Wong & Owens Posted July 22, 2004 Share Posted July 22, 2004 I was especially intrigued by #3. http://msn.foxsports.com/story/2579652?GT1=4244 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kapkomet Posted July 22, 2004 Share Posted July 22, 2004 I read that this morning too. Boy it's an interesting way to look at it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goldmember Posted July 22, 2004 Share Posted July 22, 2004 #10-- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlliniKrush Posted July 22, 2004 Share Posted July 22, 2004 #3 could be the dumbest thing i've ever read Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wong & Owens Posted July 22, 2004 Author Share Posted July 22, 2004 #3 could be the dumbest thing i've ever read Why? It makes sense to me. One of the guys on the radio(Dan McNeil, I think) always complained that Gretzky was overrated because he didn't transcend the game ala Michael Jordan, and that he didn't really make the players around him better. With this stat analysis to go along with that, it sounds right to me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queen Prawn Posted July 22, 2004 Share Posted July 22, 2004 It makes sense to me. One of the guys on the radio(Dan McNeil, I think) always complained that Gretzky was overrated because he didn't transcend the game ala Michael Jordan, and that he didn't really make the players around him better. With this stat analysis to go along with that, it sounds right to me Ditto. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlliniKrush Posted July 22, 2004 Share Posted July 22, 2004 Because he didn't backcheck enough? Give me a break. Yeah, Lemieux plays some hard core D as well. Arguments about "transcending the game" and "making guys around you better" are hard arguments to defend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilJester99 Posted July 22, 2004 Share Posted July 22, 2004 I tell you one thing. I would have loved to see Mario healthy his whole career and see how he and Wayne would have stacked up so all these people could stop this what if BS. Gretz is the man. Get over it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted July 22, 2004 Share Posted July 22, 2004 One man's opinion . . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiff Posted July 22, 2004 Share Posted July 22, 2004 I would say Gretzky transcended the game, but I don't know about making the people around him better. The Rangers never won crap when he was there. The Willis Reed thing is definitely a myth, as is the "If I don't get it, it sucks." one. I've been railing against that attitude forever, which is why you always see me jumping in on the Nascar threads even though I am not a huge fan of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queen Prawn Posted July 22, 2004 Share Posted July 22, 2004 as is the "If I don't get it, it sucks." one. I've been railing against that attitude forever, which is why you always seem me jumping in on the Nascar threads even though I am not a huge fan of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlliniKrush Posted July 22, 2004 Share Posted July 22, 2004 Well i'll knock his argument by saying that the plus/minus stat is about as overrated as a pitcher's win stat, for those of you who don't follow hockey as much as baseball. Using plus/minus to knock Gretzky is a joke. I will say this. A healthy Lemieux may have challenged Gretzky for greatest player, but he hasn't been able to stay healthy in a few different ways, which is a shame. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
israel4ever Posted July 22, 2004 Share Posted July 22, 2004 Wayne Gretzky saved the NHL! Nobody cared at all about NHL, and the league was in danger of dying. When Wayne came along, people became (re)interested in hockey. (This is the same as when the NBA was dying until Larry and Magic came along. Prior to that, I remember NBA playoffs being shown on tape delay.) Wayne transcended the sport...I say he is the best hockey player of all time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 22, 2004 Share Posted July 22, 2004 7. You have to have played the game at a high level to fully understand it If this were true, Elgin Baylor and Michael Jordan would be the greatest executives in NBA history. If this were true, Al Michaels wouldn't always have a better grasp of what's going on in a football game than the jocks he's shared the booth with. And Bill James would not have changed the way a new generation of GMs puts together a baseball roster. I hate this arguement too. It is complete and utter BS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlliniKrush Posted July 22, 2004 Share Posted July 22, 2004 I hate this arguement too. It is complete and utter BS I think playing the game helps, even if it's just some travel or high school experience. But it isn't necessity, i guess Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 22, 2004 Share Posted July 22, 2004 I think playing the game helps, even if it's just some travel or high school experience. But it isn't necessity, i guess It can help sure. But it doesn't automatically mean someone who didn't doesn't know what they are talking about. Or that someone who did play, has any clue what they are talking about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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