southsider2k5 Posted July 22, 2004 Author Share Posted July 22, 2004 All right, all right.... Like I said it wasn't a really big deal. Friday as I was walking to the train, I passed by the Sears Tower on Jackson as usual. The Democratic National Committee people were out asking donations as they have been all over downtown for a while now. One of them had an obviously homeless person they were talking too. You could tell he was obviously mentally ill also, both by the way he spoke and acted. The guy had a hand full of change and a couple, few one dollar bills, and he asked the DNC girl " Is one dollar enough?" The girls reply was "Well two or three would be better". I just couldn't believe the DNC was using the homeless/mentally ill for a just few dollars. I was hoping someone else saw or heard that happen as well, so it would seem like I was making something like that up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted July 22, 2004 Share Posted July 22, 2004 All right, all right.... Like I said it wasn't a really big deal. Friday as I was walking to the train, I passed by the Sears Tower on Jackson as usual. The Democratic National Committee people were out asking donations as they have been all over downtown for a while now. One of them had an obviously homeless person they were talking too. You could tell he was obviously mentally ill also, both by the way he spoke and acted. The guy had a hand full of change and a couple, few one dollar bills, and he asked the DNC girl " Is one dollar enough?" The girls reply was "Well two or three would be better". I just couldn't believe the DNC was using the homeless/mentally ill for a just few dollars. I was hoping someone else saw or heard that happen as well, so it would seem like I was making something like that up. I acnnot believe a Republican was donating to the Dems The mentaly ill need to feel a part of the system Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BridgeportHeather Posted July 22, 2004 Share Posted July 22, 2004 All right, all right.... Like I said it wasn't a really big deal. Friday as I was walking to the train, I passed by the Sears Tower on Jackson as usual. The Democratic National Committee people were out asking donations as they have been all over downtown for a while now. One of them had an obviously homeless person they were talking too. You could tell he was obviously mentally ill also, both by the way he spoke and acted. The guy had a hand full of change and a couple, few one dollar bills, and he asked the DNC girl " Is one dollar enough?" The girls reply was "Well two or three would be better". I just couldn't believe the DNC was using the homeless/mentally ill for a just few dollars. I was hoping someone else saw or heard that happen as well, so it would seem like I was making something like that up. That's downright WRONG! I woulda slapped her for doing that. You don't take from ANYONE, especially the homeless! Politicians already have enough money!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlliniKrush Posted July 22, 2004 Share Posted July 22, 2004 That's sad, and wrong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted July 22, 2004 Share Posted July 22, 2004 That's downright WRONG! I woulda slapped her for doing that. You don't take from ANYONE, especially the homeless! Politicians already have enough money!!! Hmmm, if you are homeless you should not donate to the candidate you best feel could help your situation? If, for example, the current Mayor, Senator, whatever cut the program you were working on, wouldn't you want to get involved and help in anyway? Perhaps tossing in a buck or three helped their self esteem. What would the alternative be? "Oh I'm sorry you cannot donate because you are homeless and we have to tell you how to spend your money."? It's a can't win proposition. I have often heard that the poor are the most generous to charities by percentage of income. Plus Nuke will tell you he was just going to buy a fifth of cheap wine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted July 22, 2004 Share Posted July 22, 2004 Don't worry, the money will go back to em later near election time when they buy the guy some booze to go vote Kerry. Sorry, I just had to say it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BridgeportHeather Posted July 22, 2004 Share Posted July 22, 2004 Hmmm, if you are homeless you should not donate to the candidate you best feel could help your situation? If, for example, the current Mayor, Senator, whatever cut the program you were working on, wouldn't you want to get involved and help in anyway? Perhaps tossing in a buck or three helped their self esteem. What would the alternative be? "Oh I'm sorry you cannot donate because you are homeless and we have to tell you how to spend your money."? It's a can't win proposition. I have often heard that the poor are the most generous to charities by percentage of income. Plus Nuke will tell you he was just going to buy a fifth of cheap wine But he said that she asked for more money than he was originally going to give her!!! To do that to especially someone of his state is completely wrong!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 22, 2004 Author Share Posted July 22, 2004 Hmmm, if you are homeless you should not donate to the candidate you best feel could help your situation? If, for example, the current Mayor, Senator, whatever cut the program you were working on, wouldn't you want to get involved and help in anyway? Perhaps tossing in a buck or three helped their self esteem. What would the alternative be? "Oh I'm sorry you cannot donate because you are homeless and we have to tell you how to spend your money."? It's a can't win proposition. I have often heard that the poor are the most generous to charities by percentage of income. Plus Nuke will tell you he was just going to buy a fifth of cheap wine Keep in mind that these are DNC employees/volunteers who are soliciting donations, and not someone going into their local democratic HQ and making a donation. We are also talking about people who can be very easily manipulated(being the mentally ill part of it). If you tell someone who doesn't get it, that they need to give money or else something horrible will happen, they probably will. (not that I am saying that is what happened, I didn't hear the sales pitch to this particular person. Just that a person who doesn't have a full mental capacity is easier to manipulate) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted July 22, 2004 Share Posted July 22, 2004 Keep in mind that these are DNC employees/volunteers who are soliciting donations, and not someone going into their local democratic HQ and making a donation. We are also talking about people who can be very easily manipulated(being the mentally ill part of it). If you tell someone who doesn't get it, that they need to give money or else something horrible will happen, they probably will. (not that I am saying that is what happened, I didn't hear the sales pitch to this particular person. Just that a person who doesn't have a full mental capacity is easier to manipulate) I should have been clearer, I was addressing the poor/homeless, not the mentally ill. The mentally ill will start me on government policies that have released these people into the population when they are not capable of making simple monetary decisions. How can these people survive when they cannot make a decision to give $3 to a political cause? Shouldn't we be more concerned about their ability to get a job, apartment, and feed themselves? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted July 22, 2004 Share Posted July 22, 2004 But he said that she asked for more money than he was originally going to give her!!! To do that to especially someone of his state is completely wrong!!! Heather, how is this person feeding themself, finding a job, etc? Should society let these people wander around if they are incapable of making a $3 decision? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlliniKrush Posted July 22, 2004 Share Posted July 22, 2004 Hmmm, if you are homeless you should not donate to the candidate you best feel could help your situation? If, for example, the current Mayor, Senator, whatever cut the program you were working on, wouldn't you want to get involved and help in anyway? Perhaps tossing in a buck or three helped their self esteem. What would the alternative be? "Oh I'm sorry you cannot donate because you are homeless and we have to tell you how to spend your money."? It's a can't win proposition. I have often heard that the poor are the most generous to charities by percentage of income. Plus Nuke will tell you he was just going to buy a fifth of cheap wine Cmon Tex Those 2-3 bucks are way more valuable to the homeless person than they are to the DNC. To try to say you are helping your situation by donating is way off. If the guy is homeless, he needs all the money he can get. DNC will survive without taking mentally handicapped people's money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlliniKrush Posted July 22, 2004 Share Posted July 22, 2004 Heather, how is this person feeding themself, finding a job, etc? Should society let these people wander around if they are incapable of making a $3 decision? "No, so we'll just take the little money they do have" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BridgeportHeather Posted July 22, 2004 Share Posted July 22, 2004 "No, so we'll just take the little money they do have" IlliniKrush took the words out of my mouth, but just said it a little better than I would. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted July 22, 2004 Share Posted July 22, 2004 Cmon Tex Those 2-3 bucks are way more valuable to the homeless person than they are to the DNC. To try to say you are helping your situation by donating is way off. If the guy is homeless, he needs all the money he can get. DNC will survive without taking mentally handicapped people's money. Maybe to this guy, it was way more valuable to again feel he was a member of society? Perhaps the campaign worker showed the same enthusiasm for this man's $3 donation as the $50 donation from the man in the $3000 suit. I don't know, I don't know why this man appeared to be homeless and crazy. I just know in my heart refusing a donation can harm someone as much as accepting it. Imagine if you went up to the Salvation Army bell ringer, they looked at your jacket, and said keep your money, buy a coat. How does that make the guy feel? I'm sorry I can only accept donations from guys in suits carrying briefcases? You're homeless, I cannot take your money. I would rather have read that the DNC worker helped the man to a shelter or program where he could have gotten help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlliniKrush Posted July 22, 2004 Share Posted July 22, 2004 IIRC, he asked if one dollar was enough. Not 3. She asked for more. She didn't refuse his donation whatsoever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BridgeportHeather Posted July 22, 2004 Share Posted July 22, 2004 How does that make the guy feel? I'm sorry I can only accept donations from guys in suits carrying briefcases? You're homeless, I cannot take your money. THE WOMAN WAS ASKING FOR MORE MONEY THAN HE WAS WILLING TO PART WITH!!!!! I have nothing wrong with allowing individuals of that state to donate, but DO NOT ask for more than they are willing to give!!!! THAT is wrong! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted July 22, 2004 Share Posted July 22, 2004 THE WOMAN WAS ASKING FOR MORE MONEY THAN HE WAS WILLING TO PART WITH!!!!! I have nothing wrong with allowing individuals of that state to donate, but DO NOT ask for more than they are willing to give!!!! THAT is wrong! Is it wrong to ask anyone to spend more, or just the homeless? Every car salesman, realtor, retail clerk, etc. routinly asks for more than someone is wanting to spend. Should we only protect the homeless from this? Tell them not to visit retail stores? Are you proposing that you are better able to determine what every homeless person can spend their money on? Oh, the poor homeless man cannot make a decision. If he cannot make this decision he should be off the streets. He cannot take care of himself and must be protected. Why isn't anyone fighting that fight? How is this guy going to support himself if he cannot make a $2 decision? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlliniKrush Posted July 22, 2004 Share Posted July 22, 2004 It's wrong either way, but extremely wrong to ask a homeless person for more money Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 22, 2004 Author Share Posted July 22, 2004 Is it wrong to ask anyone to spend more, or just the homeless? Every car salesman, realtor, retail clerk, etc. routinly asks for more than someone is wanting to spend. Should we only protect the homeless from this? Tell them not to visit retail stores? Are you proposing that you are better able to determine what every homeless person can spend their money on? Oh, the poor homeless man cannot make a decision. If he cannot make this decision he should be off the streets. He cannot take care of himself and must be protected. Why isn't anyone fighting that fight? How is this guy going to support himself if he cannot make a $2 decision? Actually the mentally ill part is probably why he is on the streets. Unless they are a danger to others or themselves, you can't hold someone against their will. And i t could be a big reason that they are on the street is because they don't have the capacity to make a $2 decesion. Granted I am not saying that is why everyone is homeless. It could be anything from bad luck, to drug abuse, to not wanting to live by societies rules, to mental illness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted July 22, 2004 Share Posted July 22, 2004 It's wrong either way, but extremely wrong to ask a homeless person for more money Am I the only one that thinks someone who is incapable of making a $2 decision should not be out on the streets? How will be able to get a job, pay rent, go to Wrigley? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 22, 2004 Author Share Posted July 22, 2004 Am I the only one that thinks someone who is incapable of making a $2 decision should not be out on the streets? How will be able to get a job, pay rent, go to Wrigley? Just because someone lacks basic economic skills doesn't mean you can keep them off of the streets. You cannot hold someone against their will, unless they are a treat or danger to others or themselves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted July 22, 2004 Share Posted July 22, 2004 Just because someone lacks basic economic skills doesn't mean you can keep them off of the streets. You cannot hold someone against their will, unless they are a treat or danger to others or themselves. But not being capable of $2 decisions will keep them on the streets and I think society should be helping these people in whatever way necessary. I believe you meant threat to others Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 22, 2004 Author Share Posted July 22, 2004 But not being capable of $2 decisions will keep them on the streets and I think society should be helping these people in whatever way necessary. I believe you meant threat to others Hey for once it wasn't the evil misquoter at work. Yeah it is supposed to be threat. Somehow I missed that H on the keyboard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Honda Civic Posted July 22, 2004 Share Posted July 22, 2004 maybe he was a politically active mentally ill/homeless person... He knows that Democrats tend to put more funding into programs that would benefit him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlliniKrush Posted July 22, 2004 Share Posted July 22, 2004 Am I the only one that thinks someone who is incapable of making a $2 decision should not be out on the streets? How will be able to get a job, pay rent, go to Wrigley? Now you are arguing something totally different.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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