SoxAce Posted September 9, 2004 Share Posted September 9, 2004 Here's mine. Starting Rotation: Garcia Buehrle Contreras Perez (FA) Garland Bullpen: Adkins/Baj Cotts Kline (FA) Marte Nelson (sorry just love watching him pitch. He's nasty) *or the player picked up in 3 way* Shingo Lineup: Pierre CF (Trade 3 way) Rowand RF Thomas DH Snow 1B (FA) The Cat LF (FA) Vizquel SS (FA) *switch hitter* Koskie 3B (FA) Davis C *switch hitter* Harris 2B Bench: Uribe/Valdez Burke Timo Gload Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted September 9, 2004 Share Posted September 9, 2004 What I'd do is shop Garland and Crede and see what I can get. If I can get a good reliever, I'd trade one of them. If I can get a good bat, I'd do that(depending on what position they play, of course...I'm not going to add another full-time 1B type). For s***s and giggles, let's say that Montreal has interest in both Crede and Garland...what I'd then do is see if they'd give us Luis Ayala and Brad Wilkerson for those two...if not, you add another piece or two. If it costs too much, you ditch the idea entirely. Just for the hell of it, and so this doesn't become disappointing, they accept, with us having to add to add a prospect, which we do. I'd then look to see what I can get for Konerko...with is being the last year of his contract, a few teams have interest, and with him having the season that he has had this year, it draws even more interest. Seattle comes knocking at our door, and we ask for Joel Piniero...if they turn that down(which I expect they would), we just ask for a package of prospects. They accept We also trade Everett for a bag of balls, and we sign Jose Cruz Jr for $1 mill with an option for 06 for about $2.5 mill. Come FA, we have glaring holes at 3B, SS, 2 in the rotation, and 1 in the pen(we let go of Politte, and our pen is Cotts, Adkins, Marte, Shingo, and Ayala...to fill that hole, we can either sign a true closer, like Benetiz or Urbina, or we can just have a guy like Bajenaru come up and pitch for us too...either works). To fill our hole at 3B, we sign Koskie, who I do believe the Twins will let go due to his injury proneness and lack of consistency along with the emergence of Terry Tiffee, to a 2-year deal for $10 mill, with a $7 mill option for a 3rd year(or a $1 mill buyout). We then sign Vizquel to a 1-year, $4 mill deal with an option for 2006 at $6.5 mill. To fill in the rotation, I would prefer we sign a very good, ace type pitcher, like Pedro...but I could also see us end up signing Russ Ortiz or Brad Radke too. I then say it is Diaz's job to lose in ST for the #5 spot in the rotation, and unless he pitches very poorly, he will have it. So, the lineup looks like this... Rowand - CF Vizquel - SS Wilkerson - 1B Thomas - DH Lee - LF Koskie - 3B Davis - C Cruz/Borch/Escobar - RF Harris - 2B This lineup could be altered, obviously, and Willie would not always have to bat 9th like that...if he remembers how to steal bases, he is more valuable at the top of the lineup then the bottom. Bench... Burke - C Gload - 1B/OF Escobar/Cruz - OF Uribe - MI and 3B (insert power guy here) Rotation... Garcia Buehrle Pedro/Radke/Perez/Ortiz/whoever Contreras Diaz Bullpen Baj Adkins Cotts Marte Shingo Ayala The payroll is roughly $70-80 mill(depending on the starter we sign and how much). I cannot say the numbers for sure, but those are pretty accurate. And considering all that has happened this year(with the attendance atleast being very close to what we had last year with the increased ticket prices, the new TV deal coming in, and JR perhaps willing to dish out more money wanting a World Series before he dies, the $80 mill could happen, but I would look at $70 mill for sure...anything less, IMO, is lowballing it, which could happen, by the way) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
He_Gawn Posted September 9, 2004 Author Share Posted September 9, 2004 Damn I forgot all about Escobar. Anyways, some of you guys are very negative. If you dont like, express why and what to change. Israel4ever, everything you say is negative and to me, I think you hate any team anyone puts together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted September 9, 2004 Share Posted September 9, 2004 why would you want any thing to do with Cruz Jr? hes a carrer .243 hitter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshPR Posted September 9, 2004 Share Posted September 9, 2004 Escobar is not nothing more than a bench player. A bunch of talent that was wasted Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted September 9, 2004 Share Posted September 9, 2004 why would you want any thing to do with Cruz Jr? hes a carrer .243 hitter Several reasons. His average is not the biggest deal, considering that he brings good power, decent OBP, some speed, and good defense to RF. We sign him and he could end up hitting .250 25 70 25 .800 with us with good defense in RF...there are worse options out there, and he does not cost a lot of money. He is a low-risk, high-reward type of guy. Maybe we get lucky and he bounces back to his 2000-2001 form, hitting .250-.260 with 30 homers, 85 RBI, 30 steals, and an OPS of .850. Or maybe he does what he's done in Tampa this year...either way, he's a solid player and I've always liked him. And, FWIW...he's a career .249 hitter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted September 9, 2004 Share Posted September 9, 2004 He is a low-risk, high-reward type of guy. Maybe we get lucky and he bounces back to his 2000-2001 form, hitting .250-.260 with 30 homers, 85 RBI, 30 steals, and an OPS of .850. Or maybe he does what he's done in Tampa this year...either way, he's a solid player and I've always liked him. Cruz is a solid player, but he shouldn't be playing full time at all IMO. Here's his numbers from 01-03 in certain categories and I don't like his situational hitting whatsoever. (even though he's doing good in a couple of things Jose Cruz Jr.'s Stats (01-03) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngelasDaddy0427 Posted September 9, 2004 Share Posted September 9, 2004 Escobar is not nothing more than a bench player. A bunch of talent that was wasted How many times have we heard this about AROW. He'll never be any better then a forth outfielder. The kid is cheap, he has real talent (unlike Joe Borchard), and why not give the kid a shot. It's not like we have anything to lose. I think that over a full year he could easily hit .270 plus and hit at least 25+ Hr's. Thats more then good enough for me. In 2003 with 99 at bats he hit .273 with 5 HR's. I think that giving the right coaching we could really have something on our hands. Plus he's only 26 years old. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFanForever Posted September 9, 2004 Share Posted September 9, 2004 Here's mine. Starting Rotation: Garcia Buehrle Contreras Perez (FA) Garland Bullpen: Adkins/Baj Cotts Kline (FA) Marte Nelson (sorry just love watching him pitch. He's nasty) *or the player picked up in 3 way* Shingo Lineup: Pierre CF (Trade 3 way) Rowand RF Thomas DH Snow 1B (FA) The Cat LF (FA) Vizquel SS (FA) *switch hitter* Koskie 3B (FA) Davis C *switch hitter* Harris 2B Bench: Uribe/Valdez Burke Timo Gload If we have J.T. Snow batting clean-up next year I won't watch this team. :puke on Snow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted September 9, 2004 Share Posted September 9, 2004 Cruz is a solid player, but he shouldn't be playing full time at all IMO. Here's his numbers from 01-03 in certain categories and I don't like his situational hitting whatsoever. (even though he's doing good in a couple of things Jose Cruz Jr.'s Stats (01-03) Some of that stuff is very intersting. Also...there is no one saying that he'd be the fulltime RFer...OK, maybe I did, but he probably wouldn't end up being that. We have some OFers in the minors, and if Anderson just tears up AA and AAA next year, I don't see why it would be out of the realm of possibility to bring him up and see what he's made of...it's quite obvious that Ozzie has a mancrush(ha, I just used heads word...he's probably gonna sue me now) on Anderson. There are other guys out there we could sign too...not sure who exactly, but there are others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted September 9, 2004 Share Posted September 9, 2004 How many times have we heard this about AROW. He'll never be any better then a forth outfielder. The kid is cheap, he has real talent (unlike Joe Borchard), and why not give the kid a shot. It's not like we have anything to lose. I think that over a full year he could easily hit .270 plus and hit at least 25+ Hr's. Thats more then good enough for me. In 2003 with 99 at bats he hit .273 with 5 HR's. I think that giving the right coaching we could really have something on our hands. Plus he's only 26 years old. FWIW...Rowand has never had a lot of talent. He is a guy that has worked his ass off and is reaping the benefits. He is a grinder. With the talent he has, he really should be a 4th OFer...we're lucky he's a blue collar kind of guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngelasDaddy0427 Posted September 9, 2004 Share Posted September 9, 2004 FWIW...Rowand has never had a lot of talent. He is a guy that has worked his ass off and is reaping the benefits. He is a grinder. With the talent he has, he really should be a 4th OFer...we're lucky he's a blue collar kind of guy. I'm sorry but I can't agree with that either. AROW does work his ass off but it doesn't mean he doesn't have talent. He might never hit 50 HR's but he is sure as hell better talent wise then a 4th Outfielder. I think Escobar could be exactly what we need if he applies himself and gets the right coaching. Rowand was there the last few years and kept being screwed over by management (although that dirtbike accident didn't help any). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted September 9, 2004 Share Posted September 9, 2004 If we have J.T. Snow batting clean-up next year I won't watch this team. :puke on Snow. Snow (2004) AB-300 R-54 H-99 2B-26 3B-1 HR-9 RBI-43 BB-48 SO-52 SB-4 CS-0 BA-.330 OBP-.428 What's not to like about him? Check out his numbers in the 4 spot from 01-03. Nice. Batting #4 AB-28 R-3 H-10 2B-2 3B-1 HR-0 RBI-5 BB-3 SO-3 AVG-.357 OBP-.419 In 2004.. Batting #4 AB-6 R-1 H-3 2B-0 3B-0 HR-0 RBI-1 BB-2 SO-2 AVG-.500 SLG-.625 Granted yes, he was injured and all, but he's a solid contact hitter, tough to K, draws the walk, hardly grounds into double plays. I'd take him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
He_Gawn Posted September 10, 2004 Author Share Posted September 10, 2004 And has some kick ass defense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Beast Posted September 10, 2004 Share Posted September 10, 2004 Starting Pitchers-Buehrle, Garcia, Contreras, (Free Agent) Garland I have no idea, I think the bullpen will be re-worked this off-season. 1st base-Minky, Dug 2nd base-Harris short stop-uribe/valdez 3rd base-Corey Koskie Left Field-Carlos Lee Center Field-Aaron Rowand Right Field-Carlos Beltran DH-Thomas Davis Gload, Burke, Alomar, Borchard, Perez Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JimH Posted September 10, 2004 Share Posted September 10, 2004 Starting Pitchers-Buehrle, Garcia, Contreras, (Free Agent) Garland I have no idea, I think the bullpen will be re-worked this off-season. 1st base-Minky, Dug 2nd base-Harris short stop-uribe/valdez 3rd base-Corey Koskie Left Field-Carlos Lee Center Field-Aaron Rowand Right Field-Carlos Beltran DH-Thomas Davis Gload, Burke, Alomar, Borchard, Perez Ross, curious why you think the Sox would have any chance at all to get Beltran. He is a Scott Boras client, for starters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted September 10, 2004 Share Posted September 10, 2004 Ross, curious why you think the Sox would have any chance at all to get Beltran. He is a Scott Boras client, for starters. I even want to know why he would put Beltran is right field and Rowand in center... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshPR Posted September 10, 2004 Share Posted September 10, 2004 Ross, curious why you think the Sox would have any chance at all to get Beltran. He is a Scott Boras client, for starters. Beltran said he's gonna change agents this off -season to Alan Nero. Ohhh and Beltran would be in center Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted September 10, 2004 Share Posted September 10, 2004 Snow (2004) AB-300 R-54 H-99 2B-26 3B-1 HR-9 RBI-43 BB-48 SO-52 SB-4 CS-0 BA-.330 OBP-.428 What's not to like about him? Check out his numbers in the 4 spot from 01-03. Nice. Batting #4 AB-28 R-3 H-10 2B-2 3B-1 HR-0 RBI-5 BB-3 SO-3 AVG-.357 OBP-.419 In 2004.. Batting #4 AB-6 R-1 H-3 2B-0 3B-0 HR-0 RBI-1 BB-2 SO-2 AVG-.500 SLG-.625 Granted yes, he was injured and all, but he's a solid contact hitter, tough to K, draws the walk, hardly grounds into double plays. I'd take him. To get that kind of production out of him elsewhere, you'd probably also need to add Bonds to the middle of your lineup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted September 10, 2004 Share Posted September 10, 2004 Beltran said he's gonna change agents this off -season to Alan Nero. Ohhh and Beltran would be in center Something tells me if the Astros make the playoffs and Beltran changes agents, he could actually stay in Houston, but I'd still think he'd go to the Yankees. And no way he'd play RF, Rowand would have to move to RF for us to get Beltran, which ain't gonna happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobDylan Posted September 10, 2004 Share Posted September 10, 2004 Heres mine: I believe that this IS possible, the trades are fair, and the players involved might be moved this year. Having said that, will this happen? Probley, most likely, NOT. Lee or Konerko has to go, I would rather have PK, mainly cuz its my moms fav. player... . Pierre might be hard to get, but Flordia needs SP, since Pavano is goning to be gone. They get 3 good arms, along with a CF to replace Pierre. Like I said will this happen, prob. not, but hey we can dream....RIGHT Lee, Munoz, Diaz, Borchard,SweeneyORAnderson for Byrnes, Dotel, Hudson Garland, Byrnes, Crede, SweeneyORAnderson, Cotts, Everett, Contreas for Mota, Lowell, Pierre, LoDuca Valdez,Grilli, Stewart, Sanders, More Minor Leaguers for Randy Winn, and Jamie Moyer CF--Pierre(TRADE) SS--Vizquel(FA) DH--Thomas 1B--Konerko 3B--Lowell(TRADE) C--LoDuca(TRADE) RF--Rowand LF-- Winn(TRADE) 2B--Harris BENCH--Perez BENCH--Burke BENCH--Gload BENCH--Uribe SP--Martinez(FA) SP--Hudson(TRADE) SP--Buehrle SP--Garcia SP--Moyer(TRADE) RP--Adkins RP--Marte RP--Wunsch RP--Mota(TRDAE) RP--Dotel(TRADE) RP--Urbina(FA) RP--Takatsu This can deffenetly win the WS with this team You couldn't even pull that off in MVP baseball. C'mon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobDylan Posted September 10, 2004 Share Posted September 10, 2004 Starting Pitchers-Buehrle, Garcia, Contreras, (Free Agent) Garland I have no idea, I think the bullpen will be re-worked this off-season. 1st base-Minky, Dug 2nd base-Harris short stop-uribe/valdez 3rd base-Corey Koskie Left Field-Carlos Lee Center Field-Aaron Rowand Right Field-Carlos Beltran DH-Thomas Davis Gload, Burke, Alomar, Borchard, Perez Minky? NO THANKS. I'll take 2003's Konerko over his sorry ass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesox61382 Posted September 11, 2004 Share Posted September 11, 2004 My semi-realistic lineup for 2005 would be as followed. Trade: Crede(3B), Garland(SP), and 2 propsects(not named McCarthy, Anderson, Sweeney, GGonzalez, or Fields) to Seattle for Ichiro(OF) Before people start telling me to come back to reality, hear me out. I think this is possible. Ichiro has been mentioned in trade rumors before(when Seattle was trying to negotiate a new contract with him), and it appears that Seattle is heading towards a long rebuilding phase. Losing Ichiro would be losing their one marketing tool during the expected struggles of rebuilding, however, they have had sucess in the past trading/not resigning superstars(RJohnson and ARod) and adding depth and youth in the process. While Crede and Garland have struggled this year, they still have the talent to be good major league players, are still realitively young, and will be realitively cheap over the next couple of years. Throw in two solid prospects, say Young and Cotts(for example), and I think it is a fair trade for both sides. Ichiro is EXACTLY what the Sox need. A high BA, high OBP, GG-calibur defensive, speedster. He is the best leadoff hitter in the game, and maybe the best since Rickey. Putting him at the top of the order in front of the power hitters that the Sox have would probably make the Sox offense one of the tops in the game. Sign: Koskie(3B) I think this will be a perfect fit. Although he has struggled a little this year(from a BA standpoint), he is still a solid, consistant, complete player. He does a little bit of everything(hit for BA, hit for power, runs well, solid plate disipline, good D) and would add a lefty bat to the middle of the order. Sign: Radke(SP) This might be a little bit of a stretch, and the Sox might have to settle for a cheaper(less effective) option, but he would look good in a Sox uniform. He would complement the power starters(Garcia and Contreras) nicely. KW said that pitching was going to be the #1 priority, and that the Sox would be in the market for a "good" starter, so Radke might not be that unrealistic, although they will probably settle for someone else(my gut feeling tells me Russ Ortiz). Sign: Palanco(2B) I think this guy could slip through the cracks. There is a very good middle infield FA market(Kent, Garciaparra, Renteria, Cabrera, Walker, ect), and Palanco could be had for a bargain. He is a solid all-around player and he can play multiple positions. I think he would fit in nicely in the #2 hole behind Ichiro. Sign: Urbina(RP) The Sox have been interested in this guy before. He is having a so-so season, but he still has a great arm and the Sox could really use another quality right handed reliever. Scott Williamson might also be an option if he is completely healthy. 2005 Lineup Ichiro(RF) Palanco(2B) Thomas(DH) Lee(LF) Konerko(1B) Koskie(3B) Rowand(CF) Davis© Uribe(SS) Bench Harris(2B/CF) Burke© Borchard(OF/1B/DH) Gload(Of/1B/DH) Valdez(IF) Rotation Garcia(RH) Buehrle(LH) Radke(RH) Contreras(RH) Diaz/Munoz/McCarthy(maybe by the AS break) Bullpen Takatsu(RH) Marte(LH) Urbina(RH) Polite(RH) Wunsch(LH) Adkins(RH) This is what I would like to see if JR and KW are truely dedicated towards winning. In all likelyhood, you won't see an Ichiro trade, the Sox will settle for a middle of the pack starter(like Ortiz) instead of Radke, they will probably sign a cheap relief option instead of a big name guy(see Polite last year), they will probably stick with Harris at 2B, I think they might go after a short-term option at 3B(see Koskie/Randa), and I wouldn't be surprised if either Konerko or Lee is traded(possible Garland and/or Crede as well). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted September 11, 2004 Share Posted September 11, 2004 My semi-realistic lineup for 2005 would be as followed. Trade: Crede(3B), Garland(SP), and 2 propsects(not named McCarthy, Anderson, Sweeney, GGonzalez, or Fields) to Seattle for Ichiro(OF) Before people start telling me to come back to reality, hear me out. I think this is possible. Ichiro has been mentioned in trade rumors before(when Seattle was trying to negotiate a new contract with him), and it appears that Seattle is heading towards a long rebuilding phase. Losing Ichiro would be losing their one marketing tool during the expected struggles of rebuilding, however, they have had sucess in the past trading/not resigning superstars(RJohnson and ARod) and adding depth and youth in the process. While Crede and Garland have struggled this year, they still have the talent to be good major league players, are still realitively young, and will be realitively cheap over the next couple of years. Throw in two solid prospects, say Young and Cotts(for example), and I think it is a fair trade for both sides. Ichiro is EXACTLY what the Sox need. A high BA, high OBP, GG-calibur defensive, speedster. He is the best leadoff hitter in the game, and maybe the best since Rickey. Putting him at the top of the order in front of the power hitters that the Sox have would probably make the Sox offense one of the tops in the game. Sign: Koskie(3B) I think this will be a perfect fit. Although he has struggled a little this year(from a BA standpoint), he is still a solid, consistant, complete player. He does a little bit of everything(hit for BA, hit for power, runs well, solid plate disipline, good D) and would add a lefty bat to the middle of the order. Sign: Radke(SP) This might be a little bit of a stretch, and the Sox might have to settle for a cheaper(less effective) option, but he would look good in a Sox uniform. He would complement the power starters(Garcia and Contreras) nicely. KW said that pitching was going to be the #1 priority, and that the Sox would be in the market for a "good" starter, so Radke might not be that unrealistic, although they will probably settle for someone else(my gut feeling tells me Russ Ortiz). Sign: Palanco(2B) I think this guy could slip through the cracks. There is a very good middle infield FA market(Kent, Garciaparra, Renteria, Cabrera, Walker, ect), and Palanco could be had for a bargain. He is a solid all-around player and he can play multiple positions. I think he would fit in nicely in the #2 hole behind Ichiro. Sign: Urbina(RP) The Sox have been interested in this guy before. He is having a so-so season, but he still has a great arm and the Sox could really use another quality right handed reliever. Scott Williamson might also be an option if he is completely healthy. 2005 Lineup Ichiro(RF) Palanco(2B) Thomas(DH) Lee(LF) Konerko(1B) Koskie(3B) Rowand(CF) Davis© Uribe(SS) Bench Harris(2B/CF) Burke© Borchard(OF/1B/DH) Gload(Of/1B/DH) Valdez(IF) Rotation Garcia(RH) Buehrle(LH) Radke(RH) Contreras(RH) Diaz/Munoz/McCarthy(maybe by the AS break) Bullpen Takatsu(RH) Marte(LH) Urbina(RH) Polite(RH) Wunsch(LH) Adkins(RH) This is what I would like to see if JR and KW are truely dedicated towards winning. In all likelyhood, you won't see an Ichiro trade, the Sox will settle for a middle of the pack starter(like Ortiz) instead of Radke, they will probably sign a cheap relief option instead of a big name guy(see Polite last year), they will probably stick with Harris at 2B, I think they might go after a short-term option at 3B(see Koskie/Randa), and I wouldn't be surprised if either Konerko or Lee is traded(possible Garland and/or Crede as well). I like everything you have said except for the fact polanco is not a free agent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gowhitesox30 Posted September 11, 2004 Share Posted September 11, 2004 You couldn't even pull that off in MVP baseball. C'mon. I am glad I asked of what you were thinking :dips*** :rolly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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