ManSooLee Posted August 27, 2004 Share Posted August 27, 2004 Free agents Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ManSooLee Posted August 27, 2004 Author Share Posted August 27, 2004 Hey 50 of my posts were deleted What happend? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Showtime Posted August 27, 2004 Share Posted August 27, 2004 Hey 50 of my posts were deleted What happend? Posts we're lost when the board was wiped out yesterday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ManSooLee Posted August 27, 2004 Author Share Posted August 27, 2004 Oh cant they just add them back on., Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Showtime Posted August 27, 2004 Share Posted August 27, 2004 Oh cant they just add them back on., That's out of my hands. Does it really matter? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobDylan Posted August 28, 2004 Share Posted August 28, 2004 I'd like to have Orlando Cabrera. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orangekrush88 Posted August 28, 2004 Share Posted August 28, 2004 Does anyone think any of our free angents will be back? I don't and if we can get a stud pitcher like Pedro I ope they aren't back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted August 28, 2004 Share Posted August 28, 2004 Oh cant they just add them back on., It's just 50 posts. This is a CRUCIAL offseason for the white Sox. Do we sign a Corey Koskie to replace Crede at 3rd, or a Omar Vizzquel to replace Jose Valentin at SS. Do we sign a true top of the rotation starter, or do we just go for a #3 or #4 starter? Should be very interesting to watch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxman352000 Posted August 28, 2004 Share Posted August 28, 2004 I think the Sox should let Maggs and Jose walk. Pick up Carl Pavano, Frank Cattlanotto, and mabey even a Dave burba (having a nice year last I checked). We need 1 more good starting pitcher, some more contact hitters, another solid arm in the bullpen. And for god sakes let willie play everyday. enough of the platoon s*** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
He_Gawn Posted August 28, 2004 Share Posted August 28, 2004 All I want for Christmas is Pedro and someone else thats freaking awesome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted August 28, 2004 Share Posted August 28, 2004 All I want for Christmas is Pedro and someone else thats freaking awesome. I think the Giants will get one of either Maggs or Pedro this off-season. Wouldn't Schmidt and Pedro be an insane 1-2 punch though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted August 28, 2004 Share Posted August 28, 2004 I really hope we don't sign mags if he's still able to get more than 14 mill. We'll have alot of flexibility this year finacially, assuming we let Jose walk. Not to mention, we might increase payroll with the increased attendance. This years pitching FA's seem so 'fricken deep, although its just a bit thin at the top. I hope we add a frontline starter to make the most formidable staff in the bigs. I also want to get a nice middle infielder with a high OBP who can lead off, letting willie bat the 9 hole. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted August 28, 2004 Share Posted August 28, 2004 Dave Burba!! J.D. Drew would be a nice replacement in RF and a Pavano would solidify our rotation, bumping Garland to #5. Pedro would be good, I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dasox24 Posted August 28, 2004 Share Posted August 28, 2004 Pick up Carl Pavano, Frank Cattlanotto I definitely agree with hoping we get those two. Don't know about Burba, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted August 28, 2004 Share Posted August 28, 2004 Dave Burba!! J.D. Drew would be a nice replacement in RF and a Pavano would solidify our rotation, bumping Garland to #5. Pedro would be good, I guess. Forget bout Drew, Scott Boras is his agent, he'll definitely get a double figure per year contract I'd think. A leadoff guy like Dave Roberts, or a excellent contact hitter like Frank Catalanotto would be much better options, and allow us to save money for fill more holes or sign a better free agent starter for our rotation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeremyb Posted August 28, 2004 Share Posted August 28, 2004 JD Drew is arguably better this year than Magglio has ever been. Better hitter. Better fielder. Better baserunner. Actually came through when his team needed him the most, as opposed to having his career year when his team is 15 games out of first, wink-wink. If Drew was playing half his games in USCF, he'd be a 1050+ OPS hitter. He's also 2 years younger than Maggs and appears to have just entered his prime, a late bloomer in the Jim Edmonds mold. If Beltran is looking for 16-18 Mill a year, Boras will ask at least 13-14 for Drew. Out of our price range given his health history. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pastime Posted August 28, 2004 Share Posted August 28, 2004 If Beltran is looking for 16-18 Mill a year, Boras will ask at least 13-14 for Drew. Out of our price range given his health history. Plus, don't forget the very strained relationship that Jerry Reinsdorf has with Scott Boras (although a lot of people have trouble dealing with him, when you get right down to it). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
israel4ever Posted August 28, 2004 Share Posted August 28, 2004 Any of the following guys off of that list would greatly improve the Sox for 2005 and beyond. Pitchers...Percival, Trevor Hoffman, Pavano, Pedro, Radke, Clement, Russ Ortiz, Kris Benson, Odalis Perez, Matt Morris, Woody Williams, Milwood and/or Milton. Catchers...Dan Wilson, Brent Mayne, Mike Metheny 1B...Delgado, Sexson SS...Nomar or Renteria 3B...Glaus, Beltre, Koskie OF...Beltran, BUrnitz, Drew Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BamaDoc Posted August 28, 2004 Share Posted August 28, 2004 I didn't think I saw Davis on the list. I think he might be a relative priority. Otherwise it is economics, economics, economics. There are several similar free agents who want big money but less teams that can aford them. You must prioritize who you want and if the don't come reasonably you wait and pick up the left out players. I'm saying left out not left over because there will be some quality players that have to settle for less. Instead of a 95 rated player you may get a 90-85 and 2-3 role players. I would love to see some hard core agents left holding the bag. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSteve Posted August 28, 2004 Share Posted August 28, 2004 Any of the following guys off of that list would greatly improve the Sox for 2005 and beyond. Pitchers...Percival, Trevor Hoffman, Pavano, Pedro, Radke, Clement, Russ Ortiz, Kris Benson, Odalis Perez, Matt Morris, Woody Williams, Milwood and/or Milton. Catchers...Dan Wilson, Brent Mayne, Mike Metheny 1B...Delgado, Sexson SS...Nomar or Renteria 3B...Glaus, Beltre, Koskie OF...Beltran, BUrnitz, Drew Burnitz has a mutual option, he isn't going anywhere. How about Chris Carpenter? Or Jeff Kent? Danny Bautista? Rich Aurillia? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoomSlowik Posted August 28, 2004 Share Posted August 28, 2004 Please no to J.D. Drew unless he is around $8 mil or less. Don't be sucked in by this one year of relative health and solid production. His career high in games played is 135. This guy is about as injury prone as they come. This is the kind of guy you should avoid in free agency- a player with an injury riddled history coming off a career year and seeking a multi year deal for tons of money. Someone is going to sign him for at least 5 years and $60 mil IMO, and I think they'll regret that eventually. By the way, even this year I wouldn't say he is as good as Maggs at his best. Drew's numbers this year- 114 games(35 games left), 90 runs, 28 homers, 78 RBI, .305 average, .419 OBP(I'll admit that last number is pretty impressive). Maggs' best year- 153 games, 116 runs, 38 HR, 135 RBI, .320 average, .381 OBP. Maggs has a better list of full years for comparison than Drew, but it appears that they are about a draw in runs and homers, Maggs has a good lead in RBI and BA, while Drew walks a bit more, although it is hard to tell because Drew has never played a full year. So I'd say Maggs is a better hitter and neither really have a lead in fielding or running(neither are stellar). Since this is his first full year, how can you say Drew comes through when his team needs him? You don't think the Cards needed him the last few years, while he was alternating between getting hurt and sucking? His one stellar year before this he only made it through 109 games, and he had years where he only hit .242 and .252. Maggs' career low is .282, and he has been able to stay on the field before this year. Drew has talent, but he looks like a pretty big risk for a major contract. I'm not necessarily saying we should keep Maggs rather than sign Drew(although I'd like to see it happen depending on how his knee holds up and what kind of contract he can actually get), but I am saying I'd rather see them do other things with their $ this offseason. I'd love to see Clement, Perez, or Pavano, while adding Cattalanato in RF, Koskie or Glaus at 3rd, another solid arm in the pen, and Renteria or Cabrera at SS(yes, I know it is highly unlikely we see all of those, but 3 or 4 out of 5 would be nice. The pen shouldn't cost much, and Koskie and Cattalanato should be affordable). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted August 28, 2004 Share Posted August 28, 2004 Saying you'd like J. D. Drew on your team is one thing. Saying you'd pay him Magglio money is another. Drew is very solid, but he's not worth a multiyear deal at 8 digits per year, that's for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilliamTell Posted August 28, 2004 Share Posted August 28, 2004 I think the Giants will get one of either Maggs or Pedro this off-season. Wouldn't Schmidt and Pedro be an insane 1-2 punch though. If that happens, all I can say is I'm glad the Sox aren't in the N.L. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeremyb Posted August 28, 2004 Share Posted August 28, 2004 By the way, even this year I wouldn't say he is as good as Maggs at his best. Drew's numbers this year- 114 games(35 games left), 90 runs, 28 homers, 78 RBI, .305 average, .419 OBP(I'll admit that last number is pretty impressive). Maggs' best year- 153 games, 116 runs, 38 HR, 135 RBI, .320 average, .381 OBP Oh there is no doubt Drew's 2004 is better than Magglio's 2002. In our super hitter-friendly ballpark, Drew would have an OPS of 1050-1070 this year easily; his biggest offensive stretch came when his team was about to fall out of contention altogether, he put the team on his back until Giles got healthy and Chipper, Andruw and Furcal actually started to earn their salaries. Meanwhile, Magglio's career high OPS is 978, which would be 950 at Turner's Field, and it was accomplished in a year when Sox fell out of it early and never really challenged the superior Twins team. Drew is also a better defensive RF and a faster, smarter baserunner this year than Maggs was in '02. Health is the only reason why Drew never put together a great year before '04. Now that he is healthy, he is on his way to Jim Edmonds/Raphael Palmeiro type career where he is posting much better numbers after the age of 28 (performance peak for an average player) than he did before. Should his health history be ignored? No. But neither should his outstanding talent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pastime Posted August 29, 2004 Share Posted August 29, 2004 Drew is in his contract year, is he not? Trust me, once he gets a long-term deal, he'll start ending up on the DL with anything from a hangnail to a itch in his left nostril. I'll base my opinion of him more on his previous seasons than his "contract drive" this season. In June, some of his Braves teammates weren't all that enamored with him sitting out for a week with a little pain in his ankle while a few of them were getting cortisone shots for "little aches and pains" that they tried to play through. If you need the link to that, I'll search for it. He's fragile, and if I want to pay a high salary to someone who sits out a lot with aches and pains, then let's just sign Nomar Garciaparra. Say No To Drugs. Say No To Drew. Say Yes To Filthy Sex. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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