1549 Posted August 29, 2004 Share Posted August 29, 2004 Holy s***, forget about best season of anyone this year, I think he might be having one of the best seasons in minor league history. He started the season in single-A and is now in triple-A Here are his combined numbers: 14-3; 21 G; 127.2 IP; 1.91 ERA; 1.09 WHIP; 10.19 K/9; 1 HR Here is a small level by level break down: A- 2.50 ERA in 50.1 IP AA- 1.94 ERA in 46.1 IP AAA- 0.87 ERA in 31 IP I wish I were a braves fan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted August 29, 2004 Share Posted August 29, 2004 Capellan is definately sick, so is Jeff Francis and even Brandon McCarthy. However, those two probably have higher ceilings than McCarthy and they definately have more hype. Still, your right, Capellan should be a legitametly stellar prospect and he's definately climbed through the levels. Whats sick is just one homer allowed, damn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted August 29, 2004 Share Posted August 29, 2004 Holy s***, forget about best season of anyone this year, I think he might be having one of the best seasons in minor league history. He started the season in single-A and is now in triple-A Here are his combined numbers: 14-3; 21 G; 127.2 IP; 1.91 ERA; 1.09 WHIP; 10.19 K/9; 1 HR Here is a small level by level break down: A- 2.50 ERA in 50.1 IP AA- 1.94 ERA in 46.1 IP AAA- 0.87 ERA in 31 IP I wish I were a braves fan I was very impressed by this guy in the futures game, he definitely has a chance to be special. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1549 Posted August 29, 2004 Author Share Posted August 29, 2004 Did I mention he throws his fastball at 100+ with movement I am glad I have his bowman rookie card Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dasox24 Posted August 29, 2004 Share Posted August 29, 2004 Whats sick is just one homer allowed, damn. I noticed that too, and that that was maybe the most impressive thing of any of his stats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerbaho-WG Posted August 29, 2004 Share Posted August 29, 2004 Francis has had a better season than Capellan, and Capellan will have to use his changeup effectively if he wants to stick in the Braves rotation. McCarthy, even though he has had a great deal of success this year, shouldn't be compared to Capellan and Francis. Francis is the best pitcher in all of the minors and Capellan has a holy arm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeremyb Posted August 29, 2004 Share Posted August 29, 2004 Francis has had a better season than Capellan, and Capellan will have to use his changeup effectively if he wants to stick in the Braves rotation. McCarthy, even though he has had a great deal of success this year, shouldn't be compared to Capellan and Francis. Francis is the best pitcher in all of the minors and Capellan has a holy arm. Matt Anderson used to throw 100 too IIRC. Hudson, Santana and Mulder top out at 92 and seem to be faring just fine. Let Francis and Capellan burn themselves out, Steve Dalco-style. BMac's control and make-up might eventually take him as far, if not farther, than the aformentioned flame-throwng studs. Fingers crossed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted August 29, 2004 Share Posted August 29, 2004 Maybe I'm wrong, but isn't Francis realistically a similar comparison to McCarthy. Neither of them have a blistering fastball per say, but both have excellent command and some good secondary pitches. I think you could make a case for Francis's secondary pitches being better, but Bmac's curve is pretty damn good and his changeup is getting up there. I'd say you could see Bmac and Francis having similar careers, but some of you all may just think I'm nuts. With that being said, I want to see how he does in AA over the rest of the year and both Francis and Cappellan are ahead of Bmac at this point. Capellan probably has the most upside, but thats cause of his arm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeremyb Posted August 29, 2004 Share Posted August 29, 2004 I'd say you could see Bmac and Francis having similar careers, but some of you all may just think I'm nuts. Nuts? Why? Because you value deceptive delivery, pinpoint control and changing of speeds over a blistering fastball? Look at Hudson, Mulder, Zito, Santana, Livan, Maddux, Mussina, Radke, Perez, Glavine, Leiter, Boomer, Pettite, Peavy, Buerhle among others. 92 mph is as high as it gets. And yet... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted August 29, 2004 Share Posted August 29, 2004 I'm with you. While I love a damn good fastball or just a sick slider, I also realize pitchers can get away with not having that, especially if they have tremendous control and good secondary pitches. They don't need to have one great pitch, but as long as they are confident in mixing up their arsenal and hitting their spots, they will be sucessful. Plus, just becuase a guy throws 97, doesn't mean he can't not have control. Just look at Matt Anderson or anyone else that throws hard and has gotten nothing but shelled. It happens all the time. Major league hitters can hit a hard fastball if the guy can't spot it and has no secondary pitch or can't throw that secondary pitch for a strike. I see why guys with 97 MPH fastball get hyped, because if they could develop pinpoint control or for the rare ones that do, they have a huge advantage for them. If you can spot a 97 MPH fastball and have just a decent offspeed pitch, you will be very good. However, there aren't many people that can even do that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshPR Posted August 29, 2004 Share Posted August 29, 2004 Did I mention he throws his fastball at 100+ with movement I am glad I have his bowman rookie card Wonder where the Sox Scouts were, when this guy was found.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted August 29, 2004 Share Posted August 29, 2004 What round was he taken in? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted August 29, 2004 Share Posted August 29, 2004 Maybe I'm wrong, but isn't Francis realistically a similar comparison to McCarthy. Neither of them have a blistering fastball per say, but both have excellent command and some good secondary pitches. Yes, that would be fair. Keep in mind that Francis is 23 and MCCarthy is 21. Francis just happens to be a LHP and closer to the bigs, which gives him a decided advantage today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danman31 Posted August 30, 2004 Share Posted August 30, 2004 What round was he taken in? As a non American, Canadian, or Puerto Rican (I think) he wasn't eligible for the draft. He was signed as a free agent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1549 Posted August 30, 2004 Author Share Posted August 30, 2004 As a non American, Canadian, or Puerto Rican (I think) he wasn't eligible for the draft. He was signed as a free agent. This is correct...I think he is dominican. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1549 Posted August 30, 2004 Author Share Posted August 30, 2004 Nuts? Why? Because you value deceptive delivery, pinpoint control and changing of speeds over a blistering fastball? Look at Hudson, Mulder, Zito, Santana, Livan, Maddux, Mussina, Radke, Perez, Glavine, Leiter, Boomer, Pettite, Peavy, Buerhle among others. 92 mph is as high as it gets. And yet... This is true, however Randy Johnson, Pedro Martinez, and Roger Clemens have been the most dominating pitchers of the last quarter century and they were dominating because of their heat. What it all comes down to is pinpoint control or the ability to strike a lot batters out. Bill James has noted that pitchers who don't have a better than average strike out total have less longevity than strike out pitchers. The anti-thesis in this case would be Jamie Moyer, but your aren't going to blow out your arm throwing fastball/change up/fastball/change up like Moyer often does. Look at Al Leiter on your list, the guy is a walk machine, however he also strikes a ton of batters out and therefore is near the top of the league in ERA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeremyb Posted August 30, 2004 Share Posted August 30, 2004 This is true, however Randy Johnson, Pedro Martinez, and Roger Clemens have been the most dominating pitchers of the last quarter century and they were dominating because of their heat. Pinpoint control, fantastic movement and pure intimidation are what made Pedro - Pedro. Velocity was a nice bonus that made him a great pitcher instead of merely very good. Clemens, too, had good control and an unhittable secondary pitch - he'd be just another Matt Anderson or Kyle Farnsworth if all he had going for him was his heater. Randy Johnson? He threw 99 mph in his early-mid-20s. He was also a veritable pinata until he learned to locate and set hitters up. Deception. Control. Movement. Speed differential. More control. If you have mastered those ancient concepts, you don't need to throw 95+ to make hitters look silly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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