Steff Posted July 30, 2004 Share Posted July 30, 2004 Sweeney really struggled early, but he's been on a tear lately. He'll be in AA soon enough, at least by the start of next season. Of course if KW thinks Cliff Floyd is the difference between us making the playoffs or not making it then he should go for it. Otherwise if it doesn't work out, I'm sure people like Steff and Alex will definitely question him on this one at SoxFest. I just talked about this last night with Mikster... if he (Kenny) DOESN'T do something I will bite his head off. I want something, anything. Sitting around holding onto prospects isn't cutting it with me anymore... nor my hefty check I write every year. I will however make sure I remind Kenny and DJ about the stellar Harris experiment. :puke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted July 30, 2004 Share Posted July 30, 2004 I would prefer not to see sweeney go, however I don't want to wait another year to win, Floyd would help the offense a great deal this year. It would be tough to swallow seeing Ryan gone but I'm all for it, forget about the future right now, lets go win the division this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDsDirtySox Posted July 30, 2004 Share Posted July 30, 2004 I don't think this deal is going to happen. It all starts with a little Gasoline from Gammons and now it is out of control. The Pirates are still listening to offers for Benson. Look at this little tidbit from Rotoworld: The Pittsburgh Post-Gazette reports that while talks with the Twins regarding Kris Benson have stalled, Minnesota is not out of the running. The Braves could also make a play for Benson. The Rangers aren't dead either. Oddly enough, the one team the article doesn't mention is the Mets, who as of last night were considered the frontrunners for Benson, and want to sign him to an extension if they get him. As for the Braves, who are a sudden mystery guest, ''I know they're interested,'' a baseball official said. ''They just like to stay under the radar. Their people don't talk.'' The Braves might trade RHP Jose Capellan and third baseman Andy Marte for Benson, the Post-Gazette reports. If that's the case, which frankly would be hard to believe, the Pirates should jump and not look back. If the Braves offer Capellan or Marte, both are Stud prospects (better than Sweeney). If they offer both the Pirates will be loving life. Marte is the Braves TOP prospect. Capellan is their TOP pitching prospect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted July 30, 2004 Share Posted July 30, 2004 Touche' Oh god, your going to be a f***in mad man if this deal goes through. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queen Prawn Posted July 30, 2004 Share Posted July 30, 2004 Hasn't Floyd said in the past he doesn't want to play here? I understand that this trade isn't up to him, but just wondering... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aboz56 Posted July 30, 2004 Share Posted July 30, 2004 If he deals Ryan, consider me PERMANENTLY a KW basher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted July 30, 2004 Share Posted July 30, 2004 If he deals Ryan, consider me PERMANENTLY a KW basher. Ad if it pays off and we make it to the playoffs and.. gasp... the WS.. you are NOT allowed at the "winners" tailgate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoArow33 Posted July 30, 2004 Share Posted July 30, 2004 I have no problem with this deal .... at all. Me either. We gotta be all about the here and now at this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuskyCaucasian Posted July 30, 2004 Share Posted July 30, 2004 The reason I like Cliff for Sweeny is because Sweeny is being used as a piece to block the Twins from getting Benson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted July 30, 2004 Share Posted July 30, 2004 If KW deals Ryan, he is an incompentent moron who should be fired when this team fails to win the division for the fourth straight year. Amen, KW has taken a 2000 AL central team with a great future and good farm system and the team has not won s*** since he took over. Now, he looks to be depleting our farm system while overpaying in nearly every trade he makes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wedge Posted July 30, 2004 Share Posted July 30, 2004 I don't like this deal. I think we can get something better than Cliff Floyd for Sweeney. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted July 30, 2004 Share Posted July 30, 2004 The reason I like Cliff for Sweeny is because Sweeny is being used as a piece to block the Twins from getting Benson. Why is everyone so worried about Benson going to the Twins? He's not that good, and should have troubles in the AL compared to the NL. Also, the Twins would be giving up some of their future for a rental. Also, the Sox are not in a position where they can worry about something like this. They need to improve their team a lot more than the Twins do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 30, 2004 Share Posted July 30, 2004 Amen, KW has taken a 2000 AL central team with a great future and good farm system and the team has not won s*** since he took over. Now, he looks to be depleting our farm system while overpaying in nearly every trade he makes. How many of those guys from that farm system are producing anywhere? How about players off of that 2000 team? And what would you have done differently? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queen Prawn Posted July 30, 2004 Share Posted July 30, 2004 How many of those guys from that farm system are producing anywhere? How about players off of that 2000 team? And what would you have done differently? I think KW has given this team the tools to win. The problem is the players haven't been living up to expectations. Maybe if things don't go as KW planned (WS), it's time to blow up the core of the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted July 30, 2004 Share Posted July 30, 2004 How many of those guys from that farm system are producing anywhere? How about players off of that 2000 team? And what would you have done differently? You beat me to it. All those "great" arms we've had in the minor leagues for the most part have amounted to nothing. Kenny really hasn't traded away any real good young players except kip wells. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerbaho-WG Posted July 30, 2004 Share Posted July 30, 2004 You guys who are so anxious to trade Sweeney are nuts. 14 months ago he was in high school. He goes straight to High A Ball and succeeds. It's not like he is hitting .280 in Great Falls. If we have to trade him, do it next year and we can get a lot more than Cliff Floyd for him. Anyone who thinks Old Cliff will put us over the top are naive. Sweeney has a very, very big flaw in his swing right now. He literally lunges towards the ball, which is the exact opposite of what you want to do with the ball. I think he might have corrected this due to his latest surge in AVG. And aboz, is this the same incompetent moron who you praised for keeping your boy JB and trading away Jeremy Reed? Flip...flop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighHeat45 Posted July 30, 2004 Share Posted July 30, 2004 People dont want to trade Sweeney or Anderson but everyone says we have to resign Maggs to a long term deal. Rowand is turning into a super star and has alot of fans and at least i wanna see him in a sox uni for a while. Carlos is still pretty young and people want him around for a while. Now that covers all the outfield positions. Where is there room for Sweeney, Anderson,Borchard, Brice etc. But still, I dont know about Cliff Floyd but im not gunna really say anything about the deal because if it happens, it happens and b****ing does nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wedge Posted July 30, 2004 Share Posted July 30, 2004 People dont want to trade Sweeney or Anderson but everyone says we have to resign Maggs to a long term deal. Rowand is turning into a super star and has alot of fans and at least i wanna see him in a sox uni for a while. Carlos is still pretty young and people want him around for a while. Now that covers all the outfield positions. Where is there room for Sweeney, Anderson,Borchard, Brice etc. That all may be true, but I feel at the least that Sweeney can be a more valuable chip to us later, if we give him time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlliniKrush Posted July 30, 2004 Share Posted July 30, 2004 People dont want to trade Sweeney or Anderson but everyone says we have to resign Maggs to a long term deal. Rowand is turning into a super star and has alot of fans and at least i wanna see him in a sox uni for a while. Carlos is still pretty young and people want him around for a while. Now that covers all the outfield positions. Where is there room for Sweeney, Anderson,Borchard, Brice etc. But still, I dont know about Cliff Floyd but im not gunna really say anything about the deal because if it happens, it happens and b****ing does nothing. Rowand is turning into a superstar...? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerbaho-WG Posted July 30, 2004 Share Posted July 30, 2004 Rowand is turning into a super star and has alot of fans and at least i wanna see him in a sox uni for a while. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. OMG ROFL, THAT IS THE FUNNIEST DAMN THING I'VE READ THIS DAY!!!! Aaron Rowand...superstar? Oh my God.....ROFL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beck72 Posted July 30, 2004 Share Posted July 30, 2004 That all may be true, but I feel at the least that Sweeney can be a more valuable chip to us later, if we give him time. In the meantime, the Sox should sit on their hands and wait as the offense tanks and they miss the playoffs.....Count me out as one who wants to wait. Few teams will trade valuable, talented everyday players for an A ball player. Most teams want a guy almost ready for the majors. Sometimes the perfect is the enemy of the good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greasywheels121 Posted July 30, 2004 Share Posted July 30, 2004 Please tell me I'm dreaming; this is all a bad dream, right? What the motherf***ing f*** are we doing here??????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighHeat45 Posted July 30, 2004 Share Posted July 30, 2004 ok, maybe i phrased it wrong but he is turning into somethin good. He is batting over .300 He has decent speed He can hit for power He has a great glove I dont know what more you can ask for... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted July 30, 2004 Share Posted July 30, 2004 What the hell. Sweeney for a 32 year old who is prone to major injuries and has a big time contract. Gimme a freaking break, the Mets would unload his contract for nothing. This would piss the hell out of me. You don't give up a guy thats 19 and ripping A ball. The past 3 weeks the guy is hitting around .360 or so. His power is going to develop. This guy was in high school 14 months ago, like oldsocks pointed out, and has as high of upside as anyone in the minors (not just in the Sox system) offensively. The guy can be dealt, but for Cliff Floyd, HELL NO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted July 30, 2004 Share Posted July 30, 2004 ok, maybe i phrased it wrong but he is turning into somethin good. He is batting over .300 He has decent speed He can hit for power He has a great glove I dont know what more you can ask for... Turning into a right handed version of Trot Nixon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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