Sox1422 Posted July 14, 2004 Share Posted July 14, 2004 "theoretical chance" That says to me there is no way in hell the Sox get him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish Posted July 14, 2004 Author Share Posted July 14, 2004 I think by rule, the Yankees have to be rumored to be in the hunt for the top 10 players available at any given time. Regardless, though, him to the Yankees makes sense if somehow they have the prospects, which i hear they don't. The more interesting rumor is the Garciparra to Cubs for prospects...then use those prospects/other players to get RJ. I don't know though. Just because Randy said he'd waive a no trade clause doesn't mean he's getting traded for certain. I don't believe he demanded a trade, did he? Even if he did, still doesn't do a ton. This is all in Arizona's front office, something no one is talking about really. I don't see why the media is just talking about what "rj wants" or "where rj would want to go" Does it make sense for them to move RJ? I don't really know if it does. I'd fleece someone in a trade if i gave up RJ, or i'd keep him After reading about how RJ and Schilling don't get along I really doubt he is going to Boston. I really doubt Garciaparra is going to the Cubs. Who plays short for them once Garciaparra leaves? Pokey Reese? Or do they get Alex Gonzalez in return? More likely I think the Scrubbies get Orlando Cabrera. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted July 14, 2004 Share Posted July 14, 2004 The White Soxs aren't even mentioned in that last article. I wonder if that is good or bad? I don't know if I'd look into that too much. It is a Newsday report. Honest to god, I think RJ ends up in Anaheim or Chicago. I have said that before too. The Yanks do not have the prospects for RJ...and unlike that rotoworld report says, they will not get the prospects they need for Jon Lieber. Teams will be smarter then that, and they will not give the Yankees s*** for Jon Lieber. Just because the Yankees have 26 or 27 World Championships does not mean everything goes their way all the time. Boston does not have the prospects to get RJ, and he doesn't wanna go there anyways. The Mets are in the same boat as Boston, and really are not a good offensive team(though Richard Hidalgo has helped them immensely), and I don't think they'll last. I think the Dodgers could get him...however, they may not get him because they do not want to help Arizona beat them in the future by paying a high price for RJ. And almost every other team cannot afford him(and while we cannot really afford him, it does appear JR could be going for broke). A sleeper team to watch out for though is Texas. IIRC, they have a decent minor league system, and could potentially have what Arizona wants in return. Atlanta could also make a push too. However, I really do not think those teams have the desire nor the need nor does their GM have the balls to pull off a move like this right now. While Anaheim's GM(and I can't even think of his name) may not have balls, he does have money, and he does have things to trade...it is really a low-risk move for Anaheim. For KW, this s*** is high-risk, high-reward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlliniKrush Posted July 14, 2004 Share Posted July 14, 2004 After reading about how RJ and Schilling don't get along I really doubt he is going to Boston. I really doubt Garciaparra is going to the Cubs. Who plays short for them once Garciaparra leaves? Pokey Reese? Or do they get Alex Gonzalez in return? More likely I think the Scrubbies get Orlando Cabrera. Yeah, i think Gonzalez would be going to Boston as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wedge Posted July 14, 2004 Share Posted July 14, 2004 I don't know if I'd look into that too much. It is a Newsday report. Honest to god, I think RJ ends up in Anaheim or Chicago. I have said that before too. The Yanks do not have the prospects for RJ...and unlike that rotoworld report says, they will not get the prospects they need for Jon Lieber. Teams will be smarter then that, and they will not give the Yankees s*** for Jon Lieber. Just because the Yankees have 26 or 27 World Championships does not mean everything goes their way all the time. Boston does not have the prospects to get RJ, and he doesn't wanna go there anyways. The Mets are in the same boat as Boston, and really are not a good offensive team(though Richard Hidalgo has helped them immensely), and I don't think they'll last. I think the Dodgers could get him...however, they may not get him because they do not want to help Arizona beat them in the future by paying a high price for RJ. And almost every other team cannot afford him(and while we cannot really afford him, it does appear JR could be going for broke). A sleeper team to watch out for though is Texas. IIRC, they have a decent minor league system, and could potentially have what Arizona wants in return. Atlanta could also make a push too. However, I really do not think those teams have the desire nor the need nor does their GM have the balls to pull off a move like this right now. While Anaheim's GM(and I can't even think of his name) may not have balls, he does have money, and he does have things to trade...it is really a low-risk move for Anaheim. For KW, this s*** is high-risk, high-reward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
israel4ever Posted July 14, 2004 Share Posted July 14, 2004 This thread is just silly. Why don't we go out and get Prior, Mulder, Pedro, Gagne and Clemens. Oh yeah, lets get Beltran and Barry Bonds, too. The fact that their teams have said they're not available shouldnt stop us. Interesting that you'd put Prior on top of that list! Too much "cubbie-love"?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sox-r-us Posted July 14, 2004 Share Posted July 14, 2004 I know getting RJ means we have to increase our payroll significantly next year and it almost definitely means Maggs is gone from here, I am willing to do it because this guy is so freaking special A pitcher with his nasty slider is very useful in a homer friendly park like ours. Also, I have no faith any of our pitchers (including Garcia) can shut down the Yankees O in the playoffs Also, we do not need to do a firesale if we lose in the ALCS or WS....all we have to do is let Maggs, Valentin and Elo walk We have a pitching rotation of RJ, Garcia, Buerhle, Scho and some cheap FA for next year Let Borchard play RF, Rowands continues at CF, Uribe goes to SS, Willie to 2B Get one solid bat in FA (someone who can hit lefty preferably) and we are fine until we trade at the deadline next year again to go for it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
israel4ever Posted July 14, 2004 Share Posted July 14, 2004 I know getting RJ means we have to increase our payroll significantly next year and it almost definitely means Maggs is gone from here, I am willing to do it because this guy is so freaking special A pitcher with his nasty slider is very useful in a homer friendly park like ours. Also, I have no faith any of our pitchers (including Garcia) can shut down the Yankees O in the playoffs Also, we do not need to do a firesale if we lose in the ALCS or WS....all we have to do is let Maggs, Valentin and Elo walk We have a pitching rotation of RJ, Garcia, Buerhle, Scho and some cheap FA for next year Let Borchard play RF, Rowands continues at CF, Uribe goes to SS, Willie to 2B Get one solid bat in FA (someone who can hit lefty preferably) and we are fine until we trade at the deadline next year again to go for it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted July 14, 2004 Share Posted July 14, 2004 Sox-r-us, If we get RJ for next year our rotation would be: RJ, Garcia, Buerhle, Garland, FA or Rookie. We would be favorites in the AL Central pretty much as long as we kept our offense some what in place, seeing as our rotation could potentially be the best in baseball with RJ next year. SB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sox-r-us Posted July 14, 2004 Share Posted July 14, 2004 Sox-r-us, If we get RJ for next year our rotation would be: RJ, Garcia, Buerhle, Garland, FA or Rookie. We would be favorites in the AL Central pretty much as long as we kept our offense some what in place, seeing as our rotation could potentially be the best in baseball with RJ next year. SB Yeah I am sorry I meant Garland instead of Scho Oops Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
upnorthsox Posted July 14, 2004 Share Posted July 14, 2004 Moreno Downplays Johnson Talk By Bill Shaikin Times Staff Writer July 14, 2004 HOUSTON — Angel owner Arte Moreno all but pulled his team out of the Randy Johnson derby Tuesday, expressing admiration for the five-time Cy Young Award winner but pledging to keep the core of his minor league system intact. General Manager Bill Stoneman has long insisted that he would not trade his top prospects. Moreno, in his first full season of ownership after a winter in which he spent $146 million on free agents, said he would not order Stoneman to pursue Johnson, the ace of the Arizona Diamondbacks' staff. "I won't do that," Moreno said. "That's not the way we'll do business. That won't come from me." Johnson said Monday that he would consider waiving his no-trade clause to join a World Series contender, with the Boston Red Sox, New York Mets, New York Yankees, Chicago White Sox and Chicago Cubs among the suitors. The Dodgers are talking trade with Arizona, but not necessarily for Johnson. http://www.latimes.com/sports/baseball/mlb...orts-majorbaseb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Lopez Ghost (old) Posted July 14, 2004 Share Posted July 14, 2004 Moreno Downplays Johnson Talk By Bill Shaikin Times Staff Writer July 14, 2004 HOUSTON — Angel owner Arte Moreno all but pulled his team out of the Randy Johnson derby Tuesday, expressing admiration for the five-time Cy Young Award winner but pledging to keep the core of his minor league system intact. General Manager Bill Stoneman has long insisted that he would not trade his top prospects. Moreno, in his first full season of ownership after a winter in which he spent $146 million on free agents, said he would not order Stoneman to pursue Johnson, the ace of the Arizona Diamondbacks' staff. "I won't do that," Moreno said. "That's not the way we'll do business. That won't come from me." Johnson said Monday that he would consider waiving his no-trade clause to join a World Series contender, with the Boston Red Sox, New York Mets, New York Yankees, Chicago White Sox and Chicago Cubs among the suitors. The Dodgers are talking trade with Arizona, but not necessarily for Johnson. http://www.latimes.com/sports/baseball/mlb...orts-majorbaseb Arte you hang on to those prospects. Hello, Arizona? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wedge Posted July 14, 2004 Share Posted July 14, 2004 The Dodgers are talking trade with Arizona, but not necessarily for Johnson. They no doubt want Finley. I'd say drop the Cubs out of that list. Out of the four remaining, we definitely have the best prospects. Like I said a while ago, we don't get Randy if he doesn't want to come here. We don't get him if get goes nowhere. I think we're the team with the most and best to offer, so it's up to KW to pull the trigger. In my best Ben Stiller voice, "DO IT!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan1 Posted July 14, 2004 Share Posted July 14, 2004 Lets all pray now: "Dear God, please let our Chicago White Sox General Manager Kenneth Williams have the guts to trade for one of the most dominating pitchers of all time, Randy Johnson. If this can happen, when I die, I will personally pamper you to the fullest extent. This is the year for our White Sox and Randy Johnson would greatly help his team. Also, make him waive his no-trade clause to join our team. Thank you God. Make it happen. Amen." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted July 14, 2004 Share Posted July 14, 2004 Guys, this is as much about giving up top prospects as it is about taking on his long term deal, not just the money he is owed this year. I will be extatic if the White Sox get him. I'm assuming a package would consist with Anderson or Borchard, Rauch or Diaz, Cotts and someone else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moochpuppy Posted July 14, 2004 Share Posted July 14, 2004 Johnson said Monday that he would consider waiving his no-trade clause to join a World Series contender, with the Boston Red Sox, New York Mets, New York Yankees, Chicago White Sox and Chicago Cubs among the suitors. The Dodgers are talking trade with Arizona, but not necessarily for Johnson. The Mets World Series contenders? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wedge Posted July 14, 2004 Share Posted July 14, 2004 Guys, this is as much about giving up top prospects as it is about taking on his long term deal, not just the money he is owed this year. See, it can be, though. There are going to be a ton of teams that would want this guy come this off-season. If we can't afford him, I'm sure we can find a suitor for him and restock the lost prospects we used to trade for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted July 14, 2004 Share Posted July 14, 2004 See, it can be, though. There are going to be a ton of teams that would want this guy come this off-season. If we can't afford him, I'm sure we can find a suitor for him and restock the lost prospects we used to trade for him. I agree with that analysis. The only thing I worry about Johnson is his health. He's well worth what he's being paid as long as his arm and knees hold up and what not. Plus he'd really fill the seats and give the Sox a frontline ace. With Buehrle and Garcia as the 2 and 3, then Elo and Garland, thats a filthy rotation down the stretch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sox1422 Posted July 14, 2004 Share Posted July 14, 2004 I will be extatic if the White Sox get him. I'm assuming a package would consist with Anderson or Borchard, Rauch or Diaz, Cotts and someone else. Trade them all. Just win the World Series!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wedge Posted July 14, 2004 Share Posted July 14, 2004 The other benefit of Johnson is that we have another arm in the bullpen, a la the world series in 2002. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngelasDaddy0427 Posted July 14, 2004 Share Posted July 14, 2004 I would love to get Randy Johnson just as long as Aaron Rowand, Timo Perez, Willie Harris, Juan Uribe, and Joe Crede are not traded and as long as Aaron Rowand continues to be the starting CF, which is a job he has earned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
upnorthsox Posted July 14, 2004 Share Posted July 14, 2004 I will be extatic if the White Sox get him. I'm assuming a package would consist with Anderson or Borchard, Rauch or Diaz, Cotts and someone else. That's almost the same package I've been saying, mine is Cotts, Diaz/Munoz, Sweeney/Joe B, Valdez, and any one of a MLer like Gload or a hot AAAA guy like Nelson, or a low minor guy like Young/Schnur, or a mid level arm like Baj. If they want Rauch over Diaz or Munoz fine, if it has to be Anderson over Sweeney or Joe B then ok(but reluctantly), if it's Crede or no deal then I probably don't do it or if I do it's an almost one for one deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted July 14, 2004 Share Posted July 14, 2004 Guys, this is as much about giving up top prospects as it is about taking on his long term deal, not just the money he is owed this year. I will be extatic if the White Sox get him. I'm assuming a package would consist with Anderson or Borchard, Rauch or Diaz, Cotts and someone else. Yep.. and over and over again I'm hearing $8 million remaining this year and $16 next year NOT deferred owed to RJ. Would be nice.. but I just don't see it happening unless JR has reciently been hit on the head.. hard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwsox Posted July 14, 2004 Share Posted July 14, 2004 Yep.. and over and over again I'm hearing $8 million remaining this year and $16 next year NOT deferred owed to RJ. Would be nice.. but I just don't see it happening unless JR has reciently been hit on the head.. hard. Steff, you have said this in other ways before -- and it keeps seeming to me that you are making perfect sense Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted July 14, 2004 Share Posted July 14, 2004 Steff, you have said this in other ways before -- and it keeps seeming to me that you are making perfect sense Oh hell.. even a broken clock is right twice a day.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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