Nomar to White Sox?

[YASNY]

for you conspiracy theorist.

 

the sCrubs make the move to prevent the sox in;

 

1. getting johnson, thus preventing them for gaining grounds on the fan base

2. prevent them from going deep in the playoff

and

3. trying to get their lion share of the media before kw does something else.

 

i don't see nomar helping them out in the final push. stl has what a 10 1/2 game lead or something like that.

Cards lead by 7.

 

The Cubs are still very much in the wildcard picture, and if the make it, they are dangerous. Nomar is clutch and a an upgrade for them at SS.

 

But as for your conspiracy theory. The Cubs are not concerned with anything the Sox do.

[LDF]

Cards lead by 7.

 

The Cubs are still very much in the wildcard picture, and if the make it, they are dangerous.  Nomar is clutch and a an upgrade for them at SS.

 

But as for your conspiracy theory.  The Cubs are not concerned with anything the Sox do.

 

ok 7 games ahead and i stand corrected, however i just read it mention somewhere that the lead was 10.............. i must be tired or something.

[hammerhead johnson]

i don't see nomar helping them out in the final push. stl has what a 10 1/2 game lead or something like that.

The Cardinals could win the division by 15 to 20 games when all is said and done, but if the Cubs win the wild card, Prior/Zambrano/Wood would be too much for the Cards to handle in the playoffs. I feel bad for that team. Their offense is superb. They have 4 or 5 gold glovers in their starting lineup. They have a hall of fame manager. But their starting pitchers and setup men will hold them back from advancing to the WS.

 

This Cards team is essentially the same team as they had last year. They have failed to address their need for starting pitching. Unless they pick up an ace and a couple of relievers before the deadline, I can't see them going anywhere.

[JoshPR]

Yeah, tell me about it.  Let's say worst case scenario they meet up with the Cubs in the WS. 

 

Matchups w/ Johnson:

 

Prior vs. Johnson

Wood vs. Martinez

Zambrano vs. Schilling

Clement vs. Lowe

 

Matchups w/out Johnson:

 

Prior vs. Martinez

Wood vs. Schilling

Zambrano vs. Lowe

Clement vs. Burkett

 

The Cubs would probably be up 3-1 in the latter scenario.  But with Johnson, The Red Sox could sweep. 

 

That is absolutely huge.

Burkett??? Huh!! Burkett retired he ain't even in Baseball no more

[hammerhead johnson]

Burkett??? Huh!! Burkett retired he ain't even in Baseball no more

I was thinking of Wakefield.

[hammerhead johnson]

That's strange that Burkett would retire after starting 30 games for the Red Sox last year. He could still make damn good money pitching out of the bullpen.

[sox-r-us]

If Boston does get Randy, unless their pitchers are suffering from injuries, we will get swept if we met them in the first or second round....no doubt about that

 

I can only imagine our "big game ineffective" O going against their pitchers...

[qwerty]

That's strange that Burkett would retire after starting 30 games for the Red Sox last year.  He could still make damn good money pitching out of the bullpen.

I think he was contemplating to pitch another season but he decided other wise. I know he had gotten an offer from the yankees.

[upnorthsox]

Wow! I'm really surprised at the Nomar hatred around here.

 

First let me say that I agree that if we had the prospects to get RJ then get RJ. EOS.

 

The ????? then is why would we want Nomar? Simple, because Frank ain't coming back this season and KW knows it. We went 2 games under .500 without Maggs, 4 or 6 games better than that without Frank will still leave us on the outside in October. Frank has to be replaced, it's that simple.

 

Why Nomar? Because he's a clutch career .323 hitter with a career .370 OBP who can hit leadoff for this team, and contrary to someone elses post he's a career .308 hitter away from Fenway and is hitting .368 away this yr. He's also a .323 hitter with 7 HR and 21 rbi's in 93 AB's in the playoffs.

 

As to where he'd play, he'd come here to replace Frank at DH not Jose at SS, if on the outside chance that Frank does make it back before the end of the season or for the playoffs he can move over to 2nd.

 

Why not Unit? I personally have no reason not to but thinking could be that 1) $16 mil next season, that's a big dissuader(sp?), 2) We don't have/want the prospects to get RJ, this makes sense in that BOS would need to trade Nomar to get some of the prospects RJ but they'd also have to kick in prospects of their own. And 3) RJ has said privately that he won't come to Chicago, this is pure conjecture on my part but if KW has asked and gotten this answer back then getting Nomar instead of Unit makes sense.

 

So what deal? IMO whatever deal you'd make for RJ but minus the core player, so if a Sox offer for RJ was built around a Sweeney/anderson/Crede then remove him and btw make them kick in Lowe to us and that's your deal.

 

So Nomar and Lowe for less than you'd pay for an RJ you didn't want or couldn't get is not that bad. It's not great, but it's not bad.

[EvilJester99]

The Score is reporting this morning that its the New York Times saying its a 3 way deal involving Boston, Arizona and the CUBS for the deal not the White Sox....take it for what its worth though.

[upnorthsox]

FYI, the NYTimes story:

 

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/07/14/sports/b.../14johnson.html

[UofIChiSox]

I agree to look at a Nomar acquisition as a replacement for Big Hurt and not Valentin. It would give us somebody to play against lefties so we can get Harris AND Valentin out against them which would be good. If Nomar came around, he could replace Thomas' production in any category but home runs. to keep Valentin happy, I would sign him to an extension and explain that there is a very slim chance Nomar is around for more than this season.

 

That being said, if we have the prospects and $$$$ to get Unit, get him, but I would bet that in the rumored deal, we wouldn't be paying all of Nomar's salary, so we'll see what happens. I love this stuff.

[Wedge]

Even with Johnson, it's still possible (maybe 50-60% likely) that the BoSox don't even make the playoffs, making this all null and void.

 

It's the same if he goes to Anaheim. You'd think the three AL teams he'd go to are the Yankees, Sox, or Twins. The Yankees are a shoe-in and if he goes to the Sox or Twins, he tips the scales in that teams favor for a virtual play-off lock.

 

Anaheim and Boston both seem like a risk for not even making the playoffs.

[mreye]

I dont get why we wouldnt just give AZ the prospects and take RJ instead of Nomar? Its retarded. I'd be kinda happy with the deal just because we'd get more attention and more superstar notoriety but we can also get that in RJ. Forget it, prospects to AZ for RJ....PERIOD.

I'm sure Boston is willing to take ALL of Randy Johnson's salary. We're not!

 

 

Regardless, this is not going to happen.

[AngelasDaddy0427]

I don't want to make ANY move that ruins team chemistry and takes a player out of a position where they are currently performing WELL.

If we're going to make a trade it needs to be for a SP, bullpen help, or a catcher.

WE DON'T NEED NOMAR OR BELTRAN...

[upnorthsox]

Even with Johnson, it's still possible (maybe 50-60% likely) that the BoSox don't even make the playoffs, making this all null and void.

 

It's the same if he goes to Anaheim.  You'd think the three AL teams he'd go to are the Yankees, Sox, or Twins.  The Yankees are a shoe-in and if he goes to the Sox or Twins, he tips the scales in that teams favor for a virtual play-off lock.

 

Anaheim and Boston both seem like a risk for not even making the playoffs.

Good point, of the 4 AL contenders that he could go to(Yanks, Boston, Anaheim, Minny) I'd say that Boston from that group would probably be the most desirable spot for him to go from our perspective, it wouldn't guarantee them the WC and they still would have difficulty topping NY in the East. If he went to the Yanks then you might as well call the season now and declare them the winners and if he went to Minny then we'd have a hard time even making the playoffs. The thought of Anaheim with RJ just scares me. KW would do well to block an RJ trade to these teams but esp. NY, Anaheim and Minny.

 

I'd have to say though, Boston getting RJ and the scrubs getting Nomar while we stagnate waiting on Frank to get healthy would sting quite a bit.

[Wedge]

Good point, of the 4 AL contenders that he could go to(Yanks, Boston, Anaheim, Minny) I'd say that Boston from that group would probably be the most desirable spot for him to go from our perspective, it wouldn't guarantee them the WC and they still would have difficulty topping NY in the East. If he went to the Yanks then you might as well call the season now and declare them the winners and if he went to Minny then we'd have a hard time even making the playoffs. The thought of Anaheim with RJ just scares me. KW would do well to block an RJ trade to these teams but esp. NY, Anaheim and Minny.

 

I'd have to say though, Boston getting RJ and the scrubs getting Nomar while we stagnate waiting on Frank to get healthy would sting quite a bit.

Yeah. I break down the AL playoff race as follows:

 

The Yankees are IN

The winner of Sox and Twins is IN

I think the A's are IN (either Wildcard or division winners) given their historic 2nd half surge.

 

That basically leaves Anaheim, Boston, Texas, and the Central loser fighting for 1 spot.

 

Texas could be in trouble, isn't Rogers hurt?

 

Anaheim is a very solid club, but they seem to have real issues sometimes (i.e. rash of injuries or Colon potentially eating Vlad).

 

Boston seems so up-and-down... can it sustain a strong run to land in the play-offs?

 

Still, if RJ's goal is truly post-season glory, his best bet is the Yankees, A's, Twins, or White Sox. The first two are virtual shoe-ins, so it seems. He tips the scales for the Twins vs. Sox. Given what he says, I'd think he'd really only want to go to one of those four teams. Of those four, only the Yankees and Sox seem willing to add the $$$ to get it done.

 

I don't even know where he would go in the NL. The NL East is so packed, it's insane. Atlanta will probably find a way to win that one, as it always does. The West is nuts, too. I can see a scenario where he goes to the Giants, but again, that doesn't ensure him getting to the post-season. I don't think the Cardinals would make a move for him, but stranger things have happened. And everybody is in the wild-card race except the Expos and Pirates and his own team.

 

For all we know, he'll probably just stay a Diamondback.

[Winning Ugly]

This should kill this thread:

 

http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/reds...in_a_fine_mess/

 

Twin city interest

 

Both Chicago teams, the Cubs and White Sox, surfaced in speculation here involving Garciaparra, but a major league source said the Sox are more than happy with the play of the shortstop and aren't close to anything at this time .

 

Cubs will get Cabrera. Watch.

[SuperSteve]

This should kill this thread:

 

http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/reds...in_a_fine_mess/

 

Twin city interest

 

Both Chicago teams, the Cubs and White Sox, surfaced in speculation here involving Garciaparra, but a major league source said the Sox are more than happy with the play of the shortstop and aren't close to anything at this time .

 

Cubs will get Cabrera. Watch.

Yeah. I agree. The Cubs will get Cabrera.

[magglio's extension]

yes this would be a pointless move for the sox to make. however, let's not forget we're talkin about nomar garciaparra. some of you are makin it sound like he is royce clayton. nomar is a stud, and if there was a reasonable way to get him i would take him at shortstop anyday over jose, but i would not want jose out of the lineup of course. however, this deal is not going to happen, so let's not get ahead of ourselves.

[YASNY]

Even if you accept the fact that Nomar would outproduce Valentin for the rest of the year, which is a very questionable scenario imho, he would not outproduce him to an extent that he would drastically improve the club. Whereas a guy like Kendall would greatly enhance the ball team considering who he'd replace and he'd be a consistent on base guy at the top of the line up.

 

Again, Nomar does not make sense for the Sox.