w/ 8 blown saves. Swisher - You're buying into the Billy Beane hype machine. While he will make the bigs and probably become a decent ballplayer, he is by no means a top prospect just because Billy Beane would have drafted him #1 overall in the draft. Gall - Gall and Posednik in the same sentence? What the hell? Haren - Not a prospect anymore as I already stated. Aardsma - Got shelled earlier this year and is a college closer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mathew Posted July 15, 2004 Share Posted July 15, 2004 Jeff Francis is that Caniadian dude from the B.C. premier league right? I've got a few buddies who played priemier against him, the funny thing is he was always in the shadows of Adam Loewen, who has sucked ass as I understand. some decent players have come out of there though, Rich Harden, Justin Morneau recently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomsonmi Posted July 15, 2004 Share Posted July 15, 2004 Jeff Francis appears to be the real deal. Check out his numbers at Tulsa AA... Jeff Francis 13-1 with 1.98 ERA, 113.2 IP, 73 H, 22 BB, 147 SO That's unfriggin' believable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted July 15, 2004 Share Posted July 15, 2004 Jeff Francis appears to be the real deal. Check out his numbers at Tulsa AA... Jeff Francis 13-1 with 1.98 ERA, 113.2 IP, 73 H, 22 BB, 147 SO That's unfriggin' believable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted July 15, 2004 Share Posted July 15, 2004 I see Francis finally got promoted to AAA. Colorado has another decent prospect at AAA named Garrett Atkins who has a good batting eye. Only knocks on him is he has not attempted a SB and has 16 errors. .340 BA 11 HR 66 RBI 40 BB 28 SO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted July 16, 2004 Share Posted July 16, 2004 Jeff Francis appears to be the real deal. Check out his numbers at Tulsa AA... Jeff Francis 13-1 with 1.98 ERA, 113.2 IP, 73 H, 22 BB, 147 SO That's unfriggin' believable. Imagine him and Justin Morneau in the Olympics for Canada, I wish Travis Blackley was still in AAA so he could play for Australia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danman31 Posted July 16, 2004 Share Posted July 16, 2004 Imagine him and Justin Morneau in the Olympics for Canada, I wish Travis Blackley was still in AAA so he could play for Australia. Well you got Thomas Brice. Is he going to be on Team Australia? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted July 16, 2004 Share Posted July 16, 2004 Well you got Thomas Brice. Is he going to be on Team Australia? Haven't heard anything bout I'd doubt it, he's struggling in high A ball right now. I know players like Dave Nilsson and Graham Lloyd will be playing though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Honda Civic Posted July 16, 2004 Share Posted July 16, 2004 Imagine him and Justin Morneau in the Olympics for Canada, I wish Travis Blackley was still in AAA so he could play for Australia. WTF is Morneau still doing in Rochester? Minkaywhatshisname has been terrible at 1st base. And Jose Awfulman has been equally as bad at DH. All they are doing by leaving him down there is making him Olypic eligible... And what is the point in that? Especially if he's going ot play for Canada. And don't say that the Defense will fall off with Morneau there. Minnesota has been worse than the Sox defensively this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted July 16, 2004 Share Posted July 16, 2004 WTF is Morneau still doing in Rochester? Minkaywhatshisname has been terrible at 1st base. And Jose Awfulman has been equally as bad at DH. All they are doing by leaving him down there is making him Olypic eligible... And what is the point in that? Especially if he's going ot play for Canada. And don't say that the Defense will fall off with Morneau there. Minnesota has been worse than the Sox defensively this season. Exactly right Cheat, most ppl are amazed Morneau is still down in AAA when he's clearly been slugging the ball down there. Oh well, I hope he stays down there and plays in the Olympics, for our sake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerbaho-WG Posted July 16, 2004 Share Posted July 16, 2004 WTF is Morneau still doing in Rochester? Minkaywhatshisname has been terrible at 1st base. And Jose Awfulman has been equally as bad at DH. All they are doing by leaving him down there is making him Olypic eligible... And what is the point in that? Especially if he's going ot play for Canada. And don't say that the Defense will fall off with Morneau there. Minnesota has been worse than the Sox defensively this season. Minnesota has had problems like that in the past, just look at Cuddyer, Ford, Restovich, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted July 16, 2004 Share Posted July 16, 2004 Minnesota has had problems like that in the past, just look at Cuddyer, Ford, Restovich, etc. Only Ford's really taken a big step up this year, I've heard Cuddyer's and Restrovich as possible trade options for Gil Meche of Seattle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Socks Posted July 16, 2004 Share Posted July 16, 2004 Garrett Atkins is actually the Rockie's third best prospect at third bae, even though he is hitting about .340 in AAA. Jeff baker and Ian Stewart have "can't miss" all over them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dasox24 Posted July 16, 2004 Share Posted July 16, 2004 Ian Stewart Ian Stewart is one of my favorite prospects that doesn't play for the Sox. I remember the Sox being listed as a team interested in him before the draft, but he was taken about 5 spots before we drafted. He started out kinda slow this year, but since mid-May has been absolutely tearing it up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted July 16, 2004 Share Posted July 16, 2004 Word has it that neither Morneau nor Francis will be able to play in the Olympics....... nothing final on that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomsonmi Posted July 16, 2004 Share Posted July 16, 2004 Ian Stewart is one of my favorite prospects that doesn't play for the Sox. I remember the Sox being listed as a team interested in him before the draft, but he was taken about 5 spots before we drafted. He started out kinda slow this year, but since mid-May has been absolutely tearing it up. Stewart is tearing it up. He has 21 homeruns already this year. The Rockies have a number of great position player prospects in the minors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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