Gene Honda Civic Posted August 30, 2004 Share Posted August 30, 2004 I think a solid case can be made for each guy on the list. Present your case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xero Posted August 30, 2004 Share Posted August 30, 2004 Carlos, but if ARow played as much as Lee did, I would pick Rowand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queen Prawn Posted August 30, 2004 Share Posted August 30, 2004 For me it is a toss up between Rowand and Konerko. I gave Rowand my vote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFanForever Posted August 30, 2004 Share Posted August 30, 2004 For me it is a toss up between Rowand and Konerko. I gave Rowand my vote. Same here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yoda Posted August 30, 2004 Share Posted August 30, 2004 I voted for Aaron. He’s been doing such a good job for a team that isn’t going anywhere in the season. Hopefully he can contribute next year by doing the same thing he’s doing at the moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshPR Posted August 30, 2004 Share Posted August 30, 2004 El Caballo Loco de los Medias Blancas de Chicago.... Aaron Rowand Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBlackSox8 Posted August 30, 2004 Share Posted August 30, 2004 God...the Sox need for Arow not to be having a fuke season this year. IMO i think it isn't a fluke, i think this is the true Rowand, and i hope he stays on the team for a long time. Maybe a few years from now we'll be voting for Arow for league MVP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSGuy406 Posted August 30, 2004 Share Posted August 30, 2004 Aaron Rowand, without a doubt. The PERFECT approach to hitting (probably not breaking balls, though.). A guy like Aaron Rowand is why a guy like Carlos Lee pisses the f*** out of me. Fine, Carlos will hit his 30+ HRs, probably drive in 100+ RBIs. But when he had that 27 game hit streak, he was using all of the fields - and did any single person on here give one flying f*** that he only had like three homers (sorry for the language)? No. Yet - Carlos went to Greg Walker, and told him he didn't like not hitting homers. Carlos could hit .340, IMHO - yet he doesn't want to just hit 15-25 homers. Grr... Back to Aaron - Aaron uses all of the field, he had a short, quick swing, and he lets his homers come to him. He'll bunt for hits (that's the one thing I'd like him to work on), he's a five-tool player (Gun, Hose, Power, Average, Speed. The car reference in Moneyball .). I know some people might not like this comparison, but can I call him Carlos Beltran Jr? Would that be going out of line? Obviously not the speed of Carlos, but Aaron hits for higher average, same amount of homers, same defense, IMHO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danman31 Posted August 30, 2004 Share Posted August 30, 2004 Rowand has scored 14 more runs, however Konerko has driven in 40 more. If Rowand was getting playing time all season he is the MVP, however he hasn't done enough the whole season to warrant that. If Carlos Lee wasn't such a dope he could easily be the MVP, scoring 78 and driving in 83. Let's not forget the most valuable split: RISP. Lee is hitting .323 with a .932 OPS, Konerko .319 with a .989 OPS, Rowand .250 with a .757 OPS. The numbers don't lie. Our team MVP is NOT Aaron Rowand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted August 30, 2004 Share Posted August 30, 2004 Mine is Paulie. He had a great comeback year and his production would have put us over the top had Frank n Maggs not got hurt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted August 30, 2004 Share Posted August 30, 2004 Rowand, no question. Why is Frank and Maggs on the list? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queen Prawn Posted August 30, 2004 Share Posted August 30, 2004 (edited) Rowand, no question. Why is Frank and Maggs on the list? Good question. Another question is why did someone vote for Thomas? People are complaining that Rowand hasn't played enough, so how could Thomas have played enough to be considered? Inspite of that, to each their own I say! Edited August 30, 2004 by Queen Prawn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Honda Civic Posted August 30, 2004 Author Share Posted August 30, 2004 Rowand, no question. Why is Frank and Maggs on the list? Our Record without Frank speaks to his value to this team. Our OBP has gone from among the best in the league with him, to league worst w/o him in the line-up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox_Sonix Posted August 30, 2004 Share Posted August 30, 2004 For me it is a toss up between Rowand and Konerko. I gave Rowand my vote. I'd go with PK over ARow just cuz PK carried the team more when we were actually in it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CubsSuck1 Posted August 30, 2004 Share Posted August 30, 2004 When we were winning, Uribe was simply amazing. Of course he had Frank and Maggs to lean back on, but if we didn't have Juan, we might have been out of the race a lot earlier. Of course Rowand has has a great year as well, and he hasn't had Thomas and Ordonez in the lineup to help him win games, but the MVP should be about winning, and when we actually were winning, Uribe was the key catalyst. Very tough decision, but I suppose by process of emilination, it goes to Uribe. Of course his second half has been pretty bad, but I'm not sure exactly how much his play would have helped the team with so many injuries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
He_Gawn Posted August 30, 2004 Share Posted August 30, 2004 Arow, who knew? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bones Posted August 30, 2004 Share Posted August 30, 2004 For me, it's either Rowand or Konerko. I voted Rowand but I'd say it's pretty much a tie. A lot of people were questioning whether Paulie would ever recover from last year. He answered his doubters by leading the team in HRs and RBI while raising his AVG significantly from last year. However, Rowand got off to a slow start and people were calling for him to be gone, or at least out of the starting lineup. Since then he has more than made up for it and is batting .318 for the year. He also has put up decent power numbers and leads the team in slugging percentage. On top of that he has been solid defensively and leads the team in stolen bases. So, I think we have two awards to give out. Paulie is our comeback player of the year and Aaron is our breakthrough player of the year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxman352000 Posted August 30, 2004 Share Posted August 30, 2004 I would have to say shingo because he saved us some games that Billy Kock would have blown, but a row is in a tie with Shingo on my list Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danman31 Posted August 30, 2004 Share Posted August 30, 2004 When we were winning, Uribe was simply amazing. To say Uribe is MVP is a joke. By your reasoning he was the reason we started losing, thus making him important overall, but not valuable this season. He had 1 awesome month, one good month, the rest horrible until August. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CubsSuck1 Posted August 30, 2004 Share Posted August 30, 2004 To say Uribe is MVP is a joke. By your reasoning he was the reason we started losing, thus making him important overall, but not valuable this season. He had 1 awesome month, one good month, the rest horrible until August. Ah s*** dan, I had a couple of parapraphs typed up about Uribe/Rowand, but I tapped the wrong button and it got deleted. Like sucks sometimes :banghead Anyways, I will sum it up a little. Rowand had had every chance to help the team win in the earlier months, but he batted in the low .200s, while uribe was over .300 and got a ton of runs. The majority of Uribe's downfall came when Maggs and Frank were gone, the bulk of Rowand success came after injuries and too late. Sop after Thomas and Ordonez were gone, a surge by Rowand and a decline by Uribe are not going to affect the outcome of the season much so I hadw to look back to when we got most of our wins and who was the go to guy during that time. Anyways I had some good stats and such but I am stupid for accidentally deleting what I had written. :banghead Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeremyb Posted August 30, 2004 Share Posted August 30, 2004 For me bright spots: Rowand Konerko Shingo Lee Thomas Contreras Buerhle (before his recent 1-5 run) Freddy (before Detroit shelling that signified the end of season) Semi-bright spots: Uribe Willie (vs. righties) Davis Burke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danman31 Posted August 30, 2004 Share Posted August 30, 2004 Anyways, I will sum it up a little. Rowand had had every chance to help the team win in the earlier months, but he batted in the low .200s, while uribe was over .300 and got a ton of runs. I don't think Rowand was the team MVP either. Uribe has batted .268 there is no way he can be considered team MVP when guys like Konerko and Lee having been doing well all season long. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CubsSuck1 Posted August 30, 2004 Share Posted August 30, 2004 I don't think Rowand was the team MVP either. Uribe has batted .268 there is no way he can be considered team MVP when guys like Konerko and Lee having been doing well all season long. Thats true. I suppose I was just looking at it more as somebody who stepped up unexpectedly when it counted. Of course Lee/Konerk are gonna be solid, I just overlooked them because you expect that from them. If I was gonna look at the stats, I'm sure they would be better than Uribes, but Uribe did add an extra something that wasn't there in the early months. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danman31 Posted August 30, 2004 Share Posted August 30, 2004 I suppose I was just looking at it more as somebody who stepped up unexpectedly when it counted. See, that's your problem. That's not what an MVP is. That's most improved player or breakout player, whatever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilliamTell Posted August 30, 2004 Share Posted August 30, 2004 IMO Aaron Rowand has been the biggest surprise and all around best player on this team. I did like C Lee's hit streak though, but that seems like it was forever and a day ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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