LowerCaseRepublican Posted August 28, 2004 Share Posted August 28, 2004 http://www.bushflash.com/wmf/beeb.mp3 The media of our ally in the UK conducted a very interesting interview with a US Marine who was in Iraq. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NUKE_CLEVELAND Posted August 28, 2004 Share Posted August 28, 2004 http://www.bushflash.com/wmf/beeb.mp3 The media of our ally in the UK conducted a very interesting interview with a US Marine who was in Iraq. Those intelligence reports saying that the Fedayeen were wearing civillian clothes were totally accurate as the attached picture indicates. This was taken by me as we rolled north up highway 8 toward Baghdad on April 5th of last year. Those uniforms discarded on the side of the road are uniforms of the Iraqi Republican guard. Additionally, my unit and several others that we worked closely with in that area captured Iraqi soldiers who were carrying a set of civillian clothes on their person as they went into combat with us. When interrogated they said that they were planning to move forward in uniform, make a hit and run attack on our forces as they moved forward and then change into civvies and melt into the local population and escape to fight again later. The Marine in the interview failed to mention that fact and he also failed to mention, or simply didn't know about several instances at U.S. checkpoints where Iraqi civillians came to our soldiers purporting to need help and actually did detonate a car full of explosives, as he mentioned he heard reports of or, as happened to one soldier from the Army's 3d Infantry Division, shot him in the head at point blank range when the soldier came forward to see what the driver's problem was. There were many more instances like that involving "civillians" opening fire on U.S. troops and fake surrenders by Iraqi military forces. Did some innocent people die over there? Of course, that's part of war but I can hardly blame U.S. troops for being trigger happy when their own die under such circumstances as I mentioned in the last paragraph. Additionally, for the word "genocide" to come into play is totally ludicrous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
israel4ever Posted August 28, 2004 Share Posted August 28, 2004 Those intelligence reports saying that the Fedayeen were wearing civillian clothes were totally accurate as the attached picture indicates. This was taken by me as we rolled north up highway 8 toward Baghdad on April 5th of last year. Those uniforms discarded on the side of the road are uniforms of the Iraqi Republican guard. Additionally, my unit and several others that we worked closely with in that area captured Iraqi soldiers who were carrying a set of civillian clothes on their person as they went into combat with us. When interrogated they said that they were planning to move forward in uniform, make a hit and run attack on our forces as they moved forward and then change into civvies and melt into the local population and escape to fight again later. The Marine in the interview failed to mention that fact and he also failed to mention, or simply didn't know about several instances at U.S. checkpoints where Iraqi civillians came to our soldiers purporting to need help and actually did detonate a car full of explosives, as he mentioned he heard reports of or, as happened to one soldier from the Army's 3d Infantry Division, shot him in the head at point blank range when the soldier came forward to see what the driver's problem was. There were many more instances like that involving "civillians" opening fire on U.S. troops and fake surrenders by Iraqi military forces. Did some innocent people die over there? Of course, that's part of war but I can hardly blame U.S. troops for being trigger happy when their own die under such circumstances as I mentioned in the last paragraph. Additionally, for the word "genocide" to come into play is totally ludicrous. Consider the source(es) Nuke...the BBC is very pro-Arab and pro-Palestinian (as is the individual who brought this thread to our attention!). They would never air anything on the BBC that is not sympathetic to the Muslim cause. I would suggest you check out WWW.HONESTREPORTING.COM and look at the history of biased reporting by the BBC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted August 28, 2004 Share Posted August 28, 2004 Those uniforms discarded on the side of the road are uniforms of the Iraqi Republican guard. Additionally, my unit and several others that we worked closely with in that area captured Iraqi soldiers who were carrying a set of civillian clothes on their person as they went into combat with us. When interrogated they said that they were planning to move forward in uniform, make a hit and run attack on our forces as they moved forward and then change into civvies and melt into the local population and escape to fight again later. Hiding in plain sight using civilian clothes is as old as war. Which is why I cannot understand the Swift Boat Veterans making a big deal about the kid in question wearing PJs. Kids killed out soldiers also and they all didn't wear uniforms. Another area that the swift boat vets against Kerry are hurting the rank and file soldier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LowerCaseRepublican Posted August 28, 2004 Author Share Posted August 28, 2004 OMG, I4E...that's hilarious. I love the "Terror Victim" links. Only Israelis can be victims of terror? What a f***ing farce. They should call themselves "Zionist_Palestinian_Haters_and_Racists_Reporting.com" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LowerCaseRepublican Posted August 28, 2004 Author Share Posted August 28, 2004 Nuke, he's just reporting what he saw in Iraq. During the 1st Gulf War, I spoke with my friend Paul who was stationed over there in the front. He gave me quite a different view of the war than I was seeing in the media and told me that what he was seeing was a lot different than the sanitized version we were seeing in the US. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NUKE_CLEVELAND Posted August 28, 2004 Share Posted August 28, 2004 Hiding in plain sight using civilian clothes is as old as war. Which is why I cannot understand the Swift Boat Veterans making a big deal about the kid in question wearing PJs. Kids killed out soldiers also and they all didn't wear uniforms. Another area that the swift boat vets against Kerry are hurting the rank and file soldier. When it comes to Kerry and what he may have done or not done in Vietnam I really dont care about that. He went there and did his time and came back. Good for him. What he did after the war is why I despise the man. He came home, got in front of the Senate and TV cameras and basically labeled U.S. combat troops as murderers and baby killers and fabricated stories about atrocities he said he saw in Vietnam. If that wasn't enough he went to the U.S. Capitol and threw the medals he's now so proud of away along with other protestors. If that wasn't enough now this guy, after protesting so hard against the war and savaging U.S. troops who served there, is running on his war record. Now that it's cool to be an American soldier again, he wants to thump his chest like he's some great warrior or something. Please. You can't have it both ways Mr. Kerry. There's a reason why those swift boat ads are having such an effect on him and it's making Kerry nervous cause they are costing him points with veterans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted August 28, 2004 Share Posted August 28, 2004 When it comes to Kerry and what he may have done or not done in Vietnam I really dont care about that. He went there and did his time and came back. Good for him. What he did after the war is why I despise the man. He came home, got in front of the Senate and TV cameras and basically labeled U.S. combat troops as murderers and baby killers and fabricated stories about atrocities he said he saw in Vietnam. If that wasn't enough he went to the U.S. Capitol and threw the medals he's now so proud of away along with other protestors. If that wasn't enough now this guy, after protesting so hard against the war and savaging U.S. troops who served there, is running on his war record. Now that it's cool to be an American soldier again, he wants to thump his chest like he's some great warrior or something. Please. You can't have it both ways Mr. Kerry. There's a reason why those swift boat ads are having such an effect on him and it's making Kerry nervous cause they are costing him points with veterans. Neither one of our presidential candidates are worth the powder to blow them to hell. But then, neither was our last president. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted August 28, 2004 Share Posted August 28, 2004 (edited) When it comes to Kerry and what he may have done or not done in Vietnam I really dont care about that. He went there and did his time and came back. Good for him. What he did after the war is why I despise the man. He came home, got in front of the Senate and TV cameras and basically labeled U.S. combat troops as murderers and baby killers and fabricated stories about atrocities he said he saw in Vietnam. If that wasn't enough he went to the U.S. Capitol and threw the medals he's now so proud of away along with other protestors. If that wasn't enough now this guy, after protesting so hard against the war and savaging U.S. troops who served there, is running on his war record. Now that it's cool to be an American soldier again, he wants to thump his chest like he's some great warrior or something. Please. You can't have it both ways Mr. Kerry. There's a reason why those swift boat ads are having such an effect on him and it's making Kerry nervous cause they are costing him points with veterans. Presidential candidates cannot pick and choose what they run on. Every candidate will have everything brought up. It would be like stating Bush cannot simultaniously criticize Kerry's anti-war remarks then dismiss his service in Nam. The candidates entire life is open for inspection, praise, and criticism. How many veterans just wanted to leave their service behind them, didn't mention it on resumes, didn't tell war stories, prefering to just let it die? They too, are now enjoying the new found enthusiasm for soldiers. There are many who followed Kerry's path, only in relative obscurity. At the end of the day I think what the swift boat guys are doing will be more damaging than Kerry's remarks a couple decades ago. During a time of great respect for the military, the swift boat vets are the most vocal in dismissing honor medals, throwing into light killing anyone not in regulation uniform, killing anyone not running towards them with a rifle, killing any teenager. I remember a gentleman visiting a neighbor who had the Purple Heart license plates. I told my kids that he was a true hero, someone who had been injured defending our country. I told my kids that medal meant something. Now I'm told they handed them out like candy, that men received them for very minor injuries. Thank you swift boat vets. And a Bronze Star! My God these guys should have momuments to them. But sadly, that too has been portraid as some military charade. Thank you swift boat vets. The swift boat vets too cannot have it both ways. They cannot tear down Kerry without tearing down themselves and every other person who has had the privilege to serve our country's military. Edited August 28, 2004 by Texsox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted August 28, 2004 Share Posted August 28, 2004 Dismissing honor medals? Like throwing them in a river ... but not really. That was just for show. He's still got his. The dude has the backbone of a ......... f*** it. He ain't no goddamn war hero. He's a disgrace to the uniform and every person wearing it or who ever did wear it. Scum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NUKE_CLEVELAND Posted August 28, 2004 Share Posted August 28, 2004 Presidential candidates cannot pick and choose what they run on. Every candidate will have everything brought up. It would be like stating Bush cannot simultaniously criticize Kerry's anti-war remarks then dismiss his service in Nam. The candidates entire life is open for inspection, praise, and criticism. How many veterans just wanted to leave their service behind them, didn't mention it on resumes, didn't tell war stories, prefering to just let it die? They too, are now enjoying the new found enthusiasm for soldiers. There are many who followed Kerry's path, only in relative obscurity. At the end of the day I think what the swift boat guys are doing will be more damaging than Kerry's remarks a couple decades ago. During a time of great respect for the military, the swift boat vets are the most vocal in dismissing honor medals, throwing into light killing anyone not in regulation uniform, killing anyone not running towards them with a rifle, killing any teenager. I remember a gentleman visiting a neighbor who had the Purple Heart license plates. I told my kids that he was a true hero, someone who had been injured defending our country. I told my kids that medal meant something. Now I'm told they handed them out like candy, that men received them for very minor injuries. Thank you swift boat vets. And a Bronze Star! My God these guys should have momuments to them. But sadly, that too has been portraid as some military charade. Thank you swift boat vets. The swift boat vets too cannot have it both ways. They cannot tear down Kerry without tearing down themselves and every other person who has had the privilege to serve our country's military. You mention Bronze Stars? They were, in fact, handed out like candy during Iraqi Freedom. I dont know how it was in Vietnam though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted August 28, 2004 Share Posted August 28, 2004 Nuke, I do not believe any Democratic candidate in my generation counted on any veteran votes. The military is very conservative. Even if you go in as a Dem, you'll come out as a GOP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NUKE_CLEVELAND Posted August 28, 2004 Share Posted August 28, 2004 Nuke, I do not believe any Democratic candidate in my generation counted on any veteran votes. The military is very conservative. Even if you go in as a Dem, you'll come out as a GOP. It's not about veteran votes though. It's the blatant hypocrasy from this man that is the issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted August 28, 2004 Share Posted August 28, 2004 It's not about veteran votes though. It's the blatant hypocrasy from this man that is the issue. You mentioned Kerry was nervous about the effects on veterans, I think most veterans had their minds made up a long time ago. It would take an extraordinary series of events to get them to vote Democratic. YASNY, thank you for proving my point. The swift boat vets are doing the same thing Kerry has done. One of the swift boat vets that has now denied ever being in Cambodia was on the record for stating he was in Cambodia. These guys are tools for others to use in a smear campaign that ultimately will knock down all military honors. It's funny watching both parties react to a unique campaign. A Dem candidate who served and a GOP who used influence to at the min avoid Viet Nam and at worst used it to avoid the National Guard service as well. Shades of Dole - Clinton with each side now getting the chance to play the other guy's cards. Kap has in his sig, they all do it. Don't lose site that each side is now doing what they accused the other of doing during the Clinton races. Dems circa 1992 and 1996 "Viet Nam service didn't matter" now believe it does and vice versa. I think I'm going to be a RINO in this election, but it has nothing to do with what either party did 30+ years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
israel4ever Posted August 28, 2004 Share Posted August 28, 2004 OMG, I4E...that's hilarious. I love the "Terror Victim" links. Only Israelis can be victims of terror? What a f***ing farce. They should call themselves "Zionist_Palestinian_Haters_and_Racists_Reporting.com" No more hilarious than the bulls*** you post EVERY day, and try to pass off as the truth. The main difference, is that HONEST REPORTING is 100% factual, you choose to look at pro-terrorist propaganda! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
israel4ever Posted August 28, 2004 Share Posted August 28, 2004 Dismissing honor medals? Like throwing them in a river ... but not really. That was just for show. He's still got his. The dude has the backbone of a ......... f*** it. He ain't no goddamn war hero. He's a disgrace to the uniform and every person wearing it or who ever did wear it. Scum. As opposed to Bush, who hid from the Viet Nam war in Texas?!? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted August 28, 2004 Share Posted August 28, 2004 I believe there can be no objective reporting from either side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted August 28, 2004 Share Posted August 28, 2004 As opposed to Bush, who hid from the Viet Nam war in Texas?!? There is no proof he was in Texas, or anywhere else for that matter. They cannot find the records and no one remembers. Which brings up another point. Why do these swift boat vets have such great memories yet no one who served in the guard could remember Bush? Perhaps battle sharpens ones memory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
israel4ever Posted August 28, 2004 Share Posted August 28, 2004 There is no proof he was in Texas, or anywhere else for that matter. They cannot find the records and no one remembers. Which brings up another point. Why do these swift boat vets have such great memories yet no one who served in the guard could remember Bush? Perhaps battle sharpens ones memory. Maybe he wasn't in Tejas, but he sure as Hell wasn't in Nam! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted August 29, 2004 Share Posted August 29, 2004 Maybe he wasn't in Tejas, but he sure as Hell wasn't in Nam! Not "as opposed to Bush". I said neither was worth the powder to blow them to hell. Bush and Clinton dodged Nam. Kerry went and came back and disrespected all his brothers in arms by sniffing Hanoi Jane's tail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NUKE_CLEVELAND Posted August 29, 2004 Share Posted August 29, 2004 Maybe he wasn't in Tejas, but he sure as Hell wasn't in Nam! You know what I find that is really f***ed up? The media give people like Micheal Moore and those bomb throwing radical leftist websites like MoveOn.org a total pass when they use words like "deserter" and "AWOL" or when they use words like "coke head" and "alcoholic" to describe the President but when a group buys some time on TV and starts questioning Kerry's Vietnam story and calling him out on his hypocrasies they leave no stone unturned in criticizing these people and trying to disprove what they say ( unsuccessfully I might add ). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
israel4ever Posted August 29, 2004 Share Posted August 29, 2004 What's really "messed up" is that neither Kerry's nor Bush's military records should mean anything re. the upcoming election. This shouldn't even be an issue(s). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted August 29, 2004 Share Posted August 29, 2004 You know what I find that is really f***ed up? The media give people like Micheal Moore and those bomb throwing radical leftist websites like MoveOn.org a total pass when they use words like "deserter" and "AWOL" or when they use words like "coke head" and "alcoholic" to describe the President but when a group buys some time on TV and starts questioning Kerry's Vietnam story and calling him out on his hypocrasies they leave no stone unturned in criticizing these people and trying to disprove what they say ( unsuccessfully I might add ). Maybe moveon was correct if Rush, Hannity, Oreilly, Laura, Reagan, and the other 100 conservative talk show hosts didn't take them to task for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilMonkey Posted August 29, 2004 Share Posted August 29, 2004 Presidential candidates cannot pick and choose what they run on. Problem is, Kerry DID pick his service as an issue to run on, which is why it is being talked about endlessly. He served, get over it. It will have no bearing on how he will be as a President. His Senate record should be a better barometer of how well he will do. The votes he made, the votes he didn't bother to show up for, the committee meetings he never bothered to attend, etc. are what SHOULD be talked about, not whether or not Kerry was a dumbass who injured himself or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LowerCaseRepublican Posted August 29, 2004 Author Share Posted August 29, 2004 Let's face it. Neither of these goons are fit or capable to be President. Nothing is going to really change with either Lurch or the Idiot in power. Under democracy one party always devotes its chief energies to trying to prove that the other party is unfit to rule -- and both commonly succeed and are right. -HL Mencken It's a sad day when our country says we have nobody better to run than a guy on the conservative platform who is not a conservative by any means and a center-right Democrat for his opposition. Get ready for Nov. and yet another edition of 'Choose Your Aristocrat!' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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