LDF Posted September 3, 2004 Share Posted September 3, 2004 is he worth pursuing? i mean 1 yr of a winning record and the rest a loosing record. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchetman Posted September 3, 2004 Share Posted September 3, 2004 I can't believe how much interest that guy generates around here. He's decent, but jeez... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFanForever Posted September 3, 2004 Share Posted September 3, 2004 I guess you guys didn't think he was very good in the playoffs last year either huh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted September 3, 2004 Author Share Posted September 3, 2004 i am just looking into all aspects of any pitcher who can help. i like to look for more than one yr and then ask my silly questions to see where others are on this subject. any way, what is wrong to generate open discussion on any subject. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFanForever Posted September 3, 2004 Share Posted September 3, 2004 i am just looking into all aspects of any pitcher who can help. i like to look for more than one yr and then ask my silly questions to see where others are on this subject. any way, what is wrong to generate open discussion on any subject. I'm not trying to be mean or anything. Just asking your opinion of him from last Post-season. In my opinion he is going to be a good one. He has really put it together over the past year and a half or so. Most pitchers take a few years to come into their own and he had some issues in his past that he is overcoming and starting to show his talent. The guy is one of the better pitchers that will be in the FA market and I hope we pursue him hard and make a solid offer to try and acquire him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted September 3, 2004 Author Share Posted September 3, 2004 I'm not trying to be mean or anything. Just asking your opinion of him from last Post-season. In my opinion he is going to be a good one. He has really put it together over the past year and a half or so. Most pitchers take a few years to come into their own and he had some issues in his past that he is overcoming and starting to show his talent. The guy is one of the better pitchers that will be in the FA market and I hope we pursue him hard and make a solid offer to try and acquire him. just the kind of response i was looking for. thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFanForever Posted September 3, 2004 Share Posted September 3, 2004 just the kind of response i was looking for. thanks You're welcome. I do what I can. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winninguglyin83 Posted September 3, 2004 Share Posted September 3, 2004 We're already spending a good chunk of money on garcia, Buehrle, contreras and Garland. I can't see JR opening up his wallet for another pitcher. We'll try to find another bargain baseman Esteban/Schoeneweis. Somebody who'll settle for a deal with incentives and not many years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilliamTell Posted September 3, 2004 Share Posted September 3, 2004 I wouldn't risk it unless he was the one of the last guys out there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted September 3, 2004 Share Posted September 3, 2004 Knowing this organization this will be the rotation for next year.. Garcia Buehrle Contreras Garland Cotts There's your "barganing" chips Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted September 3, 2004 Share Posted September 3, 2004 Here's the thing I find VERY interesting. Carl Pavano is having an excellent year this year...and people tend to think he will continue this success for quite a few years, and while they may not be wrong...some of these people are the SAME people who are saying not to give Adrian Beltre the big bucks because he's in a contract year. Uh...hello? Carl Pavano should be as scary to anyone as Adrian Beltre...if signing Beltre scares you, Pavano should(and it works the other way too). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted September 3, 2004 Author Share Posted September 3, 2004 Here's the thing I find VERY interesting. Carl Pavano is having an excellent year this year...and people tend to think he will continue this success for quite a few years, and while they may not be wrong...some of these people are the SAME people who are saying not to give Adrian Beltre the big bucks because he's in a contract year. Uh...hello? Carl Pavano should be as scary to anyone as Adrian Beltre...if signing Beltre scares you, Pavano should(and it works the other way too). signing pavano is what scares me. i am not too sure i am sold on him. but he is young, so the potential may be there. i don't know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted September 3, 2004 Share Posted September 3, 2004 I don't wanna sign Pavano. I'm not a fan of Beltre eigher (You will never see him hit above .300 again but expect more power) Give me a younger Perez, or a Pedro (doubt it) etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxman352000 Posted September 3, 2004 Share Posted September 3, 2004 I would love to have Pavano. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSGuy406 Posted September 3, 2004 Share Posted September 3, 2004 I don't know where I heard this, but I've read and heard that the GM of Baltimore really likes (I think the story was that he drafted Pavano) Carl, and that he'll be a top of the list priority for the Orioles this offseason. I'd be content with grabbing Clement/Perez, and then loading up our bullpen... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winninguglyin83 Posted September 3, 2004 Share Posted September 3, 2004 orioles got burned by Ponson I wonder if they'll spend big on Pavano. and I know we won't -- and we shouldn't. We'll be shopping at half-price Mondays. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted September 3, 2004 Author Share Posted September 3, 2004 orioles got burned by Ponson I wonder if they'll spend big on Pavano. and I know we won't -- and we shouldn't. We'll be shopping at half-price Mondays. i remember a huge amount of posters here wanted ponson, and i didn't. but i wish someone on this board will give a good reason on why we should sign him(pavano). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilliamTell Posted September 3, 2004 Share Posted September 3, 2004 Yeah there's no way I see him coming here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3E8 Posted September 3, 2004 Share Posted September 3, 2004 He averages 7.1 innings per start. Where do we sign? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxfan420 Posted September 3, 2004 Share Posted September 3, 2004 I can't believe how much interest that guy generates around here. He's decent, but jeez... look who he had for an offense, those past years, his era has always been decent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanOfCorn Posted September 3, 2004 Share Posted September 3, 2004 Hey, what can it hurt? Loaiza and Scho were unproven and even Contreras was inconsistent...this guy at least has done it for a year (and the playoffs). Put him as a #4 and see what happens. But not for too much money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchetman Posted September 3, 2004 Share Posted September 3, 2004 I'm all for it. Sign him up. 5 years, $1 million per. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanOfCorn Posted September 3, 2004 Share Posted September 3, 2004 How 'bout 5 Years, $1 mil total... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted September 4, 2004 Share Posted September 4, 2004 Pavano is 28 years old and just now becoming the pitcher Montreal thought he'd become when the got him in the Pedro deal. So, several here want to sign this guy to a multimillion dollar multiyear contract. Yet, so many want to give up on Jon Garland. I don't get it, folks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beck72 Posted September 4, 2004 Share Posted September 4, 2004 Carl Pavano should be as scary to anyone as Adrian Beltre...if signing Beltre scares you, Pavano should(and it works the other way too). The Sox probably won't sign any big name FA's with a shaky history [injury or inconsistent production], pitchers or position players. Though they may take a gamble on a guy making less than $5 mill a yr, for no more than 2 yrs with an option yr. It doesn't make sense to take on huge contracts for questionable players who pose an injury risk or could tank. A few guys who could be worth a large multi-yr contract-Odalis Perez, Matt Clement, Edgar Renteria, Orlando Cabrera [$6 mill tops] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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