SoxAce Posted July 23, 2004 Share Posted July 23, 2004 I agree with Ritchie Allen 100% on Harris. Sure, he may get to first base, and every now and then, he'll get to second base on his own. He only has, I'm pretty sure, 10 swipes, not nearly as much as he should, and has absolutely no power and doesn't drive in a whole lot of runs. My 2 cents. Here's my 2 cents. Why in the f*** do you want him to hit for power? We already have Lee, Kong, Everett, Crede, Rowand, Valentin (hell, even Uribe) who have all the pop to hit homers and drive in runs. Guys like Willie, Timo isto get on base. It's that simple. A leadoff hitter's job is to get on base. As I already posted Willie has 5 walks to only 1 strikeout in his last 4 games. The only knock on him is he's not running enough. I'm very happy to see a Rowand/Lee/Kong hit a 2 or a 3 run bomb when he's on base or hit a sac. fly when he's onbase. That's his job. Not to hit homeruns, not to drive in runs, but to get on base, and to score on whoever's driving him in.... Just my 2 cents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pastime Posted July 23, 2004 Share Posted July 23, 2004 One of the big reasons the Sox are a winning team is because the team can usually outscore/outslug the opposition. Maggs and Frank gone REALLY hurts the offense. After what Maggs' doctor said, I don't think he'll be back this year. He won't be able to walk for a month, and he has a lot of bleeding in his knee. Ugh. I just hope Kenny goes out and acquires a decent hitter and a high-quality reliever. Then we'll just roll the dice and see if we roll some "7's" for the rest of the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pastime Posted July 23, 2004 Share Posted July 23, 2004 To somewhat add to SoxAce's post, we don't need another "bopper," we need someone who is a decent OPS guy who can get on base for the other guys to knock in. Oh yeah, I'd prefer a lefty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted July 23, 2004 Share Posted July 23, 2004 To somewhat add to SoxAce's post, we don't need another "bopper," we need someone who is a decent OPS guy who can get on base for the other guys to knock in. Oh yeah, I'd prefer a lefty. Finley would be great and should not cost us much at all to get him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted July 23, 2004 Share Posted July 23, 2004 that said, i wouldn't mind a bopper if he hits for high avg and can walk... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bighurt52235 Posted July 23, 2004 Share Posted July 23, 2004 Here's my 2 cents. Why in the f*** do you want him to hit for power? We already have Lee, Kong, Everett, Crede, Rowand, Valentin (hell, even Uribe) who have all the pop to hit homers and drive in runs. Guys like Willie, Timo isto get on base. It's that simple. A leadoff hitter's job is to get on base. As I already posted Willie has 5 walks to only 1 strikeout in his last 4 games. The only knock on him is he's not running enough. I'm very happy to see a Rowand/Lee/Kong hit a 2 or a 3 run bomb when he's on base or hit a sac. fly when he's onbase. That's his job. Not to hit homeruns, not to drive in runs, but to get on base, and to score on whoever's driving him in.... Just my 2 cents. I'm not saying I WANT him to hit for power, I'm just saying that he doesn't bring that, at all, most leadoof hitters have the ability to go out of the yard, he doesn't. How many RBI's does he have? 14. OPS? .680! And he has only scored 40 runs. Not too special... Also, only 4 sac bunts on the year. I think the most important thing is that he has only 10 SB's in only 13 attempts, which is, I will use the word BAD, for his type of player. Who can dispute that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pastime Posted July 23, 2004 Share Posted July 23, 2004 And Finley does have power, which is an added bonus. However, Finley's agent keeps saying that he wants to go to San Diego really bad since they are winning, and he loved the city when he played there. In response, I would explain to him that Chicago is a better place to be. We play in "The Cell" - they play in "The Litterbox." They have the Pacific Ocean - we have Lake Michigan. They have flounder and kelp salad - we have pizza, beef sammiches, and polish sausages. Their fans are wishy-washy - our fans are rabid and passionate. They have tall buildings - we have SKYSCRAPERS. They have surfers - we have architects and artists. Plus, our ballpark is MUCH MUCH more conducive to home runs, which would help a player who could beef up his stats AS HE GOES INTO HIS CONTRACT YEAR. It's pretty much an easy sell, quite frankly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted July 23, 2004 Share Posted July 23, 2004 Plus, we embrace old people. I mean, there aren't many people above the age of 38 in chicago that we hate. Jerry manuel ain't here anymore. Well, marriotti... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted July 23, 2004 Share Posted July 23, 2004 How many RBI's does he have? 14. OPS? .680! And he has only scored 40 runs. Not too special... Willie is not what you would call a star. He is a "solid" player. That's all we want in him. Eric Young has 0 homers for the Rangers, and Texas loves his production cause he gets on base. Now I've noticed that Willie is starting to get hot. Wait till another week or so when he has like a .280 or so average. I've already explained that he needs to steal more.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted July 23, 2004 Share Posted July 23, 2004 If willie hits .280 this year i am sure that is much better than anyone thought he would hit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bighurt52235 Posted July 24, 2004 Share Posted July 24, 2004 Do you consider .361 a good OBP? I'm not being fesescious (sp), that is a real question. For me, it depends on what kind of production he gives. A.319 SA with 14 RBI's and 10 steals is not quality production. I'm not asking Willie to be a star, but he is not really a "solid player" either. He is decent in several aspects of this game, but doesn't excell in any parts. Aaron Rowand, for example, is a solid player, but not a star. Also, 4 hits in the last 4 games (a very small sample, anyways) is not "getting hot". Ignore the .400 avg, its only out of 10 ABs. I do like the 5 walks, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted July 24, 2004 Share Posted July 24, 2004 If willie hits .280 this year i am sure that is much better than anyone thought he would hit. Hell, some people on the boards would have been happy if he would be hitting .250. He has a chance to finish between .270-.290 this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted July 24, 2004 Share Posted July 24, 2004 Willie's OBP is better than half the players on the team. (He's right around Carlos Lee) He's doing this n the leadoff spot which is good. He's walking more and he's K'ing less. And Aaron is a solid plyer yes. But he gt a chance to play more like he is now, he can be a star. Since May 25 he's hitting .350. That was when Maggs wen down. Aaron Rowand is a stud. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bighurt52235 Posted July 24, 2004 Share Posted July 24, 2004 Aaron Rowand is a stud. I completely agree with that, but as he is now, that is what I consider a "solid" player. If we could keep this up for a whole season, I don't think it would be a stretch to call him a star. He is certainly a future All-Star in my mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammerhead johnson Posted July 24, 2004 Share Posted July 24, 2004 Here's my 2 cents. Why in the f*** do you want him to hit for power? We already have Lee, Kong, Everett, Crede, Rowand, Valentin (hell, even Uribe) who have all the pop to hit homers and drive in runs. Guys like Willie, Timo isto get on base. It's that simple. A leadoff hitter's job is to get on base. As I already posted Willie has 5 walks to only 1 strikeout in his last 4 games. The only knock on him is he's not running enough. I'm very happy to see a Rowand/Lee/Kong hit a 2 or a 3 run bomb when he's on base or hit a sac. fly when he's onbase. That's his job. Not to hit homeruns, not to drive in runs, but to get on base, and to score on whoever's driving him in.... Just my 2 cents. I remember a few months back when you were saying that Willie Harris would hit close to 10 HR, and I told you that I'd be surprised if he hit 1 HR. My entire point was that he should be hitting the ball on the ground every single time. I can go retrieve the thread link if you want..... I'm glad to see that you've come around, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted July 24, 2004 Share Posted July 24, 2004 I will continue to defend Willie. When Willie gets constant playing time, Willie does good. He is also solid at 2nd base and smart on the paths. I wouldn't mind seeing Uribe, Willie and Rowand playing a lot, especially if Borchard struggles early on. Thats with Uribe at 2nd, Willie in CF, and Rowand in RF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted July 24, 2004 Share Posted July 24, 2004 I remember a few months back when you were saying that Willie Harris would hit close to 10 HR, and I told you that I'd be surprised if he hit 1 HR. My entire point was that he should be hitting the ball on the ground every single time. I can go retrieve the thread link if you want..... I'm glad to see that you've come around, though. I'm a man who can admit m wrongness.. But also remember saying 5-10 homers can be inside the park jobs.. You are correct so far but there's plenty of baseball left. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palehosefan Posted July 24, 2004 Share Posted July 24, 2004 I guess I'm the only one who thinks Ozzie could have been hinting that Luis Gonzales was available. That could be a good pick-up in my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yoda Posted July 24, 2004 Share Posted July 24, 2004 Holy s***! I forgot all about young Alomar. Kenny should try and get him. Though the question is, where would he play? But the offense would help this team out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilJester99 Posted July 24, 2004 Share Posted July 24, 2004 I don't think the Sox need Roberto Alomar. All he will do is take time away from Willie and Uribe. PASS!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodAsGould Posted July 24, 2004 Share Posted July 24, 2004 luiz gonzalez if im correct is going to have season ending surgery soon and is just playing until he gets it which will be sooner rather then later Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted July 24, 2004 Share Posted July 24, 2004 I don't think the Sox need Roberto Alomar. All he will do is take time away from Willie and Uribe. PASS!!! He is brought in to light a fire under Uribe, Harris, and even Crede's ass(not directly...if Alomar comes in and shows he can hit, and Uribe is hitting, no one says that Uribe can't play a little 3B). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted July 24, 2004 Share Posted July 24, 2004 luiz gonzalez if im correct is going to have season ending surgery soon and is just playing until he gets it which will be sooner rather then later Correct, and I believe he's having it on or after the July 31st deadline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxrd5 Posted July 24, 2004 Share Posted July 24, 2004 Call me crazy but has anyone entertained the option that the player easily available from the Dbacks is Brent Mayne? I mean we could use a quality veteran catcher...Just a thought... And I really dont want Alomar back here....I LOVE to watch Uribe field a baseball at 2B...hes so unorthadox yet OHHHH so effective.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beck72 Posted July 24, 2004 Share Posted July 24, 2004 Here's my take on a few things: 1] no to Robbie alomar. He isn't an upgrade over Willie or uribe. 2] Bautista? Not sure. Whoever the Sox get should be able to contribute if/when Maggs comes back, either in a position or from the bench. A solid OBP guy should be traded for though to help replace Maggs and Frank. 3] Harris is fine and will come back to hit .290-.300 for the season, with a .370 + OBP. The way he's seeing pitches, hitting LHP [that AB vs. Sabathia where he lined the 1B up the middle shows he can play everyday] and fielding, he deserves to be playing almost everyday. Uribe should be the utility IF giving guys a rest. Willie is tentative on the bases, but will get better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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