CubsSuck1 Posted August 30, 2004 Share Posted August 30, 2004 Thomas and Ordonez are on thie list because you could argue their individual injuries have hurt the team the most, but if you are considering individual performance only, the others are on the list. Also consider who did NOT live up to expectations, which was why I did not include any of the 5th starters, even though you ould make a case for Wright. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBlackSox8 Posted August 30, 2004 Share Posted August 30, 2004 I voted ordonez becuase of his injury. but if u discount that vote because of the injury i would vote Garland... i expected him to have a breakout year( 14 or 15 wins with a 3.50 to 4.0 era) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxman352000 Posted August 30, 2004 Share Posted August 30, 2004 Billy Koch for sure. he cost us two games on that west coat road trip that could have given the team some confidence to go on and just become damn consistant. the only time the White Sox were consistant was the games before that first west coast road trip. Not getting the split in Oakland sucked considering we could have won both games Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dasox24 Posted August 30, 2004 Share Posted August 30, 2004 No Jackson? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Honda Civic Posted August 30, 2004 Share Posted August 30, 2004 I'll get flamed for this but -- Timo Perez is the Answer... can explain in detail now -- tonight I'll get it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CubsSuck1 Posted August 30, 2004 Author Share Posted August 30, 2004 No Jackson? I didn't include Jackson because the expectations on him wern't as high as others who didn't play well, which is also why I didn't include players like Borchard. Even though Joe shouldn't be batting under .200, he wasn't going to be key to the teams sucess, like Jackson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danman31 Posted August 30, 2004 Share Posted August 30, 2004 I didn't include Jackson because the expectations on him wern't as high as others who didn't play well, which is also why I didn't include players like Borchard. Even though Joe shouldn't be batting under .200, he wasn't going to be key to the teams sucess, like Jackson. That defeats the purpose. If a guy sucks a guy sucks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted August 30, 2004 Share Posted August 30, 2004 There is a lot of least valuable to go around. If we are saying reason for the season being over -- Maggs and/or Thomas take your pick. Guys we needed to come up big and failed? Shoe and/or Garland Botch was gone early enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSGuy406 Posted August 30, 2004 Share Posted August 30, 2004 This was a total team effort collopse, not one individual... Here's the things that I believe led to this teams overall suck-i-ness. -THomas and Ordonez injuries. Can't control injuries. Better depth would've been nice, but that's what happens when you don't have a lot of money to work with. -Jon Garland not sacking up down the stretch. He's been mediocre down the stretch, but lately he's sucked. -Lack of clutch pitching from our bullpen. Whether it be the dissappointment we've seen from Marte a lot of times, Politte choking, or the constand crappy pitching we saw from Jackson and Koch. I've been, for the most part, pleased with Cotts, Adkins, and Shingo. -Dissappointment from Crede at third. We were expecting Crede to step up and hit .270 or do (at least I was). He's been brutal this year. Thoughts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighHeat45 Posted August 30, 2004 Share Posted August 30, 2004 Im still undecided about garland or crede, im leaning toward Garland though because crede had a ton of clutch performances. Im not counting Frank, Maggs, Koch or Loaiza because i think it should be someone who has been on the team the entire time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palehosefan Posted August 30, 2004 Share Posted August 30, 2004 I'm gonna throw a changeup and say Willie Harris. Willie was the catalyst of our lineup and was hitting over .300 and playing solid defense. Then I went on vacation to Cali for 2 weeks. I came back and he was barely hitting .260. I couldn't believe my eyes. As New Found Glory's song goes, "Its all down hill from here". I just didn't know it at the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHarris1 Posted August 30, 2004 Share Posted August 30, 2004 Jackson by far. Almost everyone on the team becides him have had their moments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted August 30, 2004 Share Posted August 30, 2004 Order: IMO Thomas and Ordonez's injuries (we didnt have a chance after that) Koch Garland Jackson Crede Loaiza Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CubsSuck1 Posted August 30, 2004 Author Share Posted August 30, 2004 That defeats the purpose. If a guy sucks a guy sucks. Are you telling me that we couldn't have been successful at all this season with Jackson on the roster? Jackson was on team team April and May and we did pretty well then. Maybe I should have been more specific with the topic, but if you take 'least valuble' word for word, then my list would have included Borchard Munoz Grilli and Wright because they had less valure to the team than Mike Jackson. I was trying to get to who underperformed this season unexpectedly, which in turn cause the downfall of the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danman31 Posted August 30, 2004 Share Posted August 30, 2004 That's fair enough, but if you are going to take least valuable player from the guys that have been with the team most of the year it has to be Mike Jackson or Koch considering he was so bad we got rid of him. They had no value on this team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonkeyKongerko Posted August 30, 2004 Share Posted August 30, 2004 The unnamed 5th starter is another possibility for combined LVP. Also Damaso Marte is up there for most disappointing year because he has set such high standards. My vote went to Joe Crede because he had the 3rd base job coming into this season already he flat out could not cut the mustard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilliamTell Posted August 31, 2004 Share Posted August 31, 2004 Jose Valentin is the least for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danman31 Posted August 31, 2004 Share Posted August 31, 2004 Jose Valentin is the least for me. Yeah, but he has been awesome in the clutch. With RISP he has an awesome 1.023 OPS. That's far from least valuable, that's top ten in the AL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilliamTell Posted August 31, 2004 Share Posted August 31, 2004 Yeah, but he has been awesome in the clutch. With RISP he has an awesome 1.023 OPS. That's far from least valuable, that's top ten in the AL. yes that is true, but we haven't had a lot of clutch moments lately, I do remember him having one of the highest RISP ave. last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted August 31, 2004 Share Posted August 31, 2004 Billy Koch. To me, that's a lock. He cost us some big games early that could have set the momentum for a nice long run. The blown saves in Oakland allow the poor west coast bug to continue, even though the team played well enough to bury it. Now that is still something that remains to be dealt with as opposed to having buried it this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted August 31, 2004 Share Posted August 31, 2004 No doubt it's Koch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted August 31, 2004 Share Posted August 31, 2004 No doubt the Thomas and Ordonez injuries were the biggest. Other than that, it is the 5th starter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T R U Posted August 31, 2004 Share Posted August 31, 2004 Obviously its Aaron Rowand guys... come on... any fool could see that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NUKE_CLEVELAND Posted August 31, 2004 Share Posted August 31, 2004 boooooooooooooooootch That ass clown cost us 5-7 games on his own & a lot of momentum as well. We'd be right in the race if not for that asshole and his implosions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santo=dorf Posted August 31, 2004 Share Posted August 31, 2004 Jackson by far. Almost everyone on the team becides him have had their moments. I believe Jackson's ERA in April was 1.93. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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