southsideirish71 Posted September 11, 2004 Share Posted September 11, 2004 80 year old Troy Percival makes Carlos Lee look silly. Its nice to get our number 3 hitter up to the play to watch 3 pitches for strikes, including the I am going to duck, when its just a curve over the middle of the plate. Then he makes a series of silly I need to take a dump in my shorts looks as he pouts back to the dugout. Lee has a ton of talent, however I have a stinking feeling that he has large amount of air between his ears. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilliamTell Posted September 11, 2004 Share Posted September 11, 2004 Well, let's get them next game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndySoxFan Posted September 11, 2004 Share Posted September 11, 2004 80 year old Troy Percival makes Carlos Lee look silly. Its nice to get our number 3 hitter up to the play to watch 3 pitches for strikes, including the I am going to duck, when its just a curve over the middle of the plate. Then he makes a series of silly I need to take a dump in my shorts looks as he pouts back to the dugout. Lee has a ton of talent, however I have a stinking feeling that he has large amount of air between his ears. dude is a meathead Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish71 Posted September 11, 2004 Share Posted September 11, 2004 Its nice to see that the WhiteSox bullpen can quickly turn a 2-1 pitchers duel into 7 runs scored. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted September 11, 2004 Share Posted September 11, 2004 Its nice to get our number 3 hitter up to the play to watch 3 pitches for strikes, including the I am going to duck, when its just a curve over the middle of the plate. Then he makes a series of silly I need to take a dump in my shorts looks as he pouts back to the dugout. Lee has a ton of talent, however I have a stinking feeling that he has large amount of air between his ears. Can you say.. trade bait.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish71 Posted September 11, 2004 Share Posted September 11, 2004 Can you say.. trade bait.. This is also the same hitter that had a 28 game hitting streak going raising his average from the .230's to .300 and then decides to completely change his swing because I can only take that his agent called him and told him to increase the power numbers. My favorite Carlos Lee was the Carlos Lee that hit to all fields, hit with power to right and right center and didnt strike out. He was a dangerous, line drive hitter who had a quick compact swing. This Carlos Lee, the one that has a long looping swing, that strikes out looking silly because he is sitting on a pitch and is too stubborn to protect the plate. This is the same new Carlos Lee that keeps a long home runs swing with men on 2nd and 3rd with a close game with 2 strikes on him. But man he hits home runs. Our team has the most messed up looking swings. Uribe looks to fall down on every plate appearance. Valentin looks like a human fan as he waves the bat at the ball like the might casey. Joe Crede and Joe Borchard are exactly 1.2 seconds late on the 85 mph fastball down the middle of the plate, but they can hit a curveball if they guess its coming like no ones business. Maybe they should try and duplicate Rowand. Nice short compact swing, uses his bat speed to generate power. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted September 11, 2004 Share Posted September 11, 2004 Lee has hit safely in 21 of his last 22 games. That really sucks ass. :rolly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish71 Posted September 11, 2004 Share Posted September 11, 2004 Lee has hit safely in 21 of his last 22 games. That really sucks ass. :rolly Its not how many times you hit it, its when you hit it. If you think he has been real clutch over the last month or so then give me some of what you are drinking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted September 11, 2004 Share Posted September 11, 2004 Its not how many times you hit it, its when you hit it. If you think he has been real clutch over the last month or so then give me some of what you are drinking. I never said he has been really clutch as of late. Any way it is pretty hard when the only guy that ever seems to get on before you is rowand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish71 Posted September 11, 2004 Share Posted September 11, 2004 I never said he has been really clutch as of late. Any way it is pretty hard when the only guy that ever seems to get on before you is rowand. The big problem with Lee is between his ears. He is not a smart player. If he used that long home run swing early in the count and say moved to a defensive compact swing he would be extremely dangerous. But he refuses to make adjustments. Pitchers have been painting the outside corner all year long against the sox. Yet they still try to pull the outside pitch over and over. When they hit to the opposite field early in the game it forces the pitcher to try to bust them inside and thats when they can pull the ball for a big home run. But going up there and watching pitch after pitch because you are looking for a center cut fastball to drive is maddening. I have watched him over and over not even offer on the outside corner because he knows he cant hit it. So he will "tip his hat" my favorite saying and wait for another chance to mash the ball. Its something that multiple sox hitters have done all year long. I have seen him hit the ball with such power to right and right center and it really makes him more dangerous because then the pitcher has to come inside to back him off. But like most of the sox hitters, he stands on the very outside of the batters box so he can extend his arms on the inside pitch and cannot reach the outside pitch at all. Arow is the only hitter really putting together the mental game and the physical game. He spent the offseason working out in Las Vegas to get into the best shape of his life. He is a hard worker that leaves it all on the field. Then you compare that too. Willie Harris. Great speed, but timid in every sense of the word. He takes good pitches and swings at bad ones, he cannot take lessons learned from good experiences and use them in the next game. Very streaky. Great speed but cannot get a good jump because he cant read a pitchers pickoff move. He really needs to immitate Ichiro and slap the ball to left more often and earlier in the count. Uribe. Very dangerous when he hits up the middle and to right. Good defense, and a strong arm. Has talent like crazy, but gets into funks where he gets into a pull crazy motion. This is where he falls over trying to cheat on the inside fastball so he can jack it into row 3. He has come around lately getting back to hitting to right and right center. Valentin. This is a relationship that the sox must sever to move forward. He typifies all that is wrong with the sox. He goes up there looking to hit the ball out of the park on every single swing. I think I have seen him shorten his swing up 3 times this year to make contact. He has a great arm, but his lack of concentration causes him to mess up easy plays when he makes the difficults ones. This is a lack of mental fortitude. Dropping easy popups during critical games against a team you are battling is an example of why we dont need his leadership. We dont need a SS that his 25 or more homers. We need a SS that is good with his glove and can get on base and doesnt strike out alot. Paul Konerko. If he hits 275 and hits 30-40 home runs and drives in over a 100 this is all that you can ask. Yes he is very slow and GIDP too many times. But I think that he could be even better if he didnt have crap hitting behind him. Joe Borchard. I dont even know if he is a great talent. He might be the Brian Bosworth of baseball. He teases with the 500 foot monster shot then everytime the game is on the line or the last batter comes up, he marches to the plate to get overmatched over and over. He could shorten his swing up and make a better player out of himself. But I suspect that he has fallen in love with the homer and will refuse to mend his ways. Joe Crede. Terrible hitting mechanics. His swing is not fluid and is almost robotic. His strikeouts are usually typified by his head moving down to look for the ball after the ball has crossed the plate. His swing is junk speed. Why anyone would ever throw him a curve I dont know. You bust this guy with heat he will go down 123. You throw him a curve that sinks down in the middle of the plate he will hit a moon shot. He is another one that if he shortened up his swing would be pretty good. But he doesnt want to change it. And now actually rests his bat on the shoulder before the pitch is released ala Olivo circa 2003. The Catching position has hit pretty well considering by most accounts we gave up Pudge junior. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Honda Civic Posted September 11, 2004 Share Posted September 11, 2004 The Catching position has hit pretty well considering by most accounts we gave up Pudge junior. Funniest.post.ever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted September 11, 2004 Share Posted September 11, 2004 The big problem with Lee is between his ears. He is not a smart player. If he used that long home run swing early in the count and say moved to a defensive compact swing he would be extremely dangerous. But he refuses to make adjustments. Pitchers have been painting the outside corner all year long against the sox. Yet they still try to pull the outside pitch over and over. When they hit to the opposite field early in the game it forces the pitcher to try to bust them inside and thats when they can pull the ball for a big home run. But going up there and watching pitch after pitch because you are looking for a center cut fastball to drive is maddening. I have watched him over and over not even offer on the outside corner because he knows he cant hit it. So he will "tip his hat" my favorite saying and wait for another chance to mash the ball. Its something that multiple sox hitters have done all year long. I have seen him hit the ball with such power to right and right center and it really makes him more dangerous because then the pitcher has to come inside to back him off. But like most of the sox hitters, he stands on the very outside of the batters box so he can extend his arms on the inside pitch and cannot reach the outside pitch at all. Arow is the only hitter really putting together the mental game and the physical game. He spent the offseason working out in Las Vegas to get into the best shape of his life. He is a hard worker that leaves it all on the field. Then you compare that too. Willie Harris. Great speed, but timid in every sense of the word. He takes good pitches and swings at bad ones, he cannot take lessons learned from good experiences and use them in the next game. Very streaky. Great speed but cannot get a good jump because he cant read a pitchers pickoff move. He really needs to immitate Ichiro and slap the ball to left more often and earlier in the count. Uribe. Very dangerous when he hits up the middle and to right. Good defense, and a strong arm. Has talent like crazy, but gets into funks where he gets into a pull crazy motion. This is where he falls over trying to cheat on the inside fastball so he can jack it into row 3. He has come around lately getting back to hitting to right and right center. Valentin. This is a relationship that the sox must sever to move forward. He typifies all that is wrong with the sox. He goes up there looking to hit the ball out of the park on every single swing. I think I have seen him shorten his swing up 3 times this year to make contact. He has a great arm, but his lack of concentration causes him to mess up easy plays when he makes the difficults ones. This is a lack of mental fortitude. Dropping easy popups during critical games against a team you are battling is an example of why we dont need his leadership. We dont need a SS that his 25 or more homers. We need a SS that is good with his glove and can get on base and doesnt strike out alot. Paul Konerko. If he hits 275 and hits 30-40 home runs and drives in over a 100 this is all that you can ask. Yes he is very slow and GIDP too many times. But I think that he could be even better if he didnt have crap hitting behind him. Joe Borchard. I dont even know if he is a great talent. He might be the Brian Bosworth of baseball. He teases with the 500 foot monster shot then everytime the game is on the line or the last batter comes up, he marches to the plate to get overmatched over and over. He could shorten his swing up and make a better player out of himself. But I suspect that he has fallen in love with the homer and will refuse to mend his ways. Joe Crede. Terrible hitting mechanics. His swing is not fluid and is almost robotic. His strikeouts are usually typified by his head moving down to look for the ball after the ball has crossed the plate. His swing is junk speed. Why anyone would ever throw him a curve I dont know. You bust this guy with heat he will go down 123. You throw him a curve that sinks down in the middle of the plate he will hit a moon shot. He is another one that if he shortened up his swing would be pretty good. But he doesnt want to change it. And now actually rests his bat on the shoulder before the pitch is released ala Olivo circa 2003. The Catching position has hit pretty well considering by most accounts we gave up Pudge junior. Nice post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted September 11, 2004 Share Posted September 11, 2004 The big problem with Lee is between his ears. He is not a smart player. If he used that long home run swing early in the count and say moved to a defensive compact swing he would be extremely dangerous. But he refuses to make adjustments. Pitchers have been painting the outside corner all year long against the sox. Yet they still try to pull the outside pitch over and over. When they hit to the opposite field early in the game it forces the pitcher to try to bust them inside and thats when they can pull the ball for a big home run. But going up there and watching pitch after pitch because you are looking for a center cut fastball to drive is maddening. I have watched him over and over not even offer on the outside corner because he knows he cant hit it. So he will "tip his hat" my favorite saying and wait for another chance to mash the ball. Its something that multiple sox hitters have done all year long. I have seen him hit the ball with such power to right and right center and it really makes him more dangerous because then the pitcher has to come inside to back him off. But like most of the sox hitters, he stands on the very outside of the batters box so he can extend his arms on the inside pitch and cannot reach the outside pitch at all. Arow is the only hitter really putting together the mental game and the physical game. He spent the offseason working out in Las Vegas to get into the best shape of his life. He is a hard worker that leaves it all on the field. Then you compare that too. Willie Harris. Great speed, but timid in every sense of the word. He takes good pitches and swings at bad ones, he cannot take lessons learned from good experiences and use them in the next game. Very streaky. Great speed but cannot get a good jump because he cant read a pitchers pickoff move. He really needs to immitate Ichiro and slap the ball to left more often and earlier in the count. Uribe. Very dangerous when he hits up the middle and to right. Good defense, and a strong arm. Has talent like crazy, but gets into funks where he gets into a pull crazy motion. This is where he falls over trying to cheat on the inside fastball so he can jack it into row 3. He has come around lately getting back to hitting to right and right center. Valentin. This is a relationship that the sox must sever to move forward. He typifies all that is wrong with the sox. He goes up there looking to hit the ball out of the park on every single swing. I think I have seen him shorten his swing up 3 times this year to make contact. He has a great arm, but his lack of concentration causes him to mess up easy plays when he makes the difficults ones. This is a lack of mental fortitude. Dropping easy popups during critical games against a team you are battling is an example of why we dont need his leadership. We dont need a SS that his 25 or more homers. We need a SS that is good with his glove and can get on base and doesnt strike out alot. Paul Konerko. If he hits 275 and hits 30-40 home runs and drives in over a 100 this is all that you can ask. Yes he is very slow and GIDP too many times. But I think that he could be even better if he didnt have crap hitting behind him. Joe Borchard. I dont even know if he is a great talent. He might be the Brian Bosworth of baseball. He teases with the 500 foot monster shot then everytime the game is on the line or the last batter comes up, he marches to the plate to get overmatched over and over. He could shorten his swing up and make a better player out of himself. But I suspect that he has fallen in love with the homer and will refuse to mend his ways. Joe Crede. Terrible hitting mechanics. His swing is not fluid and is almost robotic. His strikeouts are usually typified by his head moving down to look for the ball after the ball has crossed the plate. His swing is junk speed. Why anyone would ever throw him a curve I dont know. You bust this guy with heat he will go down 123. You throw him a curve that sinks down in the middle of the plate he will hit a moon shot. He is another one that if he shortened up his swing would be pretty good. But he doesnt want to change it. And now actually rests his bat on the shoulder before the pitch is released ala Olivo circa 2003. The Catching position has hit pretty well considering by most accounts we gave up Pudge junior. I have said several times that lee is one of the dumbest players in the game. But i continue to like him. Also we did not give up pudge junior, not even close. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish71 Posted September 11, 2004 Share Posted September 11, 2004 I have said several times that lee is one of the dumbest players in the game. But i continue to like him. Also we did not give up pudge junior. I should of put the pudge junior in green. Everyone was all bent out of shape when Olivo was given up in the trade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted September 11, 2004 Share Posted September 11, 2004 I should of put the pudge junior in green. Everyone was all bent out of shape when Olivo was given up in the trade. I liked him as much as the next guy but after i thought about it he is nothing special. He may be one day just not now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted September 11, 2004 Share Posted September 11, 2004 I liked him as much as the next guy but after i thought about it he is nothing special. He may be one day just not now. He is a special player right now. Always has a smile on his face, goes out and plays his ass off everyday, and shows his talent on the field going all out. That's the sign of a special player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted September 11, 2004 Share Posted September 11, 2004 He is a special player right now. Always has a smile on his face, goes out and plays his ass off everyday, and shows his talent on the field going all out. That's the sign of a special player. He cannot hit righties, call a game very well or throw out base stealers. While he may give his all day in day out it is not translating into much success. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted September 11, 2004 Share Posted September 11, 2004 He cannot hit righties, call a game very well or throw out base stealers. While he may give his all day in day out it is not translating into much success. Only 25 years old, and you can't go by what KW and JR say about his game calling, and don't even mention can't throw out base stealers cuz he had the best percentage in that department just last year. Seattle is very pleased with him and we are very pleased with Garcia, but he is a special player like it or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted September 11, 2004 Share Posted September 11, 2004 Only 25 years old, and you can't go by what KW and JR say about his game calling, and don't even mention can't throw out base stealers cuz he had the best percentage in that department just last year. Seattle is very pleased with him and we are very pleased with Garcia, but he is a special player like it or not. What exactly is so special about his game? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted September 11, 2004 Share Posted September 11, 2004 What exactly is so special about his game? And from that, I am ending this conversation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted September 11, 2004 Share Posted September 11, 2004 And from that, I am ending this coversation. Lol o.k. when there is proof that he is a special player i will agree with you. I mean about 75%-80% of pitchers you face are righty and if he can't hit them at least decent he will be nothing more that a .250-.260 hitter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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