fathom Posted July 30, 2004 Share Posted July 30, 2004 Kenny Williams has got to be very careful with what he does in the next few days leading up to the deadline. He was smart to do the Garcia and Everett trade because he thought that he would have at least one of the two offensive superstars back for the rest of the season. However, Frank and Maggs are very likely not coming back. Add to this that the Twins look to be making major additions to their roster by adding Benson and Morneau while losing an easy out in Doug M. KW has said in the past that he might do something stupid. Well, making a risky move when you have a great chance to make the playoffs is fine. However, our chances to make the playoffs seem to be hoping that the Twins scuffle cause of their tough schedule. That doesn't sound like a very confident belief in the team's ability. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bighurt52235 Posted July 30, 2004 Share Posted July 30, 2004 Dump the whole f***ing farm and get some offense. I don't want to wait another year. I'm still IN to the end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queen Prawn Posted July 30, 2004 Share Posted July 30, 2004 Dump the whole f***ing farm and get some offense. I don't want to wait another year. I'm still IN to the end. Those are my feelings exactly. The thing that bothers me is that this team has no heart and no balls. It seems like since the word came out about Maggs, they just gave up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Healthy Almonds Posted July 30, 2004 Share Posted July 30, 2004 So true Fathom....So true Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted July 30, 2004 Share Posted July 30, 2004 We need a f***ing bat. Fast. Get Delgado if we need to, get Kendall, get someone who plays with some heart and gives a s***. Losing to the Tigers 3-2 is bulls***. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted July 30, 2004 Author Share Posted July 30, 2004 Those are my feelings exactly. The thing that bothers me is that this team has no heart and no balls. It seems like since the word came out about Maggs, they just gave up. What makes you think that the Sox even have enough players in their farm system to fill all the holes that this team has right now? Basically, to be a playoff team that could even compete with the Yanks, Twins, Red Sox, etc., the Sox would need possibly another starter, another reliever or 2, a catcher, and a RF. That seems like a difficult task to accomplish. Also, look at last year of an example of what happens when you acquire players with prospects, yet you don't make the playoffs. Frank Francisco would sure look good in our bullpen right now. Rather have a 98 mph than Jackson's 84 mph. All I'm asking is that KW doesn't overreact to this team slumping and think that he can fix them up with trades when there might be too many problems for this team to compete. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queen Prawn Posted July 30, 2004 Share Posted July 30, 2004 What makes you think that the Sox even have enough players in their farm system to fill all the holes that this team has right now? Don't believe I ever said I did. I was agreeing with him not wanting to wait 'til next year, but still pulling for the Sox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxman352000 Posted July 30, 2004 Share Posted July 30, 2004 We need a f***ing bat. Fast. Get Delgado if we need to, get Kendall, get someone who plays with some heart and gives a s***. Losing to the Tigers 3-2 is bulls***. great post thats all i have to say well said Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox_Sonix Posted July 30, 2004 Share Posted July 30, 2004 Dump the whole f***ing farm and get some offense. I don't want to wait another year. I'm still IN to the end. Why? Our chances of winning this year and right between slim and none right now whereas we have some very good prospects down there. With Maggs and Thomas, yes we could go for it more. But we arent gonna be replacing those bats and our team is so horrible right now that IMO i dont think it's worth it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted July 30, 2004 Author Share Posted July 30, 2004 We need a f***ing bat. Fast. Get Delgado if we need to, get Kendall, get someone who plays with some heart and gives a s***. Losing to the Tigers 3-2 is bulls***. Why is losing 3-2 to the Tgiers bulls***. Look realistically at the lineups and starting pitcher tonight. I would say the Sox are only better at 1b and LF. Their starting pitcher is way better than ours, and their catcher, SS, and DH our better than the Sox. The rest of the positions are relatively close. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilJester99 Posted July 30, 2004 Share Posted July 30, 2004 I think the best bat you can get... but will have to pay big for is Carlos Beltran... switch hitter with great power and can hit basehits in which most of our current players don't seem to have to concept. I think it would be worth whatever price you have to pay to get him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queen Prawn Posted July 30, 2004 Share Posted July 30, 2004 Why? I'm not answering for him, but for me, I don't want to wait another year because we keep hearing that and nothing ever changes to get us any closer to at least winning a series in the playoffs much less making it to the WS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted July 30, 2004 Author Share Posted July 30, 2004 Why? Our chances of winning this year and right between slim and none right now whereas we have some very good prospects down there. With Maggs and Thomas, yes we could go for it more. But we arent gonna be replacing those bats and our team is so horrible right now that IMO i dont think it's worth it Finally, someone else that said what everyone is thinking, but doesn't want to sound like a bandwagon jumper: this current Sox team is HORIBBLE. How many times do people have to see this team make the same mistakes or continue to be easy outs until some realize that this talent level isn't what it used to be. Just compare our team last year at the end to this team right now. It's not even close. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bighurt52235 Posted July 30, 2004 Share Posted July 30, 2004 I'm not answering for him, but for me, I don't want to wait another year because we keep hearing that and nothing ever changes to get us any closer to at least winning a series in the playoffs much less making it to the WS. You're right on. 62 games left, 4 out, is not slim and none if we get help. Not slim and none at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted July 30, 2004 Share Posted July 30, 2004 If our shortstop doesn't make a baserunning blunder yesterday, or catches a pop up yesterday, or makes an accurate 7 foot throw today, the Sox are 1 game out. Unfortunately, he failed on all, and they sit 4 games out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yoda Posted July 30, 2004 Share Posted July 30, 2004 Losing to the Tigers 3-2 is bulls***. And mostly to a team that isn’t even above .500 :headshake Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox_Sonix Posted July 30, 2004 Share Posted July 30, 2004 I'm not answering for him, but for me, I don't want to wait another year because we keep hearing that and nothing ever changes to get us any closer to at least winning a series in the playoffs much less making it to the WS. I agree. I am thoroughly sick of waiting. I LOVE baseball and football and between the Chiefs and Sox i have had nothing but frustration in my 21 years. I would like nothing more than for one of them to win. HOWEVER, I look at our team right now and we have problems on offense. Thomas and Maggs are out. We cant replace them through trades. All we would do is improve our team, but IMO not enough of an improvement to matter. We would lose probably two or three of Anderson, Diaz, Borchard and Sweeney should we go after Beltran, Finley and/or others. IMO, with this team right now, we would be going on false hope and at the same time sacrificing for years to come. Its unfortunate b/c with Frank and Maggs we are one or two moves from WS contenders. But i just dont see it in this team. We cant get a clutch hit to save us, we're hitting around .220 for the month, our pitchers have been on and off this year and we fail to make the fundamental plays. We hurt ourself too much. Unless something major changes, i am very pessimistic about our chances. But thats just my opinion on it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queen Prawn Posted July 30, 2004 Share Posted July 30, 2004 I agree. I am thoroughly sick of waiting. I LOVE baseball and football and between the Chiefs and Sox i have had nothing but frustration in my 21 years. I would like nothing more than for one of them to win. HOWEVER, I look at our team right now and we have problems on offense. Thomas and Maggs are out. We cant replace them through trades. All we would do is improve our team, but IMO not enough of an improvement to matter. We would lose probably two or three of Anderson, Diaz, Borchard and Sweeney should we go after Beltran, Finley and/or others. IMO, with this team right now, we would be going on false hope and at the same time sacrificing for years to come. Its unfortunate b/c with Frank and Maggs we are one or two moves from WS contenders. But i just dont see it in this team. We cant get a clutch hit to save us, we're hitting around .220 for the month, our pitchers have been on and off this year and we fail to make the fundamental plays. We hurt ourself too much. Unless something major changes, i am very pessimistic about our chances. But thats just my opinion on it Great post! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted July 30, 2004 Share Posted July 30, 2004 the Sox would need possibly another starter All I'm asking is that KW doesn't overreact to this team slumping and think that he can fix them up with trades when there might be too many problems for this team to compete. Possibly being the key word. As of right now, the Yankees rotation is bush league...Mussina and Brown are hurt/injury prone, so they're going with Contreras-Vazquez-El Duque-Sturtze-who gives a s***. The Twins rotation has Radke-Santana-Silva/Benson/Lohse, which is very beatable. Red sox has Schilling-Pedro-Wakefield/Lowe/Arroyo...a little better then most, but it too lacks a great 1-2-3. Only the A's have a real solid 1-2-3 of Mulder, Hudson, and Zito, and Zito is a very hittable pitcher nowadays too, and Mulder and Hudson are far from unbeatable. Garcia-Buehrle-Loaiza may(or may not) be solid in the playoffs. another reliever Which costs us maybe a bag of balls. or 2 Not another bag of balls! a catcher You can't tell me that you think Oakland's catching crew is solid...or, as of right now, Minnesota's. Both are s***. You do not need a stud catcher to win ballgames...just one that hits decently, calls a good game, and has a strong arm. and a RF Getting Bautista from Arizona would not cost us a whole hell of a lot...why not grab him? That seems like a difficult task to accomplish. Really it doesn't, considering there is essentially another entire month to make deals yet. The other players just have to pass through waivers. Also, look at last year of an example of what happens when you acquire players with prospects, yet you don't make the playoffs. It's called taking risks, and not just sitting on your ass twiddling your thumbs. Many in baseball thought we had the best team in the league last year, and we could have won it all. We were just unfortunate enough to have been outplayed by Minnesota in the last 2 series of the year, and that essentially ended our season. Frank Francisco would sure look good in our bullpen right now. He may. Doesn't matter...he wouldn't be in the majors with us yet. All I'm asking is that KW doesn't overreact to this team slumping and think that he can fix them up with trades when there might be too many problems for this team to compete. He's already given up an arm and a leg for Freddy and Carl, why not go for it all? You can't just sit on your ass and say "Oh, what could have been"...you f***ing go out and do something to help your cause. If this were a game of poker, we are committed to the pot with a pair of Kings with an ace on the board...you have to f***ing call, just to see what happens. We may win, but we may not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted July 30, 2004 Author Share Posted July 30, 2004 Possibly being the key word. As of right now, the Yankees rotation is bush league...Mussina and Brown are hurt/injury prone, so they're going with Contreras-Vazquez-El Duque-Sturtze-who gives a s***. The Twins rotation has Radke-Santana-Silva/Benson/Lohse, which is very beatable. Red sox has Schilling-Pedro-Wakefield/Lowe/Arroyo...a little better then most, but it too lacks a great 1-2-3. Only the A's have a real solid 1-2-3 of Mulder, Hudson, and Zito, and Zito is a very hittable pitcher nowadays too, and Mulder and Hudson are far from unbeatable. Garcia-Buehrle-Loaiza may(or may not) be solid in the playoffs. Which costs us maybe a bag of balls. Not another bag of balls! You can't tell me that you think Oakland's catching crew is solid...or, as of right now, Minnesota's. Both are s***. You do not need a stud catcher to win ballgames...just one that hits decently, calls a good game, and has a strong arm. Getting Bautista from Arizona would not cost us a whole hell of a lot...why not grab him? Really it doesn't, considering there is essentially another entire month to make deals yet. The other players just have to pass through waivers. It's called taking risks, and not just sitting on your ass twiddling your thumbs. Many in baseball thought we had the best team in the league last year, and we could have won it all. We were just unfortunate enough to have been outplayed by Minnesota in the last 2 series of the year, and that essentially ended our season. He may. Doesn't matter...he wouldn't be in the majors with us yet. He's already given up an arm and a leg for Freddy and Carl, why not go for it all? You can't just sit on your ass and say "Oh, what could have been"...you f***ing go out and do something to help your cause. If this were a game of poker, we are committed to the pot with a pair of Kings with an ace on the board...you have to f***ing call, just to see what happens. We may win, but we may not. Very good post, but I disagree with you about the catching position. D. Miller and Melhuse are a very solid catching core for the A's, and are significantly better than the Sox. And when the Twins gt Mauer back this wknd, their catching position will go from below average to above average very quickly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quickman Posted July 30, 2004 Share Posted July 30, 2004 Dump the whole f***ing farm and get some offense. I don't want to wait another year. I'm still IN to the end. what farm? we actually never had one anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JimH Posted July 30, 2004 Share Posted July 30, 2004 what farm? we actually never had one anyway. Are you back or are you at some tavern in So. California? Enquiring minds want to know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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