now how many "prospects" have we given up for

[aboz56]

Majewski is no loss. We traded him once already before, have exposed him in the Rule 5 Draft and it's clear the Sox aren't high on him. And besides his velocity, there's not much to be excited about. Rauch could turn out to be decent, but he wasn't going to pan out here either, so neither of these guys are a loss to me.

[Chisoxfn]

Majewski is no loss.  We traded him once already before, have exposed him in the Rule 5 Draft and it's clear the Sox aren't high on him.  And besides his velocity, there's not much to be excited about.  Rauch could turn out to be decent, but he wasn't going to pan out here either, so neither of these guys are a loss to me.

Gotta disagree with you on your assessment of Maj. I think he's the better of the players involved in the deal. Just my 2 cents though

[aboz56]

Gotta disagree with you on your assessment of Maj.  I think he's the better of the players involved in the deal.  Just my 2 cents though

You'd think if he was any good, he'd probably be on the roster over BP Jackson or Adkins, but he wasn't. I've seen him, haven't been impressed and if he was that important, he wouldn't have been in a Rule 5 Draft, traded to LA and bounced around so much before ever throwing in a big league game. This trade was a no-brainer for the Sox. Does have a decent arm though.

[Chisoxfn]

Adkins has pitched well and Jackson is their cause they want a vet. If it were me, Majewski or Diaz would be in the pen over Mike "batting practice" Jackson.

 

I do think its a good deal though. I think Grilli is as good as Rauch. I don't think either of them are that talented, but the Sox have a lot of those good AAA pitchers down in Charlotte, most of which probably won't be much anything in the majors.

 

I have never been a Rauch fan, well, I was back when he was healthy, but he just doesn't get it. Maybe a change of scenery will be good, but I doubt it. I think Majew will fit into their pen. Not saying he'll be a stud, but he's got the arm, two good pitches, and the mentality to potentially be a closer.

 

Who knows if it happens, but if anyone makes the deal good from the Expos perspective it will be Majewski, not Rauch, imo.

[LDF]

Adkins has pitched well and Jackson is their cause they want a vet.  If it were me, Majewski or Diaz would be in the pen over Mike "batting practice" Jackson. 

 

I do think its a good deal though.  I think Grilli is as good as Rauch.  I don't think either of them are that talented, but the Sox have a lot of those good AAA pitchers down in Charlotte, most of which probably won't be much anything in the majors. 

 

I have never been a Rauch fan, well, I was back when he was healthy, but he just doesn't get it.  Maybe a change of scenery will be good, but I doubt it.  I think Majew will fit into their pen.  Not saying he'll be a stud, but he's got the arm, two good pitches, and the mentality to potentially be a closer. 

 

Who knows if it happens, but if anyone makes the deal good from the Expos perspective it will be Majewski, not Rauch, imo.

maybe majew will b/c a rocky briddle next yr for mont.

 

either way, a change of scenes will help both.

[Chisoxfn]

Guys, who gives a crap how many prospects they give up, the key is which prospects pan out. It looks like Fransisco may not of been a guy the Sox should of given up.

 

However, remember, we got him for Howry (I think at least). I guess that wasn't too bad of a job by KW. Who knows, but I can't think of that many people that were really high on him when he was given up. He's turned it around, much like Enemencio Pacheco did for the Sox last year until he got hurt this season.

 

Would it be any different if instead they acquired a similar player to Everett, with just a different name. Bottom line is the Sox are going for it now, they had a need, and they went out and got it without giving up any of the Sox "high ceiling" prospects.

 

I still think its bulls*** they dealt Reed instead of Borchard (if true), but thats been done. He's the one real high rated prospect KW has given up thus far.

 

Webster was highly thought of and he has a lot of potential, but so does Chris Young, Ryan Sweeney, Brian Anderson, and Joe Borchard.

 

Josh Rupe has been hurt all year. He was the guy I didn't want to give up in the deal. He still may turn it around, but I think its hard whenever a young pitcher has a serious injury (I am not sure what his is, but he only has pitched in like 2 games all year).

 

So as of now, it looks like Fransisco and potentially Webster (still tough to say, he's at such a low level) could turn into something of the past Everett deal. The Sox got a guy, salary paid, who put up very good numbers and helped spark and increase attendance for a while. It failed, but damn it, it was worth the shot. Its better then giving up when your team still has a shot, imo.

 

This year they give up Rauch (I don't think he has a spot in the organization) and Majewski (I like him, but still, relief prospects are pretty tough to pan out). Everett hasn't been playing as good, but he's been hurt and was playing for the Expos in what I consider a pitchers park (at least Montreal). He's signed at an affordable rate and from what I heard the Sox got cash considerations (don't know how true that is and if so what amount). Once again the Sox had a need and they got a player that most of the guys are familiar with. They also get a left handed bat against RHP, and a replacement for Frank while gone.

 

If Frank comes back, fine, now the Sox have a guy that can play against good righties and break up all the righties. Ozzie will find a way to play em.

 

All I'm saying is, don't tell me how many prospects a GM has given up, tell me which ones he's given up (ie the decent ones) and then what the team got and did it fill a need.

 

In Kw's deals I can say he's given up some good prospects, but he's also gotten guys that definately fill a need. Thus far he's been pretty decent at not giving up ones to bite the Sox in the ass. Reed will be a player, thats a given, Kip turned into something (I always hated that deal) and their is a shot some of the guys they gave up for Everett could turn into something.

 

However, the Sox got a shot to win the world series and they are actually making noise in the media and having a growing fan base. I'll give up a few prospects soley because this is positioning the Sox to go deep and they are also in a position now to potentially add payroll. When was the last time Sox fans could hear that????

[Chisoxfn]

maybe majew will b/c a rocky briddle next yr for mont.

 

either way, a change of scenes will help both.

He could be a Biddle of this year too....ie, Awful

[hammerhead johnson]

Guys, who gives a crap how many prospects they give up, the key is which prospects pan out.  It looks like Fransisco may not of been a guy the Sox should of given up.

 

However, remember, we got him for Howry (I think at least). I guess that wasn't too bad of a job by KW.  Who knows, but I can't think of that many people that were really high on him when he was given up.  He's turned it around, much like Enemencio Pacheco did for the Sox last year until he got hurt this season. 

 

Would it be any different if instead they acquired a similar player to Everett, with just a different name.  Bottom line is the Sox are going for it now, they had a need, and they went out and got it without giving up any of the Sox "high ceiling" prospects.

 

I still think its bulls*** they dealt Reed instead of Borchard (if true), but thats been done.  He's the one real high rated prospect KW has given up thus far.

 

Webster was highly thought of and he has a lot of potential, but so does Chris Young, Ryan Sweeney, Brian Anderson, and Joe Borchard. 

 

Josh Rupe has been hurt all year.  He was the guy I didn't want to give up in the deal. He still may turn it around, but I think its hard whenever a young pitcher has a serious injury (I am not sure what his is, but he only has pitched in like 2 games all year). 

 

So as of now, it looks like Fransisco and potentially Webster (still tough to say, he's at such a low level) could turn into something of the past Everett deal.  The Sox got a guy, salary paid, who put up very good numbers and helped spark and increase attendance for a while.  It failed, but damn it, it was worth the shot.  Its better then giving up when your team still has a shot, imo. 

 

This year they give up Rauch (I don't think he has a spot in the organization) and Majewski (I like him, but still, relief prospects are pretty tough to pan out).  Everett hasn't been playing as good, but he's been hurt and was playing for the Expos in what I consider a pitchers park (at least Montreal).  He's signed at an affordable rate and from what I heard the Sox got cash considerations (don't know how true that is and if so what amount).    Once again the Sox had a need and they got a player that most of the guys are familiar with.  They also get a left handed bat against RHP, and a replacement for Frank while gone.

 

If Frank comes back, fine, now the Sox have a guy that can play against good righties and break up all the righties.  Ozzie will find a way to play em.

 

All I'm saying is, don't tell me how many prospects a GM has given up, tell me which ones he's given up (ie the decent ones) and then what the team got and did it fill a need. 

 

In Kw's deals I can say he's given up some good prospects, but he's also gotten guys that definately fill a need.  Thus far he's been pretty decent at not giving up ones to bite the Sox in the ass.  Reed will be a player, thats a given, Kip turned into something (I always hated that deal) and their is a shot some of the guys they gave up for Everett could turn into something.

 

However, the Sox got a shot to win the world series and they are actually making noise in the media and having a growing fan base.  I'll give up a few prospects soley because this is positioning the Sox to go deep and they are also in a position now to potentially add payroll.  When was the last time Sox fans could hear that????

Great post

[LDF]

He could be a Biddle of this year too....ie, Awful

ahh man, that was wrong of you to do.

 

 

[Rex Hudler]

He's in A ball, or did they take him up to Double A?

 

Sounds like Everett's season in 1998 Rex 

He is 21 and in high A. The Sox would be quite happy if he were doing that in Winston-Salem and he would still be in our Top 10 prospects. My point is simply that he is having a solid season after a really slow start. Don't discount him as a prospect just because he hasn't flown up the system as fast as ARod did in Seattle many years ago.

 

To put things in perspective...... if he went to college, he would have just come out this year, same as Josh Fields.

 

Compare his numbers at High A and they are quite solid. I am not trying to compare him directly to Fields or knock Fields at all, but the fact is they are the same age. Fields is labeled a big time prospect and people suggest we be patient with him. Yet Webster is having a solid season and people act like he isn't worth a damn.

 

Independent of everything else, Webster is still very much a prospect. That and only that was the point I was trying to make.

[Chisoxfn]

He is 21 and in high A.  The Sox would be quite happy if he were doing that in Winston-Salem and he would still be in our Top 10 prospects.  My point is simply that he is having a solid season after a really slow start.  Don't discount him as a prospect just because he hasn't flown up the system as fast as ARod did in Seattle many years ago. 

 

To put things in perspective...... if he went to college, he would have just come out this year, same as Josh Fields.

 

Compare his numbers at High A and they are quite solid.  I am not trying to compare him directly to Fields or knock Fields at all, but the fact is they are the same age.  Fields is labeled a big time prospect and people suggest we be patient with him.  Yet Webster is having a solid season and people act like he isn't worth a damn. 

 

Independent of everything else, Webster is still very much a prospect.  That and only that was the point I was trying to make.

Agreed. He has some raw potential, good arm, great speed, and shows the ability to develop some power (he isn't just a singles hitter). The biggest plus about him is his patience, he has a good OBP for a younger player.

 

I still think he was overrated by BA last year, but thats not to say he isn't talented. His secondary numbers are sign for optimism, like you say.

[Rex Hudler]

Josh Rupe has been hurt all year. He was the guy I didn't want to give up in the deal. He still may turn it around, but I think its hard whenever a young pitcher has a serious injury (I am not sure what his is, but he only has pitched in like 2 games all year).

 

Technically he is 3-0 in 7 games... 31.1 IP with a 1.15 ERA and .204 BA against. 27 strikeouts and just 6 walks......

 

But who's counting?? ;-)

[Chisoxfn]

Alright, he's back on the mound again, huh? I swear the last BA I was in I was going through minor league stats (of the other teams) and saw him with only a few games. I do know in the limited action he saw he was kicking some butt.

[baggio202]

i dont care what prospects we give up to get talented players now to help us win..the problem here is i dont think everett , at this point in his career , was the best option out there for the sox...if they are giving up rauch and majewski for everett i think i would have held out a little longer and added a player or two and go after a guy like finley or beltran...

 

everett is hitting 252 with 2 homers and 14 rbi in 127 at bats

in the last 10 days , playing as an everyday starter he is hitting 265 with 1 and 4 rbi in 34 at bats...i liked the addition of carl last year but this year he is as big a question mark as onyone on the team...i dont know if he is the answer

[Chisoxfn]

i dont care what prospects we give up to get talented players now to help us win..the problem here is i dont think everett , at this point in his career , was the best option out there for the sox...if they are giving up rauch and majewski for everett i think i would have held out a little longer and added a player or two and go after a guy like finley or beltran...

 

everett is hitting 252 with 2 homers and 14 rbi in 127 at bats

in the last 10 days , playing as an everyday starter he is hitting 265 with 1 and 4 rbi in 34 at bats...i liked the addition of carl last year but this year he is as big a question mark as onyone on the team...i dont know if he is the answer

I think the key was the Sox were able to get him without significantly adding payroll of giving up anyone on the major league roster.

 

To get Finely I got a feeling a team is going to give up a top prospect and I don't know if thats worth it, when you could get Everett (who is capable of putting up very good numbers) at a lesser price.

 

And for Beltran, its gonna cost someone like Brian Anderson, a top pitching prospect (Sox don't really have any at the higher levels, imo), and then some.

[hi8is]

"Kenny is on a mission, brother," said White Sox second baseman Willie Harris

[Guest JimH]

I think the key was the Sox were able to get him without significantly adding payroll of giving up anyone on the major league roster.

 

To get Finely I got a feeling a team is going to give up a top prospect and I don't know if thats worth it, when you could get Everett (who is capable of putting up very good numbers) at a lesser price. 

 

And for Beltran, its gonna cost someone like Brian Anderson, a top pitching prospect (Sox don't really have any at the higher levels, imo), and then some.

Jason, you are right, plus Finley has that no-trade thing and it's been rumored he will only go to a west coast team.

 

I don't know what the cost for Beltran would be ... Astros could very well hang onto him, figuring either they could get back into the wild card race with a string of wins, or the draft choices they'd get would be just as good as prospects.

 

If I'm them, knowing I'd get draft choices, I keep him and try to get back into the wild card. They have an uphill climb but that team is very capable of winning 10 of 12.

 

As for Everett, KW doesn't need to worry about how a new guy will fit into the clubhouse, he already knows how Everett will fit in. They got his salary paid for this year, giving the Sox the same amount of financial flexibility to pursue another move.

 

Everett is not the ideal, perfect solution but this trade was a no-brainer for the White Sox and kudos to the management team for getting it done now vs. July 31.

[greg775]

However, the Sox got a shot to win the world series and they are actually making noise in the media and having a growing fan base

 

--I respect yu chisoxfan but if we have a shot to win the World

Series, then Oz should be fired cause our record sure

doesn't show that potential.

[Chisoxfn]

Jason, you are right, plus Finley has that no-trade thing and it's been rumored he will only go to a west coast team.

 

I don't know what the cost for Beltran would be ... Astros could very well hang onto him, figuring either they could get back into the wild card race with a string of wins, or the draft choices they'd get would be just as good as prospects.

 

If I'm them, knowing I'd get draft choices, I keep him and try to get back into the wild card.  They have an uphill climb but that team is very capable of winning 10 of 12.

 

As for Everett, KW doesn't need to worry about how a new guy will fit into the clubhouse, he already knows how Everett will fit in.  They got his salary paid for this year, giving the Sox the same amount of financial flexibility to pursue another move.

 

Everett is not the ideal, perfect solution but this trade was a no-brainer for the White Sox and kudos to the management team for getting it done now vs. July 31.

Plus, they have him at 3.5 mill next year. Considering Thomas has his optoin and Maggs could be gone, thats a pretty damn good insurance plan. Maybe he's hurt and struggles, but Everett is more then capable of putting up some pretty good numbers. Heck, at the very least this could once again force Thomas to accept his option rather then hoping the Sox accept the team option.

 

Another thing on Beltran is, I got to be honest, I don't think the SOx have the major league prospects to make a deal for a high end player. I think they have a whole lot of lower level talent, plus Brian Anderson, Joe Borchard, and Ryan Sweeney...thats about it.

 

Their higher level pitching prospects, Honel and Wing, are hurt and now they have guys like Tracey, Bmac, Haig, Rodriguez, Flores, Brian Miller, etc. The thing is these guys are all long ways off and teams aren't usually willing to trade top superstar players for low a or high a prospects, unless they are the very best.

 

While the Sox system is thin now, in a year or two, it could be pretty high, especially because I think they did an oustanding job in this years draft and I liked last years draft as well. However, they have a lot of guys that could contribute, but are off. The only pitching prospect that could be given up is Neal Cotts, and I think he's got a shot to be a real good one.

 

Jon Rauch = No Chance in the Sox system

Majewski = Quality reliever

 

Everett = Former all star, who played very well last year for Chicago. Players are familiar with him, provides left handed pop against RHP, and hustles. Good baserunner, good OBP, good power (when healthy). KW seems to think he's heatlhy and I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.

 

Also, I don't want to see Anderson dealt for someone like Beltran...he's one guy that is absolutely untradeable. He may just be in Chicago next year.

[witesoxfan]

However, the Sox got a shot to win the world series and they are actually making noise in the media and having a growing fan base

 

--I respect yu chisoxfan but if we have a shot to win the World

Series, then Oz should be fired cause our record sure

doesn't show that potential.

The Twins won 85 games in 1987...they won the World Series.

The Yankees won 87 games in 2000...they won the World Series.

The Mariners won 116 games in 2001...they didn't GET to the World Series. That same year, Oakland won 102 games...they didn't get out of the ALDS.

 

Your W-L record means s*** so long as you make the playoffs. You get to the playoffs, and you start over at 0-0 again. Period.

[Texsox]

But is having Johnson > Garcia + Everett?  Not trying to spin it either way, just wondering...

As fast as the Garcia extension went, I am certain the Sox knew, without tampering they could sign Garcia for a few more years. So I believe that should also be added into the total.

 

I prefer Garcia + new contract and Carl over Randy. The prospects we traded this year for Carl basically saved us $6 or $7 million. I would have expected Carl to win in arbitration.

[Texsox]

The Twins won 85 games in 1987...they won the World Series. 

The Yankees won 87 games in 2000...they won the World Series.

The Mariners won 116 games in 2001...they didn't GET to the World Series.  That same year, Oakland won 102 games...they didn't get out of the ALDS.

 

Your W-L record means s*** so long as you make the playoffs.  You get to the playoffs, and you start over at 0-0 again.  Period.

Sometimes I think it is a curse to take that many wins into the post season, in any sport. Getting to the playoffs healthy, with a rested pitching staff, is far more important.

[elrockinMT]

carl is a good addition, obviously, but i find it questionable to acquire the guy (just ONE guy) before the deadline in back-to-back years and give up players both times.

 

what was the contract he signed with montreal last year?

Let's hope we didn't give up 5 prospects too many in dealing for Carl twice. If we win then of course it's a great trade. Lose and you have to wonder what was 2003 and 2004 all about anyway?