southsider2k5 Posted September 7, 2004 Share Posted September 7, 2004 http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/gammons/story?id=1875672 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aboz56 Posted September 7, 2004 Share Posted September 7, 2004 Right-hand starting pitchers: Pedro Martinez, Carl Pavano, Kevin Millwood, Jaret Wright, Russ Ortiz, Derek Lowe, Esteban Loaiza, Aaron Sele, Brad Radke, Matt Morris, Paul Wilson, Roger Clemens, Hideo Nomo, Matt Clement, Kris Benson, Jon Lieber (option). Left-hand starting pitchers: Eric Milton, David Wells, Odalis Perez, Al Leiter (club option), Shawn Estes. Relievers: Trevor Hoffman, Troy Percival, Armando Benitez, Ugueth Urbina. Catchers: Jason Varitek, Damian Miller, Mike Matheny, Henry Blanco. First base: Carlos Delgado, Richie Sexson, J.T. Snow, Tino Martinez, Brad Fullmer, Rafael Palmeiro (option). Second base: Placido Polanco, Jeff Kent, Todd Walker, Pokey Reese, Mark Grudzielanek. Third base: Troy Glaus, Mike Lowell (option), Corey Koskie, Adrian Belte, Joe Randa, Vinny Castilla. Shortstop: Edgar Renteria, Nomar Garciaparra, Orlando Cabrera, Pokey Reese, Omar Vizquel, Alex Gonzalez, Cristian Guzman, Jose Valentin, Craig Counsell. Outfielders: Carlos Beltran, J.D. Drew, Magglio Ordonez, Richard Hidalgo, Moises Alou, Jermaine Dye, Danny Bautista, Frank Catalanotto, Jeromy Burnitz, Carl Everett (option). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3E8 Posted September 7, 2004 Share Posted September 7, 2004 Jaret Wright is a free-agent? KW should give him serious consideration. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted September 7, 2004 Share Posted September 7, 2004 KW has wanted Russ Ortiz for a few years. I'm willing to bet he goes after him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 7, 2004 Author Share Posted September 7, 2004 Jaret Wright is a free-agent? KW should give him serious consideration. No thank you. The guy has had one year in the last 4 or 5 years. He has Braves fluke written all over him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3E8 Posted September 7, 2004 Share Posted September 7, 2004 No thank you. The guy has had one year in the last 4 or 5 years. He has Braves fluke written all over him. Same goes for Pavano, but I bet you'd be ready and willing to sign him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted September 7, 2004 Share Posted September 7, 2004 KW has wanted Russ Ortiz for a few years. I'm willing to bet he goes after him. Russ Ortiz = too many walks. He looks like what Garland will become. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxrd5 Posted September 7, 2004 Share Posted September 7, 2004 No thank you. The guy has had one year in the last 4 or 5 years. He has Braves fluke written all over him. Totally Agree...Jaret Wright would be best served to stay with the Braves or he most likely watch his career talespin back downward...Leo Mazzone is a magician with mediocre pitchers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted September 7, 2004 Share Posted September 7, 2004 Radke should be #1 on the F/A list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santo=dorf Posted September 7, 2004 Share Posted September 7, 2004 Russ Ortiz = too many walks. He looks like what Garland will become. Have you seen his numbers since the trade talk between the Braves and Sox? Russ Ortiz=Shiznit. I'd take him as our #3 in a heartbeat. But I do agree it would be very annoying to hear Hawk say "Come on Russ, no walks" about 12 times a game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
israel4ever Posted September 7, 2004 Share Posted September 7, 2004 I'll take one from each position, except for 2B! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 7, 2004 Author Share Posted September 7, 2004 Same goes for Pavano, but I bet you'd be ready and willing to sign him. I have no interest in signing Pavano to a big money FA deal. He has had some OK years, and this is by far his biggest year, which scares me. But for perspective here is Jaret Wright. 2004 is the first year since 1999 he has been over 100 IP. His era's going back starting with 2003 are 7.35, 15.71, 6.52, 4.70, and 6.06. This was the first year he has won more than 3 games since 1999. And finally his BB/9 was over 5 every year since 1999. One good year in one of the best pitchers parks in baseball doesn't erase all of that for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted September 7, 2004 Share Posted September 7, 2004 Have you seen his numbers since the trade talk between the Braves and Sox? Russ Ortiz=Shiznit. I'd take him as our #3 in a heartbeat. But I do agree it would be very annoying to hear Hawk say "Come on Russ, no walks" about 12 times a game. If he comes to the american league he will get punded with all of his walks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanOfCorn Posted September 7, 2004 Share Posted September 7, 2004 What about Derek Lowe? Ever since the trade of Nomah, his numbers have been pretty good. I think he's something like 4-1 with a 3.50 to 4 ERA. And he finally stopped walking everyone. He's had some good years and is heating it up again at the end of this year. Plus, I think we could get him cheaper than we would have last year, if he had been a free agent. He might be a good number 3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted September 7, 2004 Share Posted September 7, 2004 What about Derek Lowe? Ever since the trade of Nomah, his numbers have been pretty good. I think he's something like 4-1 with a 3.50 to 4 ERA. And he finally stopped walking everyone. He's had some good years and is heating it up again at the end of this year. Plus, I think we could get him cheaper than we would have last year, if he had been a free agent. He might be a good number 3. He is a nice fit for the cell being a ground ball type pitcher. I think he will be one of the sleepers in free agency. But i would not rely on him as are third starter fourth at best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gsoxs1 Posted September 7, 2004 Share Posted September 7, 2004 I would like Matt morris. He hasn't had his best stuff this year but I still think he is a great fit here. Imagine Garcia, Buhrle, Morris, Contraes, Garland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackBetsy Posted September 7, 2004 Share Posted September 7, 2004 He is a nice fit for the cell being a ground ball type pitcher. I think he will be one of the sleepers in free agency. But i would not rely on him as are third starter fourth at best. I agree. If we signed Lowe for a good price ($4-$5 million), he fits in nicely on the staff as a #3 guy. Essentially, next season the Sox would have 1 #2 guy (Garcia), 3 #3 guys (Buehrle, Lowe, Contreras) and 1 #4 guy (Garland), which puts them way ahead of most other teams in the league. However, I wouldn't spend more than $5 million on Lowe. And that might not be possible. I still think Radke should be our #1 target. And if we can't get him, we should run up the price for the Twins so they can't re-sign Koskie or have to trade off someone early. We shouldn't be out to beat the Twins. We should be out to destroy the Twins. Destroy them in such a way that they'll plead for contraction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilliamTell Posted September 7, 2004 Share Posted September 7, 2004 Yeah I wouldn't mind KW going after Ortiz at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted September 7, 2004 Share Posted September 7, 2004 Jaret Wright is kind of interesting...he is having a very good year, but I heard or read somewhere that when he was tooling around in the minor leagues for a couple years that he picked up a splitter, and that has been a big reason why he has had this success. I may be wrong in this...due to my age...but IIRC, wasn't it the splitter that Clemens learned that turned his career around? I may be wrong, and he may have had the splitter the whole time...but I thought I had heard that somewhere. Anyways, I don't think he will make it out to FA...I do think the Braves will resign him...but if he did, and we could get him for $4-5 mill, I do think it would be a good signing Anyways, screw this Morris and Radke and Lowe talk. I say we sign two of them, 1 of them being Pedro, and we go for the whole f***ing thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
He_Gawn Posted September 7, 2004 Share Posted September 7, 2004 Sign me up for Lowe, but i wannt PEDRO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WSFAN35 Posted September 7, 2004 Share Posted September 7, 2004 I still think Radke should be our #1 target. And if we can't get him, we should run up the price for the Twins so they can't re-sign Koskie or have to trade off someone early. We shouldn't be out to beat the Twins. We should be out to destroy the Twins. Destroy them in such a way that they'll plead for contraction. You can put that on the board. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted September 7, 2004 Share Posted September 7, 2004 Sign me up for Lowe, but i wannt PEDRO. I like lowe for one because he is much more realistic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JimH Posted September 7, 2004 Share Posted September 7, 2004 Guys, Derek Lowe's agent is Scott Boras, so we can forget about it. Also, D. Lowe is a Michigan boy and the talk already is the Tigers will go after him and get him. Let's look at it realistically, from what we know. KW has had a stiffie for Russ Ortiz for as long as we can remember. Seems to me he's target #1. I agree about going after some Twins guys, although they seem to keep plugging holes very effectively. They want to re-sign Radke, and it would be great if the Sox could steal Radke. Also, a guy like Radke gives the Sox a real mix and match rotation, making it difficult for opposing hitters to get their timing in a 4 game series. You have Garcia and Contreras who are more power guys, Buehrle and another guy who pounds the strike zone and changes speeds, and Garland. I still think they'll go after Ortiz first, and I suspect Catalanatto is on their wish list too ... perhaps along with a 3B. Oh, and shortstop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted September 7, 2004 Share Posted September 7, 2004 Let's look at it realistically, from what we know. KW has had a stiffie for Russ Ortiz for as long as we can remember. Seems to me he's target #1. Like i said he will get pounded in the al with all of his walks. I would pass on him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santo=dorf Posted September 7, 2004 Share Posted September 7, 2004 Let's look at it realistically, from what we know. KW has had a stiffie for Russ Ortiz for as long as we can remember. Seems to me he's target #1. I agree about going after some Twins guys, although they seem to keep plugging holes very effectively. I still think they'll go after Ortiz first, and I suspect Catalanatto is on their wish list too ... perhaps along with a 3B. Oh, and shortstop. What about Odalis Perez? KW was talking to the Dodgers about trading PK for him back before the season started. I hope KW still has an eye on him for next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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