Texsox Posted September 12, 2004 Share Posted September 12, 2004 I am saying they reported stuff the Dems DID, not MAY HAVE DONE, as you originally put it. Evil, that was my point. The conservatives believe that the media has a liberal bias and overlooks or under reports Dem wrongdoing. I was merely pointing out that the media loves a good scandel and reports on Dem wrongdoing also. And as you helped to point out, the media did report on these events. I used obvious examples that everyone knew about. If the under reorting was true we wouldn't have heard much about these events. Thanks for the help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilMonkey Posted September 12, 2004 Share Posted September 12, 2004 Evil, that was my point. The conservatives believe that the media has a liberal bias and overlooks or under reports Dem wrongdoing. I was merely pointing out that the media loves a good scandel and reports on Dem wrongdoing also. And as you helped to point out, the media did report on these events. I used obvious examples that everyone knew about. If the under reorting was true we wouldn't have heard much about these events. Thanks for the help. Yes, the media loves a good scandel. And when it allcomes down to it, ratings rule. But for the so obvious ones you mentioned, they were almost forced to cover them due to Fox News and all the conservative radio. Those items got such play on there that the regular media COULDN'T ignore them. I think the big difference is what someone mentioned in this thread earlier. The conservative media knows they have a conservative bent. Except for Air America, the rest of them actually think they are somewhere in the middle, when they really are to the left. How come the author of the book that accuses Bush of doing coke at Camp David (Kitty Kelly?) is on all the daytime TV talk shows, when she really can't prove that, but yet the swift boat guys against Kerry are nowhere to be seen? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted September 12, 2004 Share Posted September 12, 2004 (edited) Yes, the media loves a good scandel. And when it allcomes down to it, ratings rule. But for the so obvious ones you mentioned, they were almost forced to cover them due to Fox News and all the conservative radio. Those items got such play on there that the regular media COULDN'T ignore them. I think the big difference is what someone mentioned in this thread earlier. The conservative media knows they have a conservative bent. Except for Air America, the rest of them actually think they are somewhere in the middle, when they really are to the left. How come the author of the book that accuses Bush of doing coke at Camp David (Kitty Kelly?) is on all the daytime TV talk shows, when she really can't prove that, but yet the swift boat guys against Kerry are nowhere to be seen? Mega Dittos Evil. Who needs an independent press when we have Rush and Hanntity with the guts to tell us the truth? Lets have the Government News Network direct from the GOP, it would have kept a great Republican like Nixon in office Mega Mega Dittos. Edited September 12, 2004 by Texsox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted September 12, 2004 Share Posted September 12, 2004 Yes, the media loves a good scandel. And when it allcomes down to it, ratings rule. But for the so obvious ones you mentioned, they were almost forced to cover them due to Fox News and all the conservative radio. Those items got such play on there that the regular media COULDN'T ignore them. I think the big difference is what someone mentioned in this thread earlier. The conservative media knows they have a conservative bent. Except for Air America, the rest of them actually think they are somewhere in the middle, when they really are to the left. How come the author of the book that accuses Bush of doing coke at Camp David (Kitty Kelly?) is on all the daytime TV talk shows, when she really can't prove that, but yet the swift boat guys against Kerry are nowhere to be seen? What swift boat guys? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 12, 2004 Share Posted September 12, 2004 Evil, that was my point. The conservatives believe that the media has a liberal bias and overlooks or under reports Dem wrongdoing. I was merely pointing out that the media loves a good scandel and reports on Dem wrongdoing also. And as you helped to point out, the media did report on these events. I used obvious examples that everyone knew about. If the under reorting was true we wouldn't have heard much about these events. Thanks for the help. And little wonder why when one of the biggest names in journalism is fund raising for the democratic party... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Kickass Posted September 12, 2004 Share Posted September 12, 2004 Yes, of course the media is a monolith and Dan Rather runs it all. I mean, really, what a crappy argument to make. If you wanna insinuate bias, you have to go beyond one anchor of the lowest rated evening newscast. Honestly. If the media were biased, why are there all these "rudderless Kerry campaign" stories because Kerry is about 4 points behind after a convention bounce. Where was the "rudderless Bush campaign?" The media is lazy, not biased. I heard three or four different journalists at the Democratic Convention say "At the core of this convention is Bush-bashing." On nights where the president's name isn't even mentioned. I didn't hear that at Republican convention nights, despite speeches that focused more on what's wrong with Kerry than what was right with Bush. Despite purple heart bandaids and "Flip-Flop" chants. Media lately seems to report on perception, not the actual story. If they did, the "I invented the internet" story wouldn't have been a story. If they did, Bush's National Guard service story would have been a big deal four years ago. You said where the Swift Boat vets are? They're freaking everywhere! When that first commerical went out, John O'Neill was on CNN, Fox News, MSNBC, they even replayed the old Dick Cavett show that he debated Kerry about the war on C-SPAN. Kitty Kelley is on a book tour and she gets booked on the Today show. That's indicative of bias? Honestly, if you want to make a real argument about liberal bias, stop cherry-picking retarded examples and show me some proof. I'll give you Dan Rather. But then I get Brit Hume. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted September 12, 2004 Share Posted September 12, 2004 And little wonder why when one of the biggest names in journalism is fund raising for the democratic party... Mega Dittos SS. Rush is not a Journalist, he's an entertainer so his participation is OK!. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 12, 2004 Share Posted September 12, 2004 Mega Dittos SS. Rush is not a Journalist, he's an entertainer so his participation is OK!. And when Rush is broadcasting on CBS I'll believe there is no bias on main TV network news. MegaBS Tex. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted September 12, 2004 Share Posted September 12, 2004 And when Rush is broadcasting on CBS I'll believe there is no bias on main TV network news. MegaBS Tex. Mega dittos SS. We all pray Rush will be carried 24/7 on CBS, because for most Americans, it is impossible to listen to him. Damn liberal radio stations keeping him off the air. Rush for 10 minutes on CBS would be way better than Rush for hours on the radio. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Kickass Posted September 12, 2004 Share Posted September 12, 2004 And when Rush is broadcasting on CBS I'll believe there is no bias on main TV network news. MegaBS Tex. He has a bigger audience on the radio. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted September 12, 2004 Share Posted September 12, 2004 He has a bigger audience on the radio. How do we know his audience even own TVs? AM radios are more likely. I'm certain many of his listeners threw away their TVs after the JJ Superbowl Halftime wardrobe malfunction. I know I did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 12, 2004 Share Posted September 12, 2004 He has a bigger audience on the radio. And that ought to tell you something. When one of the most famous newsbroadcasters in history who is on at prime time on a major network gets outdrawn by a guy who is on the radio while most people work, what does that tell you about people's opinion of the media. If they were saying what people believed, it wouldn't be like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 12, 2004 Share Posted September 12, 2004 How do we know his audience even own TVs? AM radios are more likely. I'm certain many of his listeners threw away their TVs after the JJ Superbowl Halftime wardrobe malfunction. I know I did. Is the whole act necesary? It got old after about two posts. And if the conversation is going to consist of BS, I have no interest in continuing it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted September 12, 2004 Share Posted September 12, 2004 And that ought to tell you something. When one of the most famous newsbroadcasters in history who is on at prime time on a major network gets outdrawn by a guy who is on the radio while most people work, what does that tell you about people's opinion of the media. If they were saying what people believed, it wouldn't be like that. If they were saying what people believed they wouldn't be reporting the news. But then that isn't what conservatives want. They want PR for their candidates and policies and zero criticism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted September 12, 2004 Share Posted September 12, 2004 Is the whole act necesary? It got old after about two posts. And if the conversation is going to consist of BS, I have no interest in continuing it. Mega Dittos SS. It's getting old listening to the party that controls the airways crying about conspiracies and how they are being treated unfairly when they own the airwaves. Rush is #1 in ratings, the #1 web sites for revenue are all porn. What does that tell you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LowerCaseRepublican Posted September 12, 2004 Share Posted September 12, 2004 Tex it tells me that liberals really like porn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Kickass Posted September 12, 2004 Share Posted September 12, 2004 And that ought to tell you something. When one of the most famous newsbroadcasters in history who is on at prime time on a major network gets outdrawn by a guy who is on the radio while most people work, what does that tell you about people's opinion of the media. If they were saying what people believed, it wouldn't be like that. It tells me that people are more apt to listen to the radio at noon then they are to settle down and watch the news at 6.30. Rush Limbaugh doesn't have 5 Rush Limbaugh's to compete against when he's on. The NBC Nightly News is up against, World News Tonight, CBS Evening News, MSNBC, CNBC, CNN, Fox News Channel and in some markets BBC News or MacNeil Lehrer on PBS. Most radio markets have no other talk station besides the one that carries Rush. Oh yeah, Rush Limbaugh is not a journalist. He's an entertainer, or so I'm told. The format and intent are completely different. And Rush Limbaugh DID have a TV show. It got cancelled after a year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 12, 2004 Share Posted September 12, 2004 It tells me that people are more apt to listen to the radio at noon then they are to settle down and watch the news at 6.30. Rush Limbaugh doesn't have 5 Rush Limbaugh's to compete against when he's on. The NBC Nightly News is up against, World News Tonight, CBS Evening News, MSNBC, CNBC, CNN, Fox News Channel and in some markets BBC News or MacNeil Lehrer on PBS. Most radio markets have no other talk station besides the one that carries Rush. Oh yeah, Rush Limbaugh is not a journalist. He's an entertainer, or so I'm told. The format and intent are completely different. And Rush Limbaugh DID have a TV show. It got cancelled after a year. Well you are dead on right, he doesn't have 5 people to compete against, he has the entire AM frequency to compete against. Plus he has all of the cable news networks to compete against. As for his TV show it was awful, just like his radio show. To make it worse, Rush definately has a face for radio. But look at the networks that carried it, and when it was on... it was on off-networks and on after the late news. Its not like he was going up against the networks prime time news. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Kickass Posted September 12, 2004 Share Posted September 12, 2004 Rush Limbaugh isn't on AM solely. There is very little direct formattic competition for Rush Limbaugh. Further, Rush Limbaugh is a personality. The news is the news. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 12, 2004 Share Posted September 12, 2004 Rush Limbaugh isn't on AM solely. There is very little direct formattic competition for Rush Limbaugh. Further, Rush Limbaugh is a personality. The news is the news. I have always thought of Rush as entertainment, because he sure isn't dependable enough to be considered the news in my eyes. His opinionated slants make his version of the new undependable in my eyes. And IMO that is getting to be the problem with the networks as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted September 12, 2004 Share Posted September 12, 2004 I have always thought of Rush as entertainment, because he sure isn't dependable enough to be considered the news in my eyes. His opinionated slants make his version of the new undependable in my eyes. And IMO that is getting to be the problem with the networks as well. I wonder how many of his listeners believe it is entertainment and not fact? I don't hear people recite what they heard on Rush the same as they recreate dialog from That's So Raven or other equally entertaining shows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilMonkey Posted September 13, 2004 Share Posted September 13, 2004 Actually, in many markets, Rush competes with Hannity during the midday hours. In Chicago, Hannity gets rebroadcast at a later time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted September 13, 2004 Share Posted September 13, 2004 Actually, in many markets, Rush competes with Hannity during the midday hours. In Chicago, Hannity gets rebroadcast at a later time. Some markets have Hannity and Rush on at the same time?! If that isn't clearly an example of the liberal bias in the media. Do you think if the top two talk shows were both liberal would the liberal media allow them to compete? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kapkomet Posted September 13, 2004 Share Posted September 13, 2004 You completely miss the point. If these guys didn't have people to listen to their stuff, THEY WOULDN'T BE THE #1 AND #2 most listened to radio shows in America. People must agree with their views - because if more people agreed with Al Franken, wouldn't his show be #1 in America? I personally think about 80% of what Rush says is bull s***. I think that what Hannity comes up with is nearly the same, and perhaps even more biased then even Rush. I asked a serious question about the media, and in reading today, I see that we're getting mocked for being "conservative". How nice. I think I need to go away for a while. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted September 13, 2004 Share Posted September 13, 2004 (edited) You completely miss the point. If these guys didn't have people to listen to their stuff, THEY WOULDN'T BE THE #1 AND #2 most listened to radio shows in America. People must agree with their views - because if more people agreed with Al Franken, wouldn't his show be #1 in America? I personally think about 80% of what Rush says is bull s***. I think that what Hannity comes up with is nearly the same, and perhaps even more biased then even Rush. I asked a serious question about the media, and in reading today, I see that we're getting mocked for being "conservative". How nice. I think I need to go away for a while. Don't confuse being popular with being right. Feeding Christians to lions was popular. This is the modern day equivelent. Pick some poor idiot from the far left who cannot speak intelligently about anything, twist his words, edit his comments, and laugh at the person while caller after caller chants mega dittos Rush, your a true American and I am greatly honored to be able to speak with you. But after reading the entire Rush web site, I am switching over to Bush. Piss on the UN, let's go get 'em W. People only listen to what they agree with? Then why doesn't that hold true for the news media? Edited September 13, 2004 by Texsox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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