beck72 Posted August 26, 2004 Author Share Posted August 26, 2004 Pierre will not be going anywhere, close this. A team with a near .500 record, stuck with a lot of contracts for 2005, a lot of holes to fill, not a lot of payroll, and a very weak upper level farm system, though with a probable CF replacement ready in AA in Eric Reed, Pierre could be available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beck72 Posted August 26, 2004 Author Share Posted August 26, 2004 Just a small clue as to how FLA's upper level farm system is, they have 28 yr old former Sox farmhand Jeff Inglin playing OF in AA. They also called up a 33 yr old AAA 1B early in the year Larry Broadway [maybe he's still on the team]. If FLA could fill a few holes by trading one player and unloading a $3.4 mill contract so they could sign other players, it's possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSGuy406 Posted August 26, 2004 Share Posted August 26, 2004 I am fairly confident that a 2B platoon of Harris-Hairston can produce at a 370 OBP, 400 Slug pace next year. More than enough for a lead-off spot. With Lee in LF, Rowand in CF and Everett in RF, where do you play Pierre? Sure, I'd love to have JP in the 1-spot, which effectively pushes the 2B combo back to 9-spot, where they could toil with less pressure on them....but at what price? Florida won't just give him away. In fact, Marlins might not even want to part with him in the first place, I don't think. Jeremy - welcome to Soxtalk. I like reading your posts at WSI, even though a lot of the time I disagree with you. Welcome! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted August 26, 2004 Share Posted August 26, 2004 I would love Pierre. Hell, just the other day, this kid in the 1st inning hit a single, stole 2nd and 3rd and alittle groundball scored him. That's exactly what we need on this team and he CAN be had at. We have proven that we are good trading partners with florida (BTW, thank you florida for taking Billy Koch. ) and I think we could get him even though it will cost us some studs. He makes our line-up so much better. Him and A-Row in the 1-2 top of the order is dynomite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted August 26, 2004 Share Posted August 26, 2004 I am fairly confident that a 2B platoon of Harris-Hairston can produce at a 370 OBP, 400 Slug pace next year. More than enough for a lead-off spot. With Lee in LF, Rowand in CF and Everett in RF, where do you play Pierre? Sure, I'd love to have JP in the 1-spot, which effectively pushes the 2B combo back to 9-spot, where they could toil with less pressure on them....but at what price? Florida won't just give him away. In fact, Marlins might not even want to part with him in the first place, I don't think. Jeremy - welcome to Soxtalk. I like reading your posts at WSI, even though a lot of the time I disagree with you. Welcome! Yea man Welcome Abard. Sorry I didnt say so yesterday but you kinda joined at a bad time.. So far I like reading your stuff (disagreeable, but that's the basic point) and you sound like you know what your talking about. Welcome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeremyb Posted August 26, 2004 Share Posted August 26, 2004 Figgins is more talented than Pierre, much cheaper and more versatile, too. We have no place for Pierre; we do for Figgins......Then again, neither speedster is likely going anywhere, and the last thing I want to see Sox do is grossely overpay. Don't try to rationalize this, just let it go. Saying the Sox "have no place" for Pierre is laughable. But I guess guys with high OBP, avg, and who can steal bases are pretty useless around here. OK you win I'll let it go. Lee plays LF. His bat is too live and ceiling too high to move him. Rowand is in CF; after break-out '04 campaign, he ain't going anywhere. Everett is signed through 2005, and unless Sox exercise the buy-out clause, he will start in RF next year, hopefully completely healthy and mentally fresh. Of course I'll take Pierre (who wouldn't?) if Sox could somehow get rid of Everett....not for Marte and Uribe, though. A prospect package might work for me. In fact, Sox might have a Pierre of their own in Mike Spidale, lol. I doubt Marlins would bite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted August 26, 2004 Share Posted August 26, 2004 Just a small clue as to how FLA's upper level farm system is, they have 28 yr old former Sox farmhand Jeff Inglin playing OF in AA. They also called up a 33 yr old AAA 1B early in the year Larry Broadway [maybe he's still on the team]. If FLA could fill a few holes by trading one player and unloading a $3.4 mill contract so they could sign other players, it's possible. I doubt the 3.4 million pierre is making really hurts them. I mean he is one of the top lead-off men in baseball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palehosefan Posted August 26, 2004 Share Posted August 26, 2004 Whoever said Larry Broadway, I think you meant Larry Sutton. Larry Broadway is about 23 years old and was a 1B from Duke drafted two years ago I believe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
He_Gawn Posted August 26, 2004 Share Posted August 26, 2004 Who cares, I just want Pierre. I'll be first in line to buy his White Sox jersey. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beck72 Posted August 26, 2004 Author Share Posted August 26, 2004 Lee plays LF. His bat is too live and ceiling too high to move him. Rowand is in CF; after break-out '04 campaign, he ain't going anywhere. Everett is signed through 2005, and unless Sox exercise the buy-out clause, he will start in RF next year, hopefully completely healthy and mentally fresh. Of course I'll take Pierre (who wouldn't?) if Sox could somehow get rid of Everett....not for Marte and Uribe, though. A prospect package might work for me. In fact, Sox might have a Pierre of their own in Mike Spidale, lol. I doubt Marlins would bite. I certainly wouldn't put any plans on hold just to keep Everett in the lineup {though I do think he's hurting this yr more than he's let on] Frank will probably need some time off, that's if he's even ready for '05. So having Everett may be necessary at DH, and RF. Whether its Pierre or not, the Sox need a proven leadoff man. Willie should be penciled in as the #9 hitter. Spidale does have better numbers than Anderson though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beck72 Posted August 26, 2004 Author Share Posted August 26, 2004 I doubt the 3.4 million pierre is making really hurts them. I mean he is one of the top lead-off men in baseball. The $3.4 mill contract I was talking about was SS Alex Gonzalez'. They may want to include him in a package for Uribe, to get salary relief. Another big contract they might want to unload is Juan Encarnacion, who'll make $4.35 mill in '05. [Maybe an Everett swap?] Pierre will make $3.6 mill in '05 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beck72 Posted August 26, 2004 Author Share Posted August 26, 2004 Whoever said Larry Broadway, I think you meant Larry Sutton. Larry Broadway is about 23 years old and was a 1B from Duke drafted two years ago I believe. You're right it was Sutton. He was hitting .373 in AAA though at 33 yrs old he doesn't have a big future Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palehosefan Posted August 26, 2004 Share Posted August 26, 2004 Yep, but its always nice to see career minor leaguers called up and get a shot. We just have too many career minor leaguers on our AAA and AA teams, especially at the beginning of the year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elcaballo45 Posted August 26, 2004 Share Posted August 26, 2004 What landed him before the deadline on my MVP Baseball season was Danny Wright and Koch for Pierre, but i dont think that will work out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
He_Gawn Posted August 26, 2004 Share Posted August 26, 2004 What landed him before the deadline on my MVP Baseball season was Danny Wright and Koch for Pierre, but i dont think that will work out. I had the same exact deal on mine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeremyb Posted August 26, 2004 Share Posted August 26, 2004 Lee plays LF. His bat is too live and ceiling too high to move him. Rowand is in CF; after break-out '04 campaign, he ain't going anywhere. Everett is signed through 2005, and unless Sox exercise the buy-out clause, he will start in RF next year, hopefully completely healthy and mentally fresh. Of course I'll take Pierre (who wouldn't?) if Sox could somehow get rid of Everett....not for Marte and Uribe, though. A prospect package might work for me. In fact, Sox might have a Pierre of their own in Mike Spidale, lol. I doubt Marlins would bite. I certainly wouldn't put any plans on hold just to keep Everett in the lineup {though I do think he's hurting this yr more than he's let on] Frank will probably need some time off, that's if he's even ready for '05. So having Everett may be necessary at DH, and RF. Whether its Pierre or not, the Sox need a proven leadoff man. Willie should be penciled in as the #9 hitter. Spidale does have better numbers than Anderson though. Sox should pray Everett has a torrid (see his 2003 April) finish to this season, which would at least create some decent trade value. When he is healthy, he could still handle a corner OF more or less adequetely and doesn't clog bases. For now I am fine with Willie/Hairston or Willie/Polanco platoon. If Sox could swing Pierre without having to give up major talent, then by all means. What other lead-off man did you have in mind? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
He_Gawn Posted August 26, 2004 Share Posted August 26, 2004 6-2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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beck72 Posted August 27, 2004 Author Share Posted August 27, 2004 For now I am fine with Willie/Hairston or Willie/Polanco platoon. If Sox could swing Pierre without having to give up major talent, then by all means. What other lead-off man did you have in mind? As far as your ideas about a platoon w/ Willie, I think the sox have other holes to fill. Willie should improve on his 1st yr and hit .280+, with a decent OBP in '05. as far as leadoff, I started another thread on this. Omar Vizquel at SS would be a likely guy, as Cle. probably won't p/u his 05 option. They have a guy ready in AAA. There aren't many FA's who would hit leadoff, Dave Roberts one of them. David Eckstein maybe. But other guys would have to be acquired via trade--Cesar Izturis [if LA gets Nomar]; Chone Figgins; Jimmy Rollins [Phi. needs to make changes ala the Sox, so he could be part of the retooling process]. SS and CF are the best spots to get a leadoff guy. With Rowand able to move to RF, and w/ a better SLG % than Lee or PK, the Sox can afford to get an OBP guy in CF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JimH Posted August 27, 2004 Share Posted August 27, 2004 the Sox can afford to get an OBP guy in CF That will be Brian Anderson in '06. Look for Rowand to stay right where he's at (CF) for one more season - they want to make sure he's for real. You're right about Everett, he is good for some RF play and insurance at DH. Even if by some miracle Ordonez comes back for a one year deal, it still makes sense to pick up the option on Everett. I agree he is hurting more than we know. Ken Williams is not the type of GM who will just say "screw it, we're going to blow this thing up and rebuild." He's not tuned that way. I look for the Sox to change some key pieces ... SS being one, as discussed in this thread. They'll add pitching and change a few bullpen pieces. I think Williams and Guillen have seen enough of Cliff Politte and Mike Jackson is a foregone conclusion. Infield and pitching is where I personally expect most of the changes. If we sit back and think about it, if we had good-to-above average production out of 3B and SS this year, we'd be one hell of a lot closer. Oh, and that nagging 5th starter thing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beck72 Posted August 27, 2004 Author Share Posted August 27, 2004 Infield and pitching is where I personally expect most of the changes. If we sit back and think about it, if we had good-to-above average production out of 3B and SS this year, we'd be one hell of a lot closer. Oh, and that nagging 5th starter thing I too expect the Sox to make IF changes. SS, 3B, 1B are all possibilities. If the Sox land a FA like Vizquel they don't have to make OF changes. They have Rowand in CF, Lee in LF, and someone in RF [Escobar, Everett, Andres Torres, Borchard]. They wouldn't need Pierre, as Anderson is very close to the majors. You and I are in agreement on Uribe. Keep him in the super sub role, and insurance in case of an injury to anyone at 3B, SS or 2B. Crede could be traded if they aren't sold on him. More likely, he'll stay and PK could go [get a LH hitting sweet fielding replacement--a nick johnson type who makes contact and gets on base] So the Sox wouldn't make many trades. Just one, and not resigning Maggs and Jose. The FA market would be the best way to go. Then the Sox don't have to dip into their depth. which Uribe plays a solid role in for the Sox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
israel4ever Posted August 27, 2004 Share Posted August 27, 2004 I read a rumor (ESPN) that said that the Yankees will sign Carl Pavano for $8 million/per, during this off season. If that's all it will take to get him, WE NEED TO SIGN HIM! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beck72 Posted August 27, 2004 Author Share Posted August 27, 2004 I read a rumor (ESPN) that said that the Yankees will sign Carl Pavano for $8 million/per, during this off season. If that's all it will take to get him, WE NEED TO SIGN HIM! Most FA's SP's will fall into that price range, between $6-9 mill. Very doable Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFanForever Posted August 27, 2004 Share Posted August 27, 2004 Most FA's SP's will fall into that price range, between $6-9 mill. Very doable Agreed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted August 27, 2004 Share Posted August 27, 2004 I wouldn't offer up Marte for Figgins, but I would give the Angels Cotts and I think they would probably be interested. However, I do think the Sox need another top of the order person. I also think they need a new shortstop and a left handed bat somewhere in the middle part of the order. My main thinking was that Omar could fit into ss and fill the top of the lineup with Harris, or you could have Omar leadoff and Rowand hit in the 2 hole with Harris in the 9 spot. Add a left handed bat in RF or CF for the middle portion of the lineup and have Rowand play CF or RF. Add a starter and a couple bullpen arms. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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