DBAHO Posted July 25, 2004 Share Posted July 25, 2004 Also a tidbit on Maggs in this article. One almost-certain Met target, Magglio Ordonez, is now a near sure thing to reach the free-agent market. Even before he re-injured his surgically repaired left knee and was possibly lost for the season, the White Sox had determined not to re-sign the right-fielder, a person familiar with their thinking said, because Ordonez believes he is worth in the Vladimir Guerrero range (five years, $71 million) and the Sox do not. Chicago believes it is better off spending the money earmarked for Ordonez on a few players. Despite their public claims to the contrary, the Mariners are listening to what is available for closer Eddie Guardado, and will deal lefty set-up men Mike Myers and Ron Villone. However, upper management has promised Jamie Moyer that Seattle will not try to deal him unless he expresses an interest in going elsewhere. That is bad news for the Yanks, who favor Moyer and Al Leiter if they're unable to land Randy Johnson. The White Sox, the most active team so far, are looking at Guardado among others in their quest to add another arm to either their bullpen or rotation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted July 25, 2004 Share Posted July 25, 2004 A league source said that Ron Villone is off the trade market. Villone has a 3.00 ERA and 1.30 WHIP for the Mariners, but we're not sure why he's so valuable to them that they wouldn't deal him. The Phillies were known to be interested. Jul. 25 - 7:48 am et Source: Philadelphia Inquirer Also from rotoworld. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHarris1 Posted July 25, 2004 Share Posted July 25, 2004 Guardado is #1 on my list. We need a 3rd very reliable arm and then to throw Politte out there our pen could go from average to great real fast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted July 25, 2004 Author Share Posted July 25, 2004 Guardado is #1 on my list. We need a 3rd very reliable arm and then to throw Politte out there our pen could go from average to great real fast. I think Guardado would be a great addition, and would fill probably the biggest need on this ballclub. The only reservation I have, is that would he automatically want to become the closer, or do we leave Shingo as the man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted July 25, 2004 Share Posted July 25, 2004 If we got guardado we would have have the best two left handed relief pitchers easily. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHarris1 Posted July 25, 2004 Share Posted July 25, 2004 I think Guardado would be a great addition, and would fill probably the biggest need on this ballclub. The only reservation I have, is that would he automatically want to become the closer, or do we leave Shingo as the man. Yeah we don't want someone b****ing to be the closer. That is not what we need. So unless we find out he would setup, stay away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted July 25, 2004 Share Posted July 25, 2004 I think Guardado would be a great addition, and would fill probably the biggest need on this ballclub. The only reservation I have, is that would he automatically want to become the closer, or do we leave Shingo as the man. Shingo has been studly but if we got guardado, from the sixth inning on we could go righty lefty righty lefty. Politte, marte, shingo, and guardado. That would be insane. I would keep shingo the closer but who knows what ozzie would do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ndgt10 Posted July 25, 2004 Share Posted July 25, 2004 Yeah we don't want someone b****ing to be the closer. That is not what we need. So unless we find out he would setup, stay away. That would be awesome if we could get him and not have him complain about being more of a setup man. Hopefully the chance to come to a contender instead of stay with a pile of s*** will convince him to do what is best for the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Socks Posted July 25, 2004 Share Posted July 25, 2004 So who are guys ready to say Bye-Bye to? Anderson, Sweeney, or BMac? 7 more days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JimH Posted July 25, 2004 Share Posted July 25, 2004 So who are guys ready to say Bye-Bye to? Anderson, Sweeney, or BMac? 7 more days. Jim, really, stuff a cork in it. We get it already. Did you read the thread about Garcia, right below this one? According to you, we could, and should, have pulled off that deal by offering nothing of what the Mariners wanted. Not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 25, 2004 Share Posted July 25, 2004 Call me silly, but I would rather get another right handed arm... Not that I would complain about Eddie, but I think a power righty arm would be perfect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted July 25, 2004 Share Posted July 25, 2004 Call me silly, but I would rather get another right handed arm... Not that I would complain about Eddie, but I think a power righty arm would be perfect. Wasn't that the argument the Sox had when the sent Wunsch down, that they had too many LH relievers? I'd take Eddie, his stats indicate better success against RH batters than LH this season. Of course, unless you are an All Star LH batter, you get pinch hit for when he is in the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted July 25, 2004 Share Posted July 25, 2004 I'd take Guardado in a heartbeat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thedoctor Posted July 25, 2004 Share Posted July 25, 2004 it's interesting. i've spent a fair amount of time stressing about maggs leaving in the offseason. but if he does leave, you have to figure the sox will have a nice chunk of change to spend on some parts. i'd guess you could add a fourth or fifth starter (i'm assuming loaiza is gone and diaz is in the rotation next year), an adequate outfield replacement and perhaps some more bullpen help. this team could be even better next year without maggs, although i'd still rather have him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted July 25, 2004 Share Posted July 25, 2004 Call me silly, but I would rather get another right handed arm... Not that I would complain about Eddie, but I think a power righty arm would be perfect. Ditto. I obviously wouldn't mind Eddie but I don't want Shingo taken out of the closers role. Eddie's era is really good but he's blown a ton of saves already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted July 25, 2004 Share Posted July 25, 2004 Jim, really, stuff a cork in it. We get it already. Did you read the thread about Garcia, right below this one? According to you, we could, and should, have pulled off that deal by offering nothing of what the Mariners wanted. Not. Agreed. Old Socks I thought you said you were going to stop doing that but I guess not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshPR Posted July 25, 2004 Share Posted July 25, 2004 Also a tidbit on Maggs in this article. One almost-certain Met target, Magglio Ordonez, is now a near sure thing to reach the free-agent market. Even before he re-injured his surgically repaired left knee and was possibly lost for the season, the White Sox had determined not to re-sign the right-fielder, a person familiar with their thinking said, because Ordonez believes he is worth in the Vladimir Guerrero range (five years, $71 million) and the Sox do not. Chicago believes it is better off spending the money earmarked for Ordonez on a few players. Despite their public claims to the contrary, the Mariners are listening to what is available for closer Eddie Guardado, and will deal lefty set-up men Mike Myers and Ron Villone. However, upper management has promised Jamie Moyer that Seattle will not try to deal him unless he expresses an interest in going elsewhere. That is bad news for the Yanks, who favor Moyer and Al Leiter if they're unable to land Randy Johnson. The White Sox, the most active team so far, are looking at Guardado among others in their quest to add another arm to either their bullpen or rotation. Ny Post :puke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
upnorthsox Posted July 25, 2004 Share Posted July 25, 2004 Call me silly, but I would rather get another right handed arm... Not that I would complain about Eddie, but I think a power righty arm would be perfect. If you're talking about an average reliever then yea I'd prefer a RHer too but I'll take quality over situationalism anyday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
upnorthsox Posted July 25, 2004 Share Posted July 25, 2004 Ditto. I obviously wouldn't mind Eddie but I don't want Shingo taken out of the closers role. Eddie's era is really good but he's blown a ton of saves already. How many is a ton? 5? In only one of those did he give more than 1 run and in 3 of the 5 it was in his 2nd inning when they scored. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted July 25, 2004 Share Posted July 25, 2004 Eddie has been pretty awesome this year, 5 blown saves and all, and I'd love him in the pen. However, at this point, Shingo is the closer until proven otherwise (hopefully he doesn't prove otherwise). If he is willing to come in and be a setup man, then fine. Once again, I think the Sox are thin on prospects, so to me, they are going to have to figure out what deal is the best one to make and go for that one, imo, and then take up a secondary (not quite as big of a name player) for the other trade. Thats if they are going to make a few more deals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxman352000 Posted July 25, 2004 Share Posted July 25, 2004 I really lie having a guy like Eddie as a back up in the bull pen it would give us another reliable arm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cali Posted July 25, 2004 Share Posted July 25, 2004 We can't get Guardado, he'll cheat and give up hits intentionally to his ex-Twins teammates!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammerhead johnson Posted July 25, 2004 Share Posted July 25, 2004 If we got guardado we would have have the best two left handed relief pitchers easily. We'd have two of the five best left-handed relievers in the majors if we were to land Guardado. That's 40% of the league's five best left-handed relievers in a 30 team league! That, my friends, is a major strength come playoff time. I'm just pissed that Guardado wasn't involved in the Garcia trade. I'd have thrown in Cotts and someone else.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted July 25, 2004 Share Posted July 25, 2004 We'd have two of the five best left-handed relievers in the majors if we were to land Guardado. That's 40% of the league's five best left-handed relievers in a 30 team league! That, my friends, is a major strength come playoff time. I'm just pissed that Guardado wasn't involved in the Garcia trade. I'd have thrown in Cotts and someone else.... What i meant it that we would be the only team with to stud lefties. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammerhead johnson Posted July 25, 2004 Share Posted July 25, 2004 What i meant it that we would be the only team with to stud lefties. Yes indeed....a huge, huge advantage in the playoffs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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