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This kid seems to be Todd Ritchie all over again and yet the Pirates seem to have GMs wetting themselves over him. :huh

I disagree with that comparison. He's got a lot better potential than Ritchie, at least.

 

It's also important to remember that he was a pretty highly-rated prospect who had to have major arm surgery. If you look at when the typical 18 month recover window ended, and the string of nice starts he has put together (since early June, I want to say), it makes me wonder if he is starting to come into his own. Is he a true Ace pitcher? Not right now. Is he better than Garland? I definitely think so.

 

What was everybody's opinion of Josh Beckett before last season? Aside from his second half run last year, he's had a pretty up-and-down injury-laced career, just like Benson. Great, dominating stuff, but the it never showed up in the numbers. Benson's been pitching great for about two months straight now, and he definitely could put a contender over the top and perhaps carry a pseudo-contender deep into the play-offs like Beckett did.

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Benson is coming along at a good time, for him and the Pirates.  Besides RJ who are the stud starters available?.  So if you need a starter, you have to over pay and both sides know it.

I think everyone else pretty much got screwed when we traded for Freddy. There's nobody else out there like him.

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I disagree with that comparison.  He's got a lot better potential than Ritchie, at least.

Pitching Stats: Next Stats >>

 

SEASON TEAM W L ERA G GS CG SHO SV SVO IP H R ER HR HBP BB SO

1999 Pittsburgh Pirates 11 14 4.07 31 31 2 0 0 0 196.2 184 105 89 16 6 83 139

2000 Pittsburgh Pirates 10 12 3.85 32 32 2 1 0 0 217.2 206 104 93 24 10 86 184

2002 Pittsburgh Pirates 9 6 4.70 25 25 0 0 0 0 130.1 152 76 68 18 3 50 79

2003 Pittsburgh Pirates 5 9 4.97 18 18 0 0 0 0 105.0 127 67 58 14 1 36 68

2004 Pittsburgh Pirates 8 8 4.22 20 20 0 0 0 0 132.1 137 69 62 7 6 44 83

 

Career Totals 43 49 4.26 126 126 4 1 0 0 782.0 806 421 370 79 26 299 553

 

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Sorry, just not impressed by this kid. Maybe the Pirates are just looking for too much, I don't know...whatever floats your boat I guess.

 

I will give him that he has improved his K/BB ratio over the last few years.

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Pitching Stats: Next Stats >>

 

SEASON  TEAM  W  L  ERA  G  GS  CG  SHO  SV  SVO  IP  H  R  ER  HR  HBP  BB  SO

1999  Pittsburgh Pirates 11 14 4.07 31 31 2 0 0 0 196.2 184 105 89 16 6 83 139

2000  Pittsburgh Pirates 10 12 3.85 32 32 2 1 0 0 217.2 206 104 93 24 10 86 184

2002  Pittsburgh Pirates 9 6 4.70 25 25 0 0 0 0 130.1 152 76 68 18 3 50 79

2003  Pittsburgh Pirates 5 9 4.97 18 18 0 0 0 0 105.0 127 67 58 14 1 36 68

2004  Pittsburgh Pirates 8 8 4.22 20 20 0 0 0 0 132.1 137 69 62 7 6 44 83

 

Career Totals 43 49 4.26 126 126 4 1 0 0 782.0 806 421 370 79 26 299 553

 

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Sorry, just not impressed by this kid.  Maybe the Pirates are just looking for too much, I don't know...whatever floats your boat I guess. 

 

I will give him that he has improved his K/BB ratio over the last few years.

Let's play "name that pitcher"

 

Season TM G GS CG SHO IP H R ER HR BB SO W L SV HLD BLSV ERA

1995 Atl 9 2 0 0 25.0 27 17 16 2 18 19 2 2 0 0 1 5.76

1996 Atl 13 11 0 0 58.2 69 48 44 8 32 48 3 4 0 0 -- 6.75

1996 Pit 6 6 1 0 37.2 39 19 17 2 21 26 2 2 0 0 -- 4.06

1996 -- 19 17 1 0 96.1 108 67 61 10 53 74 5 6 0 0 -- 5.70

1997 Pit 32 32 2 0 187.2 193 106 96 16 76 136 10 9 0 0 -- 4.60

1998 Pit 33 33 0 0 214.1 228 106 97 24 71 158 11 14 0 0 -- 4.07

1999 Pit 33 33 2 0 212.2 219 110 99 24 85 148 13 11 0 0 -- 4.19

2000 Pit 11 11 0 0 63.1 71 43 38 6 41 51 2 5 0 0 -- 5.40

2001 Pit 14 14 1 0 84.0 81 46 43 11 28 77 6 6 0 0 -- 4.61

 

Looks terrible, right? Now let's see how this mystery man has done since being traded from Pit,

 

2001 MYSTERY 11 11 0 0 66.1 57 29 25 2 33 65 7 1 0 0 -- 3.39

2001 -- 25 25 1 0 150.1 138 75 68 13 61 142 13 7 0 0 -- 4.07

2002 MYSTERY 29 29 2 2 185.1 148 78 71 15 73 196 13 8 0 0 -- 3.45

2003 MYSTERY 29 29 5 3 207.2 152 56 54 14 46 208 17 5 0 0 -- 2.34

2004 MYSTERY 20 20 2 2 143.2 95 47 44 12 52 154 13 3 0 0 -- 2.76

Total -- 240 231 15 7 1486.1 1379 705 644 136 576 1286 99 70 0 0 1 3.90

 

When you name that pitcher, you get your answer why teams want Benson. They think he can be the next _________

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Let's play "name that pitcher"

 

Season TM G GS CG  SHO IP    H    R ER HR BB SO    W    L    SV HLD BLSV ERA

1995 Atl 9 2 0 0 25.0 27 17 16 2 18 19 2 2 0 0 1 5.76

1996 Atl 13 11 0 0 58.2 69 48 44 8 32 48 3 4 0 0 -- 6.75

1996 Pit 6 6 1 0 37.2 39 19 17 2 21 26 2 2 0 0 -- 4.06

1996 -- 19 17 1 0 96.1 108 67 61 10 53 74 5 6 0 0 -- 5.70

1997 Pit 32 32 2 0 187.2 193 106 96 16 76 136 10 9 0 0 -- 4.60

1998 Pit 33 33 0 0 214.1 228 106 97 24 71 158 11 14 0 0 -- 4.07

1999 Pit 33 33 2 0 212.2 219 110 99 24 85 148 13 11 0 0 -- 4.19

2000 Pit 11 11 0 0 63.1 71 43 38 6 41 51 2 5 0 0 -- 5.40

2001 Pit 14 14 1 0 84.0 81 46 43 11 28 77 6 6 0 0 -- 4.61

 

Looks terrible, right?  Now let's see how this mystery man has done since being traded from Pit,

 

2001 MYSTERY 11 11 0 0 66.1 57 29 25 2 33 65 7 1 0 0 -- 3.39

2001 -- 25 25 1 0 150.1 138 75 68 13 61 142 13 7 0 0 -- 4.07

2002 MYSTERY 29 29 2 2 185.1 148 78 71 15 73 196 13 8 0 0 -- 3.45

2003 MYSTERY 29 29 5 3 207.2 152 56 54 14 46 208 17 5 0 0 -- 2.34

2004 MYSTERY 20 20 2 2 143.2 95 47 44 12 52 154 13 3 0 0 -- 2.76

Total -- 240 231 15 7 1486.1 1379 705 644 136 576 1286 99 70 0 0 1 3.90

 

When you name that pitcher, you get your answer why teams want Benson.  They think he can be the next _________

That pitcher is Jason Schmidt....

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That kind of thing doesn't happen very often. Starting pitchers in their late 20's don't often go from being medicore at best to being unhittable like Schmidt did. To think Benson is going to do that is a stretch, especially in an AL team acquires him.

 

Getting Floyd would blow. Too many issues. He's injury prone, he was talking about retirement, and he's signed for another two years and $13 mil after this season. :puke If we do this we can basically admit Maggs is gone, and I don't believe that. With his injury he's fallen into our price range, and he's much better hitter than Floyd when he gets healthy. Floyd is a long term solution to a short term problem. I'd rather get Cattalanato at a lower price than Floyd any day.

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That kind of thing doesn't happen very often. Starting pitchers in their late 20's don't often go from being medicore at best to being unhittable like Schmidt did. To think Benson is going to do that is a stretch, especially in an AL team acquires him.

You're right, it doesn't. However, the circumstances seem to suggest that Benson is one of those cases where it will happen (at least in the eyes of some GMs). They see a guy who has really great stuff who is finally starting to put it together these past few months sort of like Schmidt did all those years ago. Hell, he even came from the same system as Schmidt. I see a lot of good in Benson, and I think he'll be great for whatever contender picks him up.

 

Also, I agree about Floyd, he just doesn't do it for me. No thanks.

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bottom line is, we are giving up too much for floyd, with a package of other prospect, the met are getting bensen.......

 

too much to pay and i hope kw doesn't do it................. again >>>>>>> over pay for nothing

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