Rowand44 Posted July 28, 2004 Share Posted July 28, 2004 I hate to say it, but Corpseball is BACK.................... Meh, I wouldn't go that far. I think everyone expected Johan to dominate the guy is a stud and he's on one hell of a hot streak. Sure these first two games have definitely been ugly but I wouldn't say that it's corpseball, more of good pitching. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 28, 2004 Share Posted July 28, 2004 I hate to say it, but Corpseball is BACK.................... Take the Twins two best hitters out of the line up and see how they look. Hell they don't have two hitters anywhere near Frank and Maggs. They were missing Shannon Stewart and Doug M and we kicked this s*** out of them last series. It isn't corpseball, it is a team without its superstars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kapkomet Posted July 28, 2004 Share Posted July 28, 2004 I don't disagree that the Sox are firing blanks right now because of those injuries... BUT... to lose is one thing, to lose like they're losing... UGH. That's why I said that. I don't mind when a team loses, but scrap, make the plays you can... it seems like the Sox aren't thinking too well right now. Maybe, just maybe, though, this does say how much this team needs Frank and/or Maggs... you think mamagement realizes this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 28, 2004 Share Posted July 28, 2004 I don't disagree that the Sox are firing blanks right now because of those injuries... BUT... to lose is one thing, to lose like they're losing... UGH. That's why I said that. I don't mind when a team loses, but scrap, make the plays you can... it seems like the Sox aren't thinking too well right now. Maybe, just maybe, though, this does say how much this team needs Frank and/or Maggs... you think mamagement realizes this? They have to have one of those two guys back next year. That's all there is to it. They are asking people to do things that they have never done before, and it shows. Everybody is so uptight and pressing so hard. This team still has more talent than the Twins, they just don't believe it yet. And that is all on Ozzie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kapkomet Posted July 28, 2004 Share Posted July 28, 2004 Hence my reference to "corpseball.." Seriously... it's a mindset... and that's what I meant by it. He HAS to purge this stuff out of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted July 28, 2004 Share Posted July 28, 2004 OK Mr. Know it all. I don't get it.. so you think that hitting someone on purpose is right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 28, 2004 Share Posted July 28, 2004 Hence my reference to "corpseball.." Seriously... it's a mindset... and that's what I meant by it. He HAS to purge this stuff out of them. Corpseball is completely different IMO. That is the don't care frame of mind. The team last year showed up and collected their paycheck, and that was cool with them. Trying to hard is a 180 degree change from what we were seeing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilJester99 Posted July 28, 2004 Share Posted July 28, 2004 I don't get it.. so you think that hitting someone on purpose is right? I think throwing at someone is the right thing to do. Not doing it only sends a message to them saying you can push our team around. Its irrelevant if the hit was legal or not. Hell if that happened and Roger Clemens or Nolan Ryan was on the mound do you think they wouldn't have thrown at them?? Someone would have had the ball in the ear. I think the Sox completely gave the momentum to Minny by not doing something. JMO... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzietheairedale Posted July 28, 2004 Share Posted July 28, 2004 I think throwing at someone is the right thing to do. Not doing it only sends a message to them saying you can push our team around. Its irrelevant if the hit was legal or not. Hell if that happened and Roger Clemens or Nolan Ryan was on the mound do you think they wouldn't have thrown at them?? Someone would have had the ball in the ear. I think the Sox completely gave the momentum to Minny by not doing something. JMO... The message that the Twins can push the Sox around is that they went out on the field the last two days and pushed them around. Throwing at somebody and then getting your ass kicked in every phase of the game for two days is just stupid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted July 28, 2004 Share Posted July 28, 2004 Throwing at somebody and then getting your ass kicked in every phase of the game for two days is just stupid. Can't argue with that.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilJester99 Posted July 28, 2004 Share Posted July 28, 2004 Ok so they lost the 2 games against Minny. There is a difference of going down with a fight or just letting them b****slap your ass as they do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzietheairedale Posted July 28, 2004 Share Posted July 28, 2004 Ok so they lost the 2 games against Minny. There is a difference of going down with a fight or just letting them b****slap your ass as they do it. I don't know how many different ways to say the same damn thing. The b**** slapping is the beating the Twins administered to the Sox by not just winning the games but killing the Sox in every phase of the game. The hit by Hunter was not a b**** slap - it was a hard-ass play by a hard-ass all star center fielder on a multiple division champ team who has consistently beaten the Sox the last few years and looks like they'll do it again. If the Sox want to show them who is tougher - get out on the field and win today's game. Otherwise shut up and go home. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted July 28, 2004 Share Posted July 28, 2004 We start a brawl with Minny and we look like the Cubs as they were swept by the Cards. Win today's game, take care of business, get back into first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JimH Posted July 28, 2004 Share Posted July 28, 2004 Even Burke himself congratulated Hunter on a good hard play. Wrong. He never "congratulated" Hunter. Stop taking liberties with what he said. What Burke said was that he wouldn't say anything bad about Hunter, plays like that are part of the game, and that he (Burke) felt the collision could've been avoided by Hunter because he gave him access to the plate. Any other revisionsist history you'd like to share with us? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JimH Posted July 28, 2004 Share Posted July 28, 2004 The Sox should send a message in three ways: 1. Execute and do the little things necessary to win the game 2. Go in hard on every single play, smoke one of their middle infielders if necessary. Preferably Guzman. 3. Establish the inside corner. If somebody gets plunked, they get plunked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 28, 2004 Share Posted July 28, 2004 Wrong. He never "congratulated" Hunter. Stop taking liberties with what he said. What Burke said was that he wouldn't say anything bad about Hunter, plays like that are part of the game, and that he (Burke) felt the collision could've been avoided by Hunter because he gave him access to the plate. Any other revisionsist history you'd like to share with us? Wait until you hear his version of the Cuban Missle crisis. [spoiler alert] Lincoln dies in the end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzietheairedale Posted July 28, 2004 Share Posted July 28, 2004 Wrong. He never "congratulated" Hunter. Stop taking liberties with what he said. What Burke said was that he wouldn't say anything bad about Hunter, plays like that are part of the game, and that he (Burke) felt the collision could've been avoided by Hunter because he gave him access to the plate. Any other revisionsist history you'd like to share with us? Maybe you heard a different interview than I did. In the interview I heard Burke said it was a good solid hit and was perfectly legal. You still want to go out and throw at Hunter? Maybe that will make you feel better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzietheairedale Posted July 28, 2004 Share Posted July 28, 2004 Wait until you hear his version of the Cuban Missle crisis. [spoiler ALERT] Lincoln dies in the end. At least I know how to spell missile. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Controlled Chaos Posted July 28, 2004 Share Posted July 28, 2004 It was a cheap shot....plain and simple. I wanted retaliation right away. This is the first time I diasagreed with Ozzie this year. I don't want to take out a catcher or a shortstop on a hard slide the next opportunity. They didn't do anything dirty to us. We slide hard anyway...we play good baseball. Torii went out of his way to lay a malicious hit on a guy looking the other way. I can't believe the people here that are dismissing it is playing hard. f*** THAT! It was dirty...he turned left and blindsided him....the plate was wide open. It's easy to hit a guy when he's defenseless. Just like cheap shotting a guy with a punch....it's a cowardly move. You can't even hit a quarterback like that in football without getting penalized. I wanted to bean Hunter in the ribs during his next at bat. In no way does this compare us to the cubs. Cubs bithced about calls...hit guys who hit homeruns...complained about guys watching homeruns...all while getting their ass kicked. Us reatliating for a cheap shot hit on our catcher is not even comparable to the sore loser attitude the cubs displayed in their series. Minny hasn't been beating us all year...we have been beating them....we were 7-3 goin into this series. Yeah they have handed it to us these last couple games but we have handed it to them 7 games this year as well...to say we don't have a right to retaliate cause they beat us on the field is BULLs***. We need a win today and a message needs to be sent saying.."Can't wait to see ya September 14th!!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JimH Posted July 28, 2004 Share Posted July 28, 2004 Maybe you heard a different interview than I did. In the interview I heard Burke said it was a good solid hit and was perfectly legal. You still want to go out and throw at Hunter? Maybe that will make you feel better. So did Burke "congratulate" Hunter? Or is that just you taking liberties with words again, to try and prove your point? Buehrle said last nite that some in the clubhouse had a problem with the hit, some didn't. Williams said it seems like he's more bothered by it than those in the clubhouse. But I guess in your world, the people that had a problem with the hit are biased and those that agree with your view are right on the mark. Yeah, right. Baseball is a game of performance AND momentum. If some retribution is taken on Hunter, it could very well give the Sox some momentum. If nothing else, it'd energize the crowd and perhaps even the fan base. Damn right it'd make me feel better if Hunter gets plunked. Several others who've played the game agree with me. Like it or not, baseball has been that way for 100 years. There are a lot of games to go. Every chance you get to sieze the momentum, you do it. Even if you lose, heck, even if you get swept, there are still positives to take ... if the White Sox choose to take them. Right now, the Sox aren't choosing to do those little things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kapkomet Posted July 28, 2004 Share Posted July 28, 2004 There are a lot of games to go. Every chance you get to sieze the momentum, you do it. Even if you lose, heck, even if you get swept, there are still positives to take ... if the White Sox choose to take them. I guess that's my problem right now. It's the WAY they're losing, not that they're losing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JimH Posted July 28, 2004 Share Posted July 28, 2004 I guess that's my problem right now. It's the WAY they're losing, not that they're losing. That is exactly my issue too komet. If you get beat by a better team so be it. If you get beat by a team that maybe isn't as good as you but they are on a big time hot streak, so be it. If you're getting run out of your own ballpark and don't show aggressiveness and hard nosed play ... BIG problem. I would love to be a fly on the wall when Williams and Guillen talk about this series. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzietheairedale Posted July 28, 2004 Share Posted July 28, 2004 But I guess in your world, the people that had a problem with the hit are biased and those that agree with your view are right on the mark. Yeah, right. This is like talking to a wall :banghead , so maybe it's not worth it. You are so wound up about hitting Torii Hunter. It's such a loser attitude. It's the attitude of a team that finishes in second place. If somebody did that to the Yankees or the Cardinals, do you honestly think they would spend one minute worrying about the silliness you have spent two days whining about? They would go out and win the next game - and then the next game after that. And for Pete's sake, nobody over the age of 12 gets momentum from hitting somebody else with a baseball. You get momentum from winning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlliniKrush Posted July 28, 2004 Share Posted July 28, 2004 This is like talking to a wall :banghead , so maybe it's not worth it. You are so wound up about hitting Torii Hunter. It's such a loser attitude. It's the attitude of a team that finishes in second place. If somebody did that to the Yankees or the Cardinals, do you honestly think they would spend one minute worrying about the silliness you have spent two days whining about? They would go out and win the next game - and then the next game after that. And for Pete's sake, nobody over the age of 12 gets momentum from hitting somebody else with a baseball. You get momentum from winning. Well said Still talking about the Hunter thing is a loser mentality at this point Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Controlled Chaos Posted July 28, 2004 Share Posted July 28, 2004 Well said Still talking about the Hunter thing is a loser mentality at this point Sorry I haven't been here for two days so i't smy first chance to discuss it....and the fact that Ozzietheairedale continues to spew his opinion gives other people the right to respond. Ozzietheairedale hasn't had a good thing to say about the manager , the palyers or the organization in a long time. Everytime theres a post it's you b****ing about something. Do you want them to win....have they done anything good lately?? I'm not dwelling on it....and I don't think JimH is either. I personally just think we needed to swing back when we got popped in the face. You think winning is pay back....yeah that works too....but there's nothing wrong with getting your shots in if ya lose the fight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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