Butter Parque Posted July 22, 2004 Share Posted July 22, 2004 That was a great outing tonight by MB, he was dominant. Anyway, I was watching BBT and Peter Gammons mentioned all of the contenders for Kris Benson's services and I was shocked that the chisox weren't in it. I've watched this guys last few starts and he has looked unbelievable. His stuff looks great and that breaking ball he has is nasty. It looks like the twinkies are possibley the fron-runners in the Benson sweepstakes. KW can not let them get him. He would definitely solidify the rotation and then...finally...I will be satisfied with the pitching. Maybe not, we still need bullpen help, but the rotation would be as solid as anyone. We would have Buehrle, Garcia, Benson, Loaiza and Garland in the rotation. Cotts would go down to AAA and Schoe would work in the bullpen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshPR Posted July 22, 2004 Share Posted July 22, 2004 That was a great outing tonight by MB, he was dominant. Anyway, I was watching BBT and Peter Gammons mentioned all of the contenders for Kris Benson's services and I was shocked that the chisox weren't in it. I've watched this guys last few starts and he has looked unbelievable. His stuff looks great and that breaking ball he has is nasty. It looks like the twinkies are possibley the fron-runners in the Benson sweepstakes. KW can not let them get him. He would definitely solidify the rotation and then...finally...I will be satisfied with the pitching. Maybe not, we still need bullpen help, but the rotation would be as solid as anyone. We would have Buehrle, Garcia, Benson, Loaiza and Garland in the rotation. Cotts would go down to AAA and Schoe would work in the bullpen. I saw him down here and pitched ok. Was 89-92 with the fastball and a good breaking ball. I just think that in the AL he would get pounded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goober Posted July 22, 2004 Share Posted July 22, 2004 pirates want too much. isn't it a major league ready player and a high prospect? :headshake Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted July 22, 2004 Share Posted July 22, 2004 pirates want too much. isn't it a major league ready player and a high prospect? :headshake Yup that's what has been said. They aren't going to get it though, I believe Bensons price tag will come way down close to the deadline. I'd love to get Benson he's been great lately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butter Parque Posted July 22, 2004 Author Share Posted July 22, 2004 I think we need him, I am very worried about Loaiza. It seems as though last year was a fluke. He has been are worst pitcher as of late. We also can't have Schoe staying in out rotation for the rest of the year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 22, 2004 Share Posted July 22, 2004 In all seriousness. With Scho looking healthy again, another starter is at least 3rd on our list behind another RH reliever and a C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted July 22, 2004 Share Posted July 22, 2004 I disagree with you ss. If esteban comes back and show he's capable of atleast being a number 3 starter then another starting pitcher wouldn't even be needed but right now I'm very worried about Esteban and if he can't get back to atleast be a solid pitcher then another starting pitcher might be needed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
venezuelansoxfan Posted July 22, 2004 Share Posted July 22, 2004 I disagree with you ss. If esteban comes back and show he's capable of atleast being a number 3 starter then another starting pitcher wouldn't even be needed but right now I'm very worried about Esteban and if he can't get back to atleast be a solid pitcher then another starting pitcher might be needed. I agree with you. Esteban hasn't been solid as last year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 22, 2004 Share Posted July 22, 2004 I disagree with you ss. If esteban comes back and show he's capable of atleast being a number 3 starter then another starting pitcher wouldn't even be needed but right now I'm very worried about Esteban and if he can't get back to atleast be a solid pitcher then another starting pitcher might be needed. ELo is scaring me right now. But I still think he is much more servicable than our pen after Pollite, Shingo, Marte, and relatively better than our catching trio. If Elo is indeed a 4.50 era starter that is fine. We have the offense to make up for that. But we really do need to look for another reliever and a real starting catcher. Sandy is one of the smartest in the biz, but his knees can't handle 4 starts a week. Burke and Davis just aren't going to cut it. And as for the pen, do you really want to see Jackson, Cotts, or Adkins in the game at an important junction? I didn't think so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted July 22, 2004 Share Posted July 22, 2004 ELo is scaring me right now. But I still think he is much more servicable than our pen after Pollite, Shingo, Marte, and relatively better than our catching trio. If Elo is indeed a 4.50 era starter that is fine. We have the offense to make up for that. But we really do need to look for another reliever and a real starting catcher. Sandy is one of the smartest in the biz, but his knees can't handle 4 starts a week. Burke and Davis just aren't going to cut it. And as for the pen, do you really want to see Jackson, Cotts, or Adkins in the game at an important junction? I didn't think so. I agree with you, something has to be done about the catching. Sandy has a AARP card, Davis hits worse than most pitchers, and Burke , although he has had a couple of big hits this season, is not a even a slight below average offensive catcher. With Burke or Davis in the line up, its almost as if the Sox are playing NL rules and batting the pitcher. Maybe Davis will turn it around, he has had stretches of success, but I'm not going to hold my breath. A catcher and middle reliever or even a closer like Guardado would be my preferences. Many question Benson's make up, they question whether he will be able the handle media in a bigger city or handle the pressure of a pennant race. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted July 22, 2004 Share Posted July 22, 2004 ELo is scaring me right now. But I still think he is much more servicable than our pen after Pollite, Shingo, Marte, and relatively better than our catching trio. If Elo is indeed a 4.50 era starter that is fine. We have the offense to make up for that. But we really do need to look for another reliever and a real starting catcher. Sandy is one of the smartest in the biz, but his knees can't handle 4 starts a week. Burke and Davis just aren't going to cut it. And as for the pen, do you really want to see Jackson, Cotts, or Adkins in the game at an important junction? I didn't think so. I'd love to get Jason Kendall but I don't think we need a number 1 catcher. Sandy is still a solid hitting catcher but like you said there's no way he can handle playing 4 days a week. Burke and Davis are bad but atleast they both call good games and can handle a pitching staff. However I agree with you on the bullpen, I'm fine having cotts in the pen to take on a lefty and I'm fine with Adkins being the mop up guy but Mike Jackson needs to be replaced. I think getting another reliever should be the number one goal for this club but another starting pitcher would also be very helpful. I don't want to look forward to the playoffs since we all know it's far from a lock that we get there but if we do get in there would you want to throw Garland or Loaiza out there in game 3? If esteban turns it around and becomes some what dependable we're set but if he doesn't I think we might be in some trouble. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danman31 Posted July 22, 2004 Share Posted July 22, 2004 Yup that's what has been said. They aren't going to get it though, I believe Bensons price tag will come way down close to the deadline. I'd love to get Benson he's been great lately. It won't come down much if at all. Once the Randy Johnson fiasco clears up (either he gets traded or he doesn't), Benson is the best pitcher available. We all know what that cost us for Garcia.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoomSlowik Posted July 22, 2004 Share Posted July 22, 2004 I got a bad feeling about Benson. I want nothing to do with him. His ERA is 4.13 and a WHIP of 1.35. Those are both pretty high for a guy who is supposed to put a contender over the top. Plus those are sure to go up for one major reason: moving from the NL to the AL-no more pitcher for the easy out and better all around lineups. If we get him it would be even worse because we play in a good hitters park. I just have visions of Todd Ritchie- mediocre NL pitcher moving to the AL and getting crushed. I'd certainly not give up a major leaguer/major league ready player and a top prospect to get him. I almost want to see him go to the Twins, they'd lose some of their talented young hitters, they still don't have the greatest rotation, and they probably wouldn't resign him. They got a lot of players that are going to be due for free agency/arbitration at the end of the year, so I doubt they would make any kind of commitment in talent or money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wedge Posted July 22, 2004 Share Posted July 22, 2004 I'm probably going to eat crow for this... but I don't think any major starting pitcher gets moved before the deadline, with the possible exception of Kevin Milwood for another starter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted July 22, 2004 Share Posted July 22, 2004 I'm probably going to eat crow for this... but I don't think any major starting pitcher gets moved before the deadline, with the possible exception of Kevin Milwood for another starter. I do think Benson will be moved. Whether you consider him major or not. Another name to look out for is Tony Armas...I mentioned him in another thread, and I think some team will get him and either try to make him into a playoff starter and just hope that he puts it all together and pitches well or they use him out of the pen down the stretch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JimH Posted July 22, 2004 Share Posted July 22, 2004 Guys, I would bet there will be other pitchers available within the next 10 days. The Sox have been said to be looking for bullpen help and are open to an upgrade at just about any position. The good news is, Rowand is playing with a ton of confidence right now and it appears an upgrade in CF isn't necessary (Aaron can keep CF warm for Brian Anderson in 2006 ). As for catching, I still think Ben Davis is trade bait. Ozzie wants to carry 3 catchers and he loves Burke, plus Burke can play a couple of other positions. If Davis gets moved in another deal, the Sox could pick up another catcher as a backup fairly easily. Williams will definitely try to get a bullpen arm first IMO. I would also not be shocked if he does something at 3B, Crede looks absolutely lost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wedge Posted July 22, 2004 Share Posted July 22, 2004 Yeah, I don't think Benson goes unless it's for a major league player and a high minor leaguer. The Pirates think he might be the next Jason Schmidt, and won't part with him unless they get a lot back for him. I have the feeling that the Pirates will stand firm on their demands and that nobody will pay the price (although maybe they should). By the way, witesoxfan, I do consider Benson a major pitching move. I think the biggest indictment on Randy Johnson going anywhere is that Colangelo is now in Rome (I believe until the deadline). There isn't a team that has the talent to land him that he will waive his clause for. He may move, but I don't consider Armas major. I think, however, there is a real possibility of Milwood moving (potentially in a deal for another embattled starter such as Derrek Lowe [aside: maybe for Esteban?]), but his great start last night against the Fish makes that less likely. Other than that, if KW gets either a catcher or a BP guy who is good, we're in great shape. If he gets Mesa AND Kendall from the Pirates... oh boy... I'll need to change my shorts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butter Parque Posted July 22, 2004 Author Share Posted July 22, 2004 Pitching and defense is what's gonna win it in the playoffs. WE can't go into the playoffs with Este as our #3 starter. You saw what he did in those crucial games in september against the twins. He absolutely stunk. I have no confidence in him in the playoffs. I do however, think that Joe Crede is inline for a big last two months. It only takes one game to get you going. If we get a guy like Benson or even Miguel Batista, I feel confident that those guys can give us quality starts in the postseason. Batista has the experience and Benson has the stuff. One or two arms out of the bullpen is a must. I would like a guy like Guardado and Mota, but now I'm dreaming. Those two would put us IMO in better shape with our bullpen then QuanGorMo in NY. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wedge Posted July 22, 2004 Share Posted July 22, 2004 Pitching and defense is what's gonna win it in the playoffs. WE can't go into the playoffs with Este as our #3 starter. You saw what he did in those crucial games in september against the twins. He absolutely stunk. I have no confidence in him in the playoffs. I do however, think that Joe Crede is inline for a big last two months. It only takes one game to get you going. If we get a guy like Benson or even Miguel Batista, I feel confident that those guys can give us quality starts in the postseason. Batista has the experience and Benson has the stuff. One or two arms out of the bullpen is a must. I would like a guy like Guardado and Mota, but now I'm dreaming. Those two would put us IMO in better shape with our bullpen then QuanGorMo in NY. I think if we make it to October, that Jon Garland is going to surprise us all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RibbieRubarb Posted July 22, 2004 Share Posted July 22, 2004 I think if we make it to October, that Jon Garland is going to surprise us all. Is he planning on doing a magic trick? Winning the nobel prize? What? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted July 22, 2004 Share Posted July 22, 2004 Is he planning on doing a magic trick? Winning the nobel prize? What? Maybe he can make Mike Jackson disappear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wedge Posted July 22, 2004 Share Posted July 22, 2004 Is he planning on doing a magic trick? Winning the nobel prize? What? Well, yes. And then he'll fly back in and pull out a 2002 Jarod Washburn impression. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
israel4ever Posted July 22, 2004 Share Posted July 22, 2004 I'd want Benson, cuz he's a definite upgrade over what we have. Don't get carried away by Shoney's last start...he sucks! The AL seems to be on to Loiaza and his cutter...I don't know how gung ho I'd be about re-signing him. If you have Buehrle, Garcia and Benson at the top of your rotation, you'd have as good a 1-2-3 as anyone in MLB. Send Pittsburgh Crede and a "prospect"! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RibbieRubarb Posted July 22, 2004 Share Posted July 22, 2004 I'd want Benson, cuz he's a definite upgrade over what we have. Don't get carried away by Shoney's last start...he sucks! The AL seems to be on to Loiaza and his cutter...I don't know how gung ho I'd be about re-signing him. If you have Buehrle, Garcia and Benson at thop of your rotation, you'd have as good a 1-2-3 as anyone in MLB. Send Pittsburgh Crede and a "prospect"! If you have Buehrle, Garcia and Benson at thop of your rotation, you'd have as good a 1-2-3 as anyone in MLB. Really?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
israel4ever Posted July 22, 2004 Share Posted July 22, 2004 Maybe he can make Mike Jackson disappear. ...and Jon Adkins too!!! BTW...Hey Ozzie...BRING BACK KELLY WUNSCH!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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