soxfan420 Posted September 6, 2004 Share Posted September 6, 2004 Wow...resorting to personal insults. Denial is a b****? Because I'd rather have my nation give actual reasons for war that causes 900+ Americans to die along with 13,000-37,000+ Iraqi civilians (body counts vary since there are no official counts), believe that my government is in the pocket of corporate interests rather than being held accountable to the American public, Americans losing jobs to corporate outsourcing that pay 3rd world wages and violate labor laws etc. etc. This nation is great but the growing descent into the revokation of Posse Comitatus, the loss of liberty in the name of "security" (the government is using the PATRIOT Act against random criminals and not "terrorists" so it's becoming a slippery slope for the abuse of our liberties) is disheartening. It's especially disheartening when people spew this sort of slime like 420 did. i thought they gave plenty of reasons why to go into iraq(im sorry they where not good enough for you). corpreate america is what we are yes, but guess what the world evoulves around money and like it or not thats how it works. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Kickass Posted September 7, 2004 Share Posted September 7, 2004 Good buy apu good luck getting stabbed with hiv needles by people robbing you, they have no protection for there citizens. ohhh and the crack heads too, and the people shooting up in the streets, and running around like chickens with there heads cut off Have you actually ever been to Amsterdam? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxfan420 Posted September 7, 2004 Share Posted September 7, 2004 Have you actually ever been to Amsterdam? yes i have, when my sister lived in england, i went there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KipWellsFan Posted September 7, 2004 Share Posted September 7, 2004 yes i have, when my sister lived in england, i went there. So how is the place so bloody filthy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxfan420 Posted September 7, 2004 Share Posted September 7, 2004 So how is the place so bloody filthy? with diesease and people all f***ed up, high robery rate etc. have you ever been there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KipWellsFan Posted September 7, 2004 Share Posted September 7, 2004 with diesease and people all f***ed up, high robery rate etc. have you ever been there. Yah I'm sold. I already answered that question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Kickass Posted September 7, 2004 Share Posted September 7, 2004 I was there last year. I've never seen that anywhere in Europe. Needle robberies sound like the old wives tale from the 80s about gang members murdering people who try to signal to them that their headlights were off. Amsterdam aint the safest place in the world, but it's no more dangerous than the average Chicago neighborhood. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted September 7, 2004 Share Posted September 7, 2004 Since it is the 'in' thing to be with Kerry, why would people say they are for Bush to pollsters? Wouldn't they be 'embarrased' to say they were for Bush? No it is more "in" to be a conservative. You have all those nice radio shows to listen to, all the best sellers on the NY Times list, Fox News. It is much more trendy to be a conservative today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sox4lifeinPA Posted September 7, 2004 Share Posted September 7, 2004 No it is more "in" to be a conservative. You have all those nice radio shows to listen to, all the best sellers on the NY Times list, Fox News. It is much more trendy to be a conservative today. what? it's not trendy...it's being right. and conservative christians are being handedly worked down on most peoples "cool" lists. can't wait to be a minority some day Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted September 7, 2004 Share Posted September 7, 2004 what? it's not trendy...it's being right. and conservative christians are being handedly worked down on most peoples "cool" lists. can't wait to be a minority some day Notice the GOP didn't have any of the religious leaders on prime time? As all successful campaigns of the past 20 years have done, dive to the center. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NUKE_CLEVELAND Posted September 7, 2004 Share Posted September 7, 2004 Notice the GOP didn't have any of the religious leaders on prime time? As all successful campaigns of the past 20 years have done, dive to the center. What do you think the Democrats have done? You think they are going to get elected with gay marriage, more entitlement programs and defense cuts as their platform? Kerry himself claimed he was "a champion of conservative values" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted September 7, 2004 Share Posted September 7, 2004 What do you think the Democrats have done? You think they are going to get elected with gay marriage, more entitlement programs and defense cuts as their platform? Kerry himself claimed he was "a champion of conservative values" They all do it. Clinton did it best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Kickass Posted September 7, 2004 Share Posted September 7, 2004 What do you think the Democrats have done? You think they are going to get elected with gay marriage, more entitlement programs and defense cuts as their platform? Kerry himself claimed he was "a champion of conservative values" I'm sorry, where was gay marriage on the Democrats' agenda? I missed that between a responsible foreign policy and creating jobs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighHeat45 Posted September 7, 2004 Share Posted September 7, 2004 If you go to projected final voting Kerry has a huge lead :puke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NUKE_CLEVELAND Posted September 7, 2004 Share Posted September 7, 2004 I'm sorry, where was gay marriage on the Democrats' agenda? I missed that between a responsible foreign policy and creating jobs. I hardly call seeking permission from Paris to defend ourselves responsible foregin policy & exactly how is Kerry going to create all these jobs? By reinstating higher tax rates on the people that employ everyone else? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrimsonWeltall Posted September 7, 2004 Share Posted September 7, 2004 I hardly call seeking permission from Paris to defend ourselves responsible foregin policy Proper foreign and domestic policy is gained by consulting dead carpenters and the writings of bronze age goat herders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Kickass Posted September 7, 2004 Share Posted September 7, 2004 I'm sorry, where have you seen "consulting Paris" in the democratic platform again? I'm just curious. I don't see that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted September 7, 2004 Share Posted September 7, 2004 I hardly call seeking permission from Paris to defend ourselves responsible foregin policy & exactly how is Kerry going to create all these jobs? By reinstating higher tax rates on the people that employ everyone else? I love the image of the US against the world. Who needs any allies? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confederate_48 Posted September 7, 2004 Share Posted September 7, 2004 If you go to projected final voting Kerry has a huge lead :puke According to the person who created the map ... This map is based on the projections from the linear regression lines on the state polls. The data are very noisy, so this map should not be taken too seriously until October. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NUKE_CLEVELAND Posted September 7, 2004 Share Posted September 7, 2004 I love the image of the US against the world. Who needs any allies? With friends like France who the hell needs enemies? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Kickass Posted September 7, 2004 Share Posted September 7, 2004 Yeah they're only fighting side by side in Afghanistan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LowerCaseRepublican Posted September 7, 2004 Share Posted September 7, 2004 i thought they gave plenty of reasons why to go into iraq(im sorry they where not good enough for you). corpreate america is what we are yes, but guess what the world evoulves around money and like it or not thats how it works. Would the reasons for the invasion be the WMD that have yet to be found yet we were told we knew where they were at (Donald Rumsfeld: "We know where they are at. They're in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south and north somewhat".) or the Powell speech that was plagiarized from 1991 grad school work or the testimony of Hussein Kamal, the weapons program director for Iraq (which oddly said that they ended all programs by 1993-1995 in compliance with UN regulations...but of course that never came out) or would it be the discredited Africa/nukes or Bush's citation of a non-existant UN Atomic Energy Agency report saying Iraq was getting nuclear capabilities or the non-existant connection between Iraq and Al Qaeda (there was a relationship in the early 1990s but juxtaposing that years later is laughable...the same argument could be made for our interaction with bin Laden in the 1980s when he was with the Moujhadeen terrorist organization fighting the Russians) or the absolute zero evidence to show that AQ aided Iraq in bomb making/bio weapons manufacturing (the area Powell said they were using in Northern Iraq was outside Iraq's control and under the control of the US/UK bombing campaigns) or the chemical agents that even the US believes, even IF they did have them, are well past their useful date and useless as weapon fodder or how about the weather ballon labs sold to Iraq by the British government that the US/UK claimed were biological weapons labs (that claim re: the weapons labs was debunked pre-war)? Here's a link to a site with plenty of news articles for evidence of claims I made:. http://www.dougbasham.com/iraqwarlies.html or you can just google Iraq war lies. I value the military much too much to have them go fight a purely elective war, when the evidence is so damn flimsy that it falls apart so easily. I value what they are asked to do and would rather not abuse that by sending them into a very poor foreign policy decision. (This goes back to the Clinton war crimes of indiscriminate bombings in Kosovo/Yugoslavia. I'm of the mind that Clinton and Albright should be brought before a War Crimes Tribunal as well for crimes against humanity :;see Nuremburg Tribunal precedent for the legalese: As for corporate America, we run on money but we do not have to accept corporations being allowed off-shore tax havens, increasing the tax load on Americans while these same corporations get benefits and corporate welfare from our government (taxpayer subsidized) nor do we have to accept corporations abusing work forces in 3rd world countries using sweatshops like Gap, Old Navy, Nike and a host of other companies that use cheap labor to make their products to increase their profits. Companies need to maximize profits but at the same time be socially responsible. Blind allegiance to globalization is insane. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
israel4ever Posted September 7, 2004 Share Posted September 7, 2004 It's all about $$$! Bush trying to make his rich pals even richer! IF it was about WMDs, we'd have either: a) waited until we found WMDs before invading, or B) invaded Iran, where we know where the nukes are. Iraq has more oil than Iran, so.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted September 7, 2004 Share Posted September 7, 2004 Ahhh.. a nice refreshing political debate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 7, 2004 Share Posted September 7, 2004 It's all about $$$! Bush trying to make his rich pals even richer! IF it was about WMDs, we'd have either: a) waited until we found WMDs before invading, or B) invaded Iran, where we know where the nukes are. Iraq has more oil than Iran, so.... And Afganistan has more oil than.... oops. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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