Rowand44 Posted September 19, 2004 Share Posted September 19, 2004 Go Heels!!! :puke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palehosefan Posted September 19, 2004 Share Posted September 19, 2004 :puke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WSoxShuf Posted September 21, 2004 Share Posted September 21, 2004 Nobody wants to go to illinois, so they are now recruiting 1 star Juco players :puke Downey,Wright and Goodridge have denied them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bones Posted September 21, 2004 Share Posted September 21, 2004 Nobody wants to go to illinois, so they are now recruiting 1 star Juco players :puke Downey,Wright and Goodridge have denied them. Oh yeah? Well, I'm recruiting your mom to my bed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlliniKrush Posted September 21, 2004 Share Posted September 21, 2004 Nobody wants to go to illinois, so they are now recruiting 1 star Juco players :puke Downey,Wright and Goodridge have denied them. Maybe if Self stopped his negative recruiting ways we would have landed Wright. Weber has to establish himself at Illinois. He's been here a year. Self didn't recruit for s*** here right away either. Hardly any coaches of this nature do, anywhere. The program will sell itself if we can make a run to the elite eight, final four, etc.lk In the meantime, keep choking over in Lawrence. PS Wright is going to the NBA anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WSoxShuf Posted September 21, 2004 Share Posted September 21, 2004 Well the puking motion means that I am angry about this lack of recruiting. Illinois is my second favorite team. This is Self's second year and he has the top recruiting class next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlliniKrush Posted September 21, 2004 Share Posted September 21, 2004 Well the puking motion means that I am angry about this lack of recruiting. Illinois is my second favorite team. This is Self's second year and he has the top recruiting class next year. He also established himself at Illinois. Weber didn't exactly establish himself at SIU in the same manner Self did at Illinois. That's what i'm getting at. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WSoxShuf Posted September 21, 2004 Share Posted September 21, 2004 That makes perfect sense to me. I think Self is a wonderful recruiter, but Kansas sells itself Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlliniKrush Posted September 21, 2004 Share Posted September 21, 2004 That makes perfect sense to me. I think Self is a wonderful recruiter, but Kansas sells itself Illinois has somewhat begun to sell itself as well. But Self is one of the best recruiters i've ever seen. That being said, without bias i can say that i think Weber is a better game coach than Self. But Self can recruit with anyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WSoxShuf Posted September 21, 2004 Share Posted September 21, 2004 ....and i think Self coaches better than Roy Williams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSteve Posted September 21, 2004 Share Posted September 21, 2004 9) MSU (still don't have a PG, but I like Hill, Torbert, and Davis a lot) Neitzel will step into PG this year most likely. IIRC he was Mr. Basketball for the state of Michigan. He is a very good player. Every team needs freshmen to contribute, and he should. MSU will be much improved this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoomSlowik Posted September 21, 2004 Share Posted September 21, 2004 Neitzel will step into PG this year most likely. IIRC he was Mr. Basketball for the state of Michigan. He is a very good player. Every team needs freshmen to contribute, and he should. MSU will be much improved this year. I kind of thought that, but I have two issues. First, Izzo doesn't seem to want to give massive roles to freshmen, even when he has studs like Marcus Taylor, Zach Randolph, or Jason Richardson. Two, their lineup seemed to work last year toward the end of the season. At least to me, it seems that a lineup of Hill, Torbert, Ager/Brown, Anderson, and Davis works at times, although he would probably have to switch it around a bit to match up with other team's post players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan99 Posted September 21, 2004 Share Posted September 21, 2004 (edited) That makes perfect sense to me. I think Self is a wonderful recruiter, but Kansas sells itself Just for comparison (and I truly believe Self may be the best recruiter in college BB) here were his classes at Illinois along with rankings for those who care. Rankings may be a little off but I didn't really feel like looking up the exact RSCI rankings when I know very close to where all these guys were ranked. 1. Blandon Ferguson JC (didn't do anything) Luther Head-NR (turned into a very good player) Kept Roger Powell who had already committed on board 2. Dee Brown - around 20 Deron Williams around 50 (great get for Self but not a whole lot of comp. as GT had already just signed Jarret Jack, also missed out on Sean Dockery) James Augustine around 80 (had to be convinced by Dee and assistants to take him after missing out on Shelden Williams, Michael Thompson, and Ike Diogu) Aaron Spears borderline top 100 (not with team) Kyle Wilson borderline top 100 (not with team) 3. Rich McBride around 30 (very good get coming out of HS) Brian Randle around 55 (extremely athletic, hasn't proven anything besides that yet) Warren Carter NR (could end up being a tremendous SF/PF at the college level) *Charlie Villanueva top 5 (committed ended up at UCONN where he contributed very little to their NC last year) Bruce Weber As Self had to keep Powell on board so did Weber have to keep Carter Randle, and McBride on board 1. Shaun Pruitt- 55-70 are the rankings I've seen for him, the kid is huge and rankings wise is better than any big man self brought into UI unless you count CV Calvin Brock borderline top 100 #3 player in Illinois last year (tremendous athlete easily the most explosive athlete on the team) 2. So far Marcus Arnold- transfer from ISU, averaged over 12 PPG last year and made our big men look horrible when we faced them Jamar Smith-terrific shooter borderline 100 type ranking David Palmer-this guy is a bit of an enigma, a one time top 25 player per insiders top 50 per rivals and at least one other source as slid drastically in the rankings due to an injury, is going to Oak Hill this year which should help him a lot and if he gets back to form is a very good get for UI While I'm worried who will fill out the class of '05 up to this point I'm very happy with the guys Weber has coming into the program. Edited September 21, 2004 by whitesoxfan99 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlliniKrush Posted September 22, 2004 Share Posted September 22, 2004 Good recap there. The thing that stands out is that Self got some studs - Weber hasn't. You could argue that Livingston would have committed to Illinois (even if he went to the NBA) if Self was still here. Had Villanueva. But we can't land anyone huge right now. When Self walks into Wright's home and lands him without a visit...well i just don't know what to say to that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan99 Posted September 22, 2004 Share Posted September 22, 2004 Good recap there. The thing that stands out is that Self got some studs - Weber hasn't. You could argue that Livingston would have committed to Illinois (even if he went to the NBA) if Self was still here. Had Villanueva. But we can't land anyone huge right now. When Self walks into Wright's home and lands him without a visit...well i just don't know what to say to that. It means he is a great recruiter and that Julian Wright always wanted to go to Kansas. The only reason he removed Kansas was that Kansas cooled on him not the other way around. Julian Wright wanted to go to an "elite" program and when he found out Arizona wasn't what he was looking for and Kansas made itself available and Wright jumped at the chance. At least thats what I've pieced together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WSoxShuf Posted September 22, 2004 Share Posted September 22, 2004 It means he is a great recruiter and that Julian Wright always wanted to go to Kansas. The only reason he removed Kansas was that Kansas cooled on him not the other way around. Julian Wright wanted to go to an "elite" program and when he found out Arizona wasn't what he was looking for and Kansas made itself available and Wright jumped at the chance. At least thats what I've pieced together. are we still talking about Julian Wright, that was so last week. Brandon Costner or CJ Miles is the next KU Recruit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
He_Gawn Posted September 22, 2004 Share Posted September 22, 2004 Who cares, Kansas will choke everything away anyways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WSoxShuf Posted September 22, 2004 Share Posted September 22, 2004 Who cares, Kansas will choke everything away anyways. Dont know about that the choker is eating ribs in carolina and crying about his players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palehosefan Posted September 22, 2004 Share Posted September 22, 2004 lol such bitterness towards the man who built your program into one that Self would jump at the chance to join. I love Kansas fans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WSoxShuf Posted September 22, 2004 Share Posted September 22, 2004 Sounds like Illinois fans also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan99 Posted September 22, 2004 Share Posted September 22, 2004 Sounds like Illinois fans also. The difference is Self wasn't at Illinois long enough to build anything and lets not forget that it was actually Lon Krueger who really made it possible for Self to build a very good team at Illinois by putting together the Elite 8 team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WSoxShuf Posted September 22, 2004 Share Posted September 22, 2004 Who recruited those guys in your sig. also, under that reasoning Roy did take over the year after Larry Brown won a ntl championship. So actually Larry built up the program. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlliniKrush Posted September 22, 2004 Share Posted September 22, 2004 Sounds like Illinois fans also. That's not half true, Self never finished what he started Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palehosefan Posted September 22, 2004 Share Posted September 22, 2004 BTW, Costner committed to NC State today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danman31 Posted September 22, 2004 Share Posted September 22, 2004 are we still talking about Julian Wright, that was so last week. Brandon Costner or CJ Miles is the next KU Recruit Oh God, he hasn't played a game yet for KU and he is last week's news. :rolly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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