The Critic Posted September 1, 2004 Share Posted September 1, 2004 Sign him to a one year deal. He only pitches well in odd numbered years. I noticed that the other day when I looked at his stats for laughs. He had a fantastic 2001. I think he might be too much of a headcase to ever be helped, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSGuy406 Posted September 1, 2004 Share Posted September 1, 2004 Call me an idiot if you want (well, maybe you better not, new rules and all) but I think we can get Kyle Farnsworth relatively cheap...with the right coaching, and his 95+ mph heat, he can be a dmaned good closer. If Kyle Farnsworth comes relatively cheap, I'll take him. Hell, Juan Cruz sucked with the Cubs, and now he's a solid middle reliever with the Braves (BTW - that was such a s***ty trade by Hendry, who for the most part, makes damn good trades). A lower prospect for Farnsy. He can be dominant when he's on - we just gotta find that 'on' switch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoomSlowik Posted September 1, 2004 Share Posted September 1, 2004 I really think getting a proven closer would be a great proactive move. There is the potential for some pretty good ones to be available, like Wagner and Hoffman(highly unlikely, but possible with a sizeable deal), or Guardado, plus the guys already mentioned. It's clear that they need another arm, so why not add a really good one instead of leaving Shingo closing and adding a lesser guy in the setup role? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxman352000 Posted September 1, 2004 Share Posted September 1, 2004 All i got to say is i love shingo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted September 1, 2004 Share Posted September 1, 2004 I don't think you need a strikeout pitcher as a closer if you bring him in to start an inning. You need a strikeout pitcher when you have guys on base and 0 or 1 out. I wouldn't have a problem with Shingo continuing as the closer, but only use him for 1 inning or less, and remember he is used to pitching about 40 to 50 innings a year. I brought up in another thread that Shingo to me is a prime candidate to implode next year. I would seriously consider trading him. His should have decent value, and he will be 36 years old. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redandwhite Posted September 1, 2004 Share Posted September 1, 2004 Thinking back to the A-rod fiasco before the season started, if you remember, Scott Williamson was the sticking point for Kenny Williams do make the trade, not Nomar Garciaparra. With that being said, he's someone that could definitly be looked at in the closer spot for the White Sox, although I don't see the Red Sox giving up on him, injury or not. Another option, and it's only if he doesn't get his act together this september/in the offseason, but BK Kim. Personally, I feel the best market, and something that needs to be taken advantage of are these overpaid players who can be had for virtually nothing ala Jose Contreras. We all know what BK Kim is capable of doing when healthy both as a starter and as a closer, and I think he's in a very similar situation that Contreras was in where he can't perform his best with all the pressure on him. I really want this kid to succeed, even with that finger situation and all, I just like him, and would love to see him on my second team where he can be the stud he was in Arizona. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchetman Posted September 1, 2004 Share Posted September 1, 2004 this just verifies cooper is an idiot. yeah, farnsworth would be better Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSF Posted September 1, 2004 Share Posted September 1, 2004 Call me an idiot if you want (well, maybe you better not, new rules and all) but I think we can get Kyle Farnsworth relatively cheap...with the right coaching, and his 95+ mph heat, he can be a dmaned good closer. Add me to that list. Farnsworth has closer material. Maybe a change of scenery is just what he needs. Exactly 8.1 miles south. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted September 2, 2004 Share Posted September 2, 2004 Billy Koch is available.. The only "swing and miss guys" Coop was saying that I can see as a FA is Benitez, but I don't know hoe much moent he's gonna get in the open market. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted September 2, 2004 Share Posted September 2, 2004 Thinking back to the A-rod fiasco before the season started, if you remember, Scott Williamson was the sticking point for Kenny Williams do make the trade, not Nomar Garciaparra. With that being said, he's someone that could definitly be looked at in the closer spot for the White Sox, although I don't see the Red Sox giving up on him, injury or not. Another option, and it's only if he doesn't get his act together this september/in the offseason, but BK Kim. Personally, I feel the best market, and something that needs to be taken advantage of are these overpaid players who can be had for virtually nothing ala Jose Contreras. We all know what BK Kim is capable of doing when healthy both as a starter and as a closer, and I think he's in a very similar situation that Contreras was in where he can't perform his best with all the pressure on him. I really want this kid to succeed, even with that finger situation and all, I just like him, and would love to see him on my second team where he can be the stud he was in Arizona. You keep trying to fawn off all of Boston's excess baggage on us. What's up with that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted September 2, 2004 Author Share Posted September 2, 2004 Billy Koch is available.. The only "swing and miss guys" Coop was saying that I can see as a FA is Benitez, but I don't know hoe much moent he's gonna get in the open market. Benitez worries the hell out of me as a closer, if he's smart he'll stay with the Fishies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babybearhater Posted September 2, 2004 Share Posted September 2, 2004 I hope everyone re-thinks their praise of Farnworth, I am always happy when he comes in games for the flubs, because I know he'll blow it. As for swing and miss guys, they are not always the best closers, look at Kolb's numbers in MIL. He barely ever strikes anyone out and his era and save percentage is great. Rivera is one of the best closers of all time, and his most dangerous pitch is not his strike out pitch, ask anyone is the bigs, its his cutter that shatters your bat and induces ground balls. A close is not always a strike out pitcher, or fireballer (koch!!!!) it takes a killer instinct to close out games, and farnsworth, Kim, Hawkins, mota, dont have it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchetman Posted September 2, 2004 Share Posted September 2, 2004 I mean there are hardly any closers who ever succeed without 95+ mph heat. I can only think of a few.... John Franco Dennis Eckersley Jeff Reardon Trevor Hoffman Rollie Fingers Jeff Montgomery Doug Jones Bruce Sutter Rod Beck Mariano Rivera Dave Righetti Dan Quisenberry Hoyt Wilhelm Gene Garber Gregg Olson Dave Smith Jeff Shaw Bobby Thigpen Mike Henneman Jeff Russell Steve Bedrosian Kent Tekulve Tug McGraw Jeff Brantley Roger McDowell Willie Hernandez Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilliamTell Posted September 2, 2004 Share Posted September 2, 2004 Unless the Sox can pick up someone better next season I want Shingo as the closer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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