Texsox Posted August 26, 2004 Share Posted August 26, 2004 from chisox.com DETROIT -- With the announcement that Magglio Ordonez is out for the season, the team is forced to evaluate how much of a risk re-signing the four-time All-Star is -- or at least how much to resign him for. Ordonez, who has missed the better part of three months due to a left knee injury, is a free agent after the season. And general manager Kenny Williams said he isn't sure how much of a risk he's willing to take on a player whose health isn't improving. "It would be irresponsible for me to speculate any more that it hasn't gotten any better," Williams said. "Now what you have to weigh is, where is he now? And there hasn't been any improvement in his condition. So that complicates things. And where would we be payroll-wise as it relates to putting together the whole team? If you allocate so much money to one player, and you see that player go down, then you haven't fortified your team enough in other areas, and I don't think you're doing any justice. You're taking the easy way out. So you have to weigh his health, you have to weigh the payroll issues, [and] the composition of the team." Williams did make it clear that Ordonez is a player worth keeping on the team -- if the price is right. more at link A couple messages KW is sending To other teams: This guy is possibly damaged goods, do not get interested To Maggs: We're dropping your worth in the marketplace, sign for less before it's too late. To Sox fans: Please be on the club's side when we dump him I believe this is as much contract negotiations as an honest appraisal of Maggs injury. The club has an interest in making Maggs appear to have a career ender in his walk year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MinnesotaSoxFan Posted August 26, 2004 Share Posted August 26, 2004 from chisox.com DETROIT -- With the announcement that Magglio Ordonez is out for the season, the team is forced to evaluate how much of a risk re-signing the four-time All-Star is -- or at least how much to resign him for. Ordonez, who has missed the better part of three months due to a left knee injury, is a free agent after the season. And general manager Kenny Williams said he isn't sure how much of a risk he's willing to take on a player whose health isn't improving. "It would be irresponsible for me to speculate any more that it hasn't gotten any better," Williams said. "Now what you have to weigh is, where is he now? And there hasn't been any improvement in his condition. So that complicates things. And where would we be payroll-wise as it relates to putting together the whole team? If you allocate so much money to one player, and you see that player go down, then you haven't fortified your team enough in other areas, and I don't think you're doing any justice. You're taking the easy way out. So you have to weigh his health, you have to weigh the payroll issues, [and] the composition of the team." Williams did make it clear that Ordonez is a player worth keeping on the team -- if the price is right. more at link A couple messages KW is sending To other teams: This guy is possibly damaged goods, do not get interested To Maggs: We're dropping your worth in the marketplace, sign for less before it's too late. To Sox fans: Please be on the club's side when we dump him I believe this is as much contract negotiations as an honest appraisal of Maggs injury. The club has an interest in making Maggs appear to have a career ender in his walk year. 94% is that Maggs is gonna leave. Who's gonna pay the price when he's injured? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted August 26, 2004 Author Share Posted August 26, 2004 from chisox.com DETROIT -- With the announcement that Magglio Ordonez is out for the season, the team is forced to evaluate how much of a risk re-signing the four-time All-Star is -- or at least how much to resign him for. Ordonez, who has missed the better part of three months due to a left knee injury, is a free agent after the season. And general manager Kenny Williams said he isn't sure how much of a risk he's willing to take on a player whose health isn't improving. "It would be irresponsible for me to speculate any more that it hasn't gotten any better," Williams said. "Now what you have to weigh is, where is he now? And there hasn't been any improvement in his condition. So that complicates things. And where would we be payroll-wise as it relates to putting together the whole team? If you allocate so much money to one player, and you see that player go down, then you haven't fortified your team enough in other areas, and I don't think you're doing any justice. You're taking the easy way out. So you have to weigh his health, you have to weigh the payroll issues, [and] the composition of the team." Williams did make it clear that Ordonez is a player worth keeping on the team -- if the price is right. more at link A couple messages KW is sending To other teams: This guy is possibly damaged goods, do not get interested To Maggs: We're dropping your worth in the marketplace, sign for less before it's too late. To Sox fans: Please be on the club's side when we dump him I believe this is as much contract negotiations as an honest appraisal of Maggs injury. The club has an interest in making Maggs appear to have a career ender in his walk year. 94% is that Maggs is gonna leave. Who's gonna pay the price when he's injured? Correct and baring a miracle there will be no post season play on the southside why should the club say "Maggs is healing fine and will be ready for next season"? Instead the club will make statements placing his injury in a very dim light to spook other teams. His next contract will probably have language involving DL, games played, etc. to protect the club which signs him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted August 26, 2004 Share Posted August 26, 2004 There is no surprise here. It has been said over and over that his condition isn't improving. KW is hardly leading some smear campaign against Maggs. In reality, if someone wants to sign him, all they have to do it look at his medical records or run their own tests. It would be an incredibly stupid thing to do in public. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MinnesotaSoxFan Posted August 26, 2004 Share Posted August 26, 2004 from chisox.com DETROIT -- With the announcement that Magglio Ordonez is out for the season, the team is forced to evaluate how much of a risk re-signing the four-time All-Star is -- or at least how much to resign him for. Ordonez, who has missed the better part of three months due to a left knee injury, is a free agent after the season. And general manager Kenny Williams said he isn't sure how much of a risk he's willing to take on a player whose health isn't improving. "It would be irresponsible for me to speculate any more that it hasn't gotten any better," Williams said. "Now what you have to weigh is, where is he now? And there hasn't been any improvement in his condition. So that complicates things. And where would we be payroll-wise as it relates to putting together the whole team? If you allocate so much money to one player, and you see that player go down, then you haven't fortified your team enough in other areas, and I don't think you're doing any justice. You're taking the easy way out. So you have to weigh his health, you have to weigh the payroll issues, [and] the composition of the team." Williams did make it clear that Ordonez is a player worth keeping on the team -- if the price is right. more at link A couple messages KW is sending To other teams: This guy is possibly damaged goods, do not get interested To Maggs: We're dropping your worth in the marketplace, sign for less before it's too late. To Sox fans: Please be on the club's side when we dump him I believe this is as much contract negotiations as an honest appraisal of Maggs injury. The club has an interest in making Maggs appear to have a career ender in his walk year. 94% is that Maggs is gonna leave. Who's gonna pay the price when he's injured? Correct and baring a miracle there will be no post season play on the southside why should the club say "Maggs is healing fine and will be ready for next season"? Instead the club will make statements placing his injury in a very dim light to spook other teams. His next contract will probably have language involving DL, games played, etc. to protect the club which signs him. It's gotta be like that. Nobody will pay him that much, IF they have a 100% belief that he's ready. Sox won't sign him and we know. We have been set on this course and we know it. The Sox are lucky though cause him getting injured has caused his price range down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kapkomet Posted August 26, 2004 Share Posted August 26, 2004 wow i think this is a load of crap putting this out there. you talk about playing hardball in contract negotiations... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted August 26, 2004 Author Share Posted August 26, 2004 from chisox.com DETROIT -- With the announcement that Magglio Ordonez is out for the season, the team is forced to evaluate how much of a risk re-signing the four-time All-Star is -- or at least how much to resign him for. Ordonez, who has missed the better part of three months due to a left knee injury, is a free agent after the season. And general manager Kenny Williams said he isn't sure how much of a risk he's willing to take on a player whose health isn't improving. "It would be irresponsible for me to speculate any more that it hasn't gotten any better," Williams said. "Now what you have to weigh is, where is he now? And there hasn't been any improvement in his condition. So that complicates things. And where would we be payroll-wise as it relates to putting together the whole team? If you allocate so much money to one player, and you see that player go down, then you haven't fortified your team enough in other areas, and I don't think you're doing any justice. You're taking the easy way out. So you have to weigh his health, you have to weigh the payroll issues, [and] the composition of the team." Williams did make it clear that Ordonez is a player worth keeping on the team -- if the price is right. more at link A couple messages KW is sending To other teams: This guy is possibly damaged goods, do not get interested To Maggs: We're dropping your worth in the marketplace, sign for less before it's too late. To Sox fans: Please be on the club's side when we dump him I believe this is as much contract negotiations as an honest appraisal of Maggs injury. The club has an interest in making Maggs appear to have a career ender in his walk year. 94% is that Maggs is gonna leave. Who's gonna pay the price when he's injured? Correct and baring a miracle there will be no post season play on the southside why should the club say "Maggs is healing fine and will be ready for next season"? Instead the club will make statements placing his injury in a very dim light to spook other teams. His next contract will probably have language involving DL, games played, etc. to protect the club which signs him. It's gotta be like that. Nobody will pay him that much, IF they have a 100% belief that he's ready. Sox won't sign him and we know. We have been set on this course and we know it. The Sox are lucky though cause him getting injured has caused his price range down. It will be interesting to read if Ordonez responds to the article or stays mum. Both strategies have some advantage. I am assuming every free agent will be gone, no options will be excercised, and we will only have guys who are under contract next season. I will once again spend the off season not getting my hopes up. Convincing myself again we are a 6th place team in a 5 team division. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngelasDaddy0427 Posted August 26, 2004 Share Posted August 26, 2004 I'm just glad Maggs didn't sign that big deal when he had the chance. Could you imagine if Maggs had signed that and it really did turn out to be a career ender... We would of been totally screwed! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Critic Posted August 26, 2004 Share Posted August 26, 2004 That's the risk. Scottie Pippen signed a long-term contract when he was worried about his back, and then he whined about being underpaid when his injury didn't end his career. He wouldn't have given one thin dime back if his career ended due to injury. You have to balance financial security vs. "fair market value". Sometimes you get burned. I do hope Maggs can continue his career, but I'm no longer sure I want the Sox to go after him all that aggressively anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted August 26, 2004 Share Posted August 26, 2004 It will be interesting to read if Ordonez responds to the article or stays mum. Supposedly he already did. Bruce read a quote from him yesterday from a phone call with him in which he said he is having surgery again (the same surgery Sandy has had twice) and it is NOT career ending. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LauraJ14 Posted August 26, 2004 Share Posted August 26, 2004 I could see a team like the Yankees or Braqves with a deep payroll taking a chance on Ordonez. The Yankees paid Jon Leiber to rehab for a year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted August 26, 2004 Share Posted August 26, 2004 Don't count the Orioles out.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchetman Posted August 26, 2004 Share Posted August 26, 2004 I'm just glad Maggs didn't sign that big deal when he had the chance. Could you imagine if Maggs had signed that and it really did turn out to be a career ender... We would of been totally screwed! yep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winning Ugly Posted August 26, 2004 Share Posted August 26, 2004 I agree wholeheatedly. It's really sad it's come down to this with Maggs career. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted August 26, 2004 Author Share Posted August 26, 2004 Don't count the Orioles out.. Don't they pay by weight not volume Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted August 26, 2004 Share Posted August 26, 2004 It will be interesting to read if Ordonez responds to the article or stays mum. Supposedly he already did. Bruce read a quote from him yesterday from a phone call with him in which he said he is having surgery again (the same surgery Sandy has had twice) and it is NOT career ending. So in other words what KW was the truth. Maggs is having surgery because it isn't getting better... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted August 26, 2004 Share Posted August 26, 2004 It will be interesting to read if Ordonez responds to the article or stays mum. Supposedly he already did. Bruce read a quote from him yesterday from a phone call with him in which he said he is having surgery again (the same surgery Sandy has had twice) and it is NOT career ending. So in other words what KW was the truth. Maggs is having surgery because it isn't getting better... We discussed this on Friday.. don't you pay attention?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted August 26, 2004 Share Posted August 26, 2004 Crap.. the quote function is broken too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted August 26, 2004 Author Share Posted August 26, 2004 It will be interesting to read if Ordonez responds to the article or stays mum. Supposedly he already did. Bruce read a quote from him yesterday from a phone call with him in which he said he is having surgery again (the same surgery Sandy has had twice) and it is NOT career ending. So in other words what KW was the truth. Maggs is having surgery because it isn't getting better... We discussed this on Friday.. don't you pay attention?? Which Friday? My heads spinning Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted August 26, 2004 Share Posted August 26, 2004 It will be interesting to read if Ordonez responds to the article or stays mum. Supposedly he already did. Bruce read a quote from him yesterday from a phone call with him in which he said he is having surgery again (the same surgery Sandy has had twice) and it is NOT career ending. So in other words what KW was the truth. Maggs is having surgery because it isn't getting better... We discussed this on Friday.. don't you pay attention?? That's what I was trying to say at the beginning of this!!! Been there, done that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted August 26, 2004 Share Posted August 26, 2004 I love that red X smiley.. so cooool Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted August 26, 2004 Share Posted August 26, 2004 I heard from some place not sure where that the injury is identical to that which Bo Jackson suffered in his hip. Has anyone else heard this??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeremyb Posted August 26, 2004 Share Posted August 26, 2004 I heard from some place not sure where that the injury is identical to that which Bo Jackson suffered in his hip. Has anyone else heard this??? Hmm, that's strange. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted August 26, 2004 Share Posted August 26, 2004 Hmm, that's strange. I agree. Bo's hip fell apart. Maggs (FWIU) has a issue with a bleeder under the cap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilJester99 Posted August 26, 2004 Share Posted August 26, 2004 Who would have thought on that play, Maggs would have gotten hurt that badly. I mean his knee was bent and didn't really get twisted in any real way. I figured soreness and a big bruise. Hell I thought Willie was hurt the worst. Looked like Willie could have broken his ankle on that play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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