redandwhite Posted September 6, 2004 Share Posted September 6, 2004 If the White Sox trade Garland, they better get atleast a player of Soriano's caliber. As for PK, you got to keep him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackBetsy Posted September 6, 2004 Share Posted September 6, 2004 With Maggs, Jose and Koch's contracts all coming off the books that's about $20 million. Loaiza and Contreras swapping places it almost a wash financially, with Contreras earning bout an extra million or 2 over the next 2 to 3 years. We sign a SS who can get on base conisistently like Omar Vizquel to replace Jose, while we use the rest of the money to sign a front - line starter and closer. If we had to trade one of Lee or Konerko, I'd trade Carlos. Try and get a J.D Drew type of deal for him, and fill multiple holes in this lineup. And then we can sign a Frank Catalanotto to replace Lee in LF. With Maggs, Jose and Koch's contracts all coming off the books that's about $20 million. Ok, but there are some serious raises coming next year, too, and they took on some serious salary this season. By my calculation, the Sox already will have $62.8 million committed to 21 players next year. ($32.75MM just to Thomas, Lee, Konerko and Garcia - $49 MM if you add in Buehrle, Contreras, and Everett) So even though $20 million is coming "off the books", the Sox are starting the season only about $2 million lower than 2004, the way I figure it. And as much as people talking about the new Comcast network allowing the Sox to raise payroll by $20 million, I still haven't seen this reported publicly. If the Sox go to a $70 million payroll in the offseason, I'll be surprised. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSteve Posted September 6, 2004 Share Posted September 6, 2004 I am definitely in the minority here, but I would keep Valentin (not as a starter, as a platoon guy). We could (should) trade PK for a #2-#3 quality starter, (Or throw in a prospect or 2 and trade him for Randy Johnson!) AND sign one (Clement, Pavano, Perez, Radke?). Get a REAL 3B...Crede sucks, and he's had enough chances. (Beltre? Glaus?) Get a real Catcher..."Big Ben" is a backup, no more no less! (Metheny?) Release anyone on our team named "Alomar"! Give the "Wilson" kid a shot at SS...if he's as slick a fielder as everyone says, we can use him...bat him 9th. Sign Sexson. I would sign Mags to a $6-7 million cotract that is heavily incentive-laden, based on games played, ABs, and performance. He deserves a shot; he's earned it. Trade Garland for Soriano, if possible. Batting order...Rowand CF Soriano 2B Mags RF Thomas DH Beltre or Glaus 3B Lee LF Sexson 1B Metheny C Wilson SS Not too bad...an our pitching staff, 1-5 would be stellar as well. Johnson Buehrle Pavano Garcia Contreras I wanna be the GM!!! All I can say is that I am glad you're not the GM, cause you'd sure suck at it. Texas wouldn't do Garland for Soriano unless we threw a Anderson/Sweeney/BMac prospect in. Even then they'd have no reason to deal him. He isn't even very expensive. The D'Backs wouldn't trade RJ for Konerko and a prospect or two. Same kind of problem with getting Soriano, it would take way too much...and we all know how everyone b****es if we trade a prospect or two away. Magglio for $6 million, think about that for a second, he will ask for so much more, and someone will be dumb enough to give it to him. He will not be back next season. Sign Sexson, eh? No thanks. Right-handed, power-hitting, strikes out alot...I think I'll pass. Pavano and Matheny...again, no thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSteve Posted September 6, 2004 Share Posted September 6, 2004 Agreed, even though I doubt we get Drew. I wouldn't mind Jacque Jones coming here. Solid glove, decent average, shows the speed and doesn't have to face his good friend Buehrle anymore.. The Cat is a no brainer, Koskie and Omar I would love to see. We'll have about 2 or 3 guys that can hit in the #2 (Rowand, Catalanotto, Visquel) so I'm sure we can put Rowand in mostly versus lefties than righties. Get that lefty-righty balence as well. Hell, I'll throw a line-up out here even though I'm sure it might not be the right line-up.. Visquel-SS Rowand-CF Thomas-DH Jones-LF Catalanotto-RF Konerko-1B Koskie-3B Harris-2B Davis/Burke-C I put Kong lower to seperate te lefties in the bottom part of that line-up, but that's if the sox want to go in another direction which I'm sure they'll trade Kong and Lee for pitching and some slap/contact hitters. If Frank Catalanatto is out fifh hitter and Jones as our clean-up hitter, we will finish fourth in the AL Central. :puke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted September 6, 2004 Share Posted September 6, 2004 If the White Sox trade Garland, they better get atleast a player of Soriano's caliber. As for PK, you got to keep him. Garland is not with almost any three hitter in baseball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
israel4ever Posted September 6, 2004 Share Posted September 6, 2004 All I can say is that I am glad you're not the GM, cause you'd sure suck at it. Texas wouldn't do Garland for Soriano unless we threw a Anderson/Sweeney/BMac prospect in. Even then they'd have no reason to deal him. He isn't even very expensive. The D'Backs wouldn't trade RJ for Konerko and a prospect or two. Same kind of problem with getting Soriano, it would take way too much...and we all know how everyone b****es if we trade a prospect or two away. Magglio for $6 million, think about that for a second, he will ask for so much more, and someone will be dumb enough to give it to him. He will not be back next season. Sign Sexson, eh? No thanks. Right-handed, power-hitting, strikes out alot...I think I'll pass. Pavano and Matheny...again, no thanks. Yeah, we don't need Pavano...he's ONLY 15-5. Why take him when we can have Diaz, Garland, Schoney etc.,? :headshake Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Honda Civic Posted September 6, 2004 Share Posted September 6, 2004 Yeah, we don't need Pavano...he's ONLY 15-5. Why take hime when we can have Diaz, Garland, etc.,? :headshake Loiaza was 21-9 last season, let's get him.... W/L records are for baseball illiterate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHarris1 Posted September 6, 2004 Share Posted September 6, 2004 W/L is so incredibly pointless. It all depends on the offense and the bullpen not losing it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
israel4ever Posted September 6, 2004 Share Posted September 6, 2004 I fail to see why anyone would want to get rid of Konerko. Sure, he strikes out a lot, but less frequently than some (including Rowand, Harris, Davis, Borchard). Every team is going to have some weaknesses in that area, somewhere in their lineup. Compared to what he brings -- in obp, slg, avg, hrs -- that one weakness isn't worth that much. And hey, as for speed, not many players on the Sox have as good a steals/attempts ratio! Case closed! A number of posters have said that they'd rather trade Carlos. Again, why? His obp is good, and his k rate isn't bad, either. This season has been frustrating, but that doesn't mean that the team will improve by attrition. And why would we want Glaus at all? This guy is almost Jose Hernandez-esque w/ the strike outs. Koskie isn't much better, Beltre may be a bit better, but not much, and he'll be very pricey. Isn't Bill Mueller the type we're looking for, low-k + good obp? Not sure if the Red Sox are picking up the option or not. They have Youkilis, Bellhorn, and they may resign Reese/Cabrera, so he may be available. It seems like posters are looking for a ss who hits like a ss is supposed to, a 3b who hits like a 3b is supposed to, etc. Let's just get the pieces for the lineup, whatever position they play. But let's start with our worst-producing positions, not 1b and lf. EDIT: When I said "isn't much better", I meant isn't much better than what we have (Crede), in terms of strike outs. They're both much better than Glaus, of course. Sorry for the confusion. The reason they have to trade Konerko IMO...is that you can get good player(s) in return. Ya gotta give to get! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
israel4ever Posted September 6, 2004 Share Posted September 6, 2004 Loiaza was 21-9 last season, let's get him.... W/L records are for baseball illiterate. Help me out...maybe I am "baseball illiterate". Is Carl Pavano better than ANY of our current starters? Just wonderin'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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