GoArow33 Posted September 12, 2004 Share Posted September 12, 2004 Do we need to offer Maggs a contract for compensation draft picks? I believe he'd likely reject our offer anyway so why can't we just offer him a cheap contract for draft picks? We'd get two for him since he's a type A FA correct? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Honda Civic Posted September 12, 2004 Share Posted September 12, 2004 We're screwed -- As I understand it, we have to offer him at least %80 of his salary for this season, which would work out to 11.2 MIL -- We can't take the risk of 11MIL that he may accept it, given his condition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted September 12, 2004 Share Posted September 12, 2004 We're screwed -- As I understand it, we have to offer him at least %80 of his salary for this season, which would work out to 11.2 MIL -- We can't take the risk of 11MIL that he may accept it, given his condition. If we offer him that i agree that he will almost definitely sign it. Which = most likely f***ed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted September 12, 2004 Share Posted September 12, 2004 i don't know the exact numbers but hell yeah we offer him a contract. if he comes back and hit like he has, we trade him then. if he doesn't, oh well, the sox take the pr move as a team that is willing to be loyal to their players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted September 12, 2004 Share Posted September 12, 2004 i don't know the exact numbers but hell yeah we offer him a contract. if he comes back and hit like he has, we trade him then. if he doesn't, oh well, the sox take the pr move as a team that is willing to be loyal to their players. Chances that he hits like normal is not very likely imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heads22 Posted September 12, 2004 Share Posted September 12, 2004 We're really between a rock and a hard place on this one. I'd love the extra draft picks, but I don't like the risk of him resigning if he's as badly hurt as is being speculated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 12, 2004 Share Posted September 12, 2004 Do we need to offer Maggs a contract for compensation draft picks? I believe he'd likely reject our offer anyway so why can't we just offer him a cheap contract for draft picks? We'd get two for him since he's a type A FA correct? We do have to offer him arbitration to get picks for Maggs... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted September 12, 2004 Share Posted September 12, 2004 Chances that he hits like normal is not very likely imo. and your opinions are being based on what???? what you are reading in the newspaper. no one knows except for those who are with the org of what mags future holds b/c of his injury. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted September 12, 2004 Share Posted September 12, 2004 and your opinions are being based on what???? what you are reading in the newspaper. no one knows except for those who are with the org of what mags future holds b/c of his injury. Based on what i read and hear every where this injury is quite serious. You know are luck we sign him he will do well for a couple weeks then get injured for the rest of the year if not longer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted September 12, 2004 Share Posted September 12, 2004 We're really between a rock and a hard place on this one. I'd love the extra draft picks, but I don't like the risk of him resigning if he's as badly hurt as is being speculated. i am with you on this, but i am taking it as a spin control from the sox press. why is be being rumored to being sign by another team if there isn't doubts to the extent of his injury. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted September 12, 2004 Share Posted September 12, 2004 i am with you on this, but i am taking it as a spin control from the sox press. why is be being rumored to being sign by another team if there isn't doubts to the extent of his injury. Because these teams have more money for one and can take bigger risks unlike the sox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted September 12, 2004 Share Posted September 12, 2004 Because these teams have more money for one and can take bigger risks unlike the sox. and if we sign mags and mags accept another teams offer, then we get their pick. what is soooo simple than that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Honda Civic Posted September 12, 2004 Share Posted September 12, 2004 We do have to offer him arbitration to get picks for Maggs... I didn't see anyone answer your question. The way I understand it, maybe Jason or Rex knows it better, is we have to offer arbitration to recieve compensation... we could have recieved compensation for everett last season, but we were in much the same situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted September 12, 2004 Share Posted September 12, 2004 We do have to offer him arbitration to get picks for Maggs... Unless he signs with a team before arbitration has to be offered. If he did that, the Sox would offer arbitration as a formality, but I doubt that will happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 12, 2004 Share Posted September 12, 2004 Unless he signs with a team before arbitration has to be offered. If he did that, the Sox would offer arbitration as a formality, but I doubt that will happen. Well to be technical then we still have to offer arbit to get the picks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Beast Posted September 12, 2004 Share Posted September 12, 2004 I really don't care for draft picks. Half of those guys don't pan out anyways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted September 12, 2004 Share Posted September 12, 2004 I really don't care for draft picks. Half of those guys don't pan out anyways. then how do you suppose a farm and minor leagues gets built Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Socks Posted September 12, 2004 Share Posted September 12, 2004 I really don't care for draft picks. Half of those guys don't pan out anyways. Almost every player in the Bigs was a draft pick. Are you saying you would rather lose Maggs and NOT get a draft pick. Are draft picks something to be avoided? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted September 13, 2004 Share Posted September 13, 2004 I really don't care for draft picks. Half of those guys don't pan out anyways. Well, for starters, you just stated something that never happens. Way more then half of all team's draft picks(that sign) do not pan out, or atleast do not pan out with that team. And second of all...with those extra picks, you can take risks and grab guys you normally wouldn't take, due to their potential unsignability or something that happened to them. Great examples of this are Billy Beane(who, way back in the 80s, had committed to a school...I want to say Stanford, and if I'm wrong, someone correct me...but the Mets drafted him with the 22nd pick or so because it was a compensation pick, and they convinced him to sign...now, he never turned into anything, but according to Moneyball(and that book is VERY biased towards Beane and the A's, so take this FWIW), he was probably the most talented player in that entire field), and another that comes to mind was just this year...with a sandwich pick, we drafted Gio Gonzalez, and if it weren't for our compensation pick and us being able to take a risk, we probably would not have signed him) However, trying to get picks for Maggs would be extremely dumb. The only offer we should make is an offer to resign him(in the $6 mill range), and if he doesn't resign, he's gone, and we get no compensation for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted September 13, 2004 Share Posted September 13, 2004 Couldn't the contract have a cause that he passes the team physical? I thought that was a standard clause. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 13, 2004 Share Posted September 13, 2004 Couldn't the contract have a cause that he passes the team physical? I thought that was a standard clause. Actually a team can void a contract until the player passes a physical, unless that is a part of the contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackie hayes Posted September 13, 2004 Share Posted September 13, 2004 Unless he signs with a team before arbitration has to be offered. If he did that, the Sox would offer arbitration as a formality, but I doubt that will happen. And if we offer arbitration and it's accepted, there's no reason to believe his injury will reduce the arbitrator's decision, right? If so, it's quite possible that he'd get about the same salary that he had this season. But I'm not sure about this. It doesn't seem impossible that Maggs would sign a contract before the arbitration deadline. Suppose you're the Mets, and you're able to sign Maggs to a $9-10 mil/yr contract (perhaps with team or vesting options to limit the risk while escalating the contract), a big savings over Hidalgo. You may be willing to part w/ the picks rather than risk losing him to arbitration. (The Sox, you think, may be willing to offer arbitration, if they have the same health info that you have. Moreover, it's just a 1-year risk for them.) Of course, this only happens if you have reasonable assurance that he's healthy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 13, 2004 Share Posted September 13, 2004 And if we offer arbitration and it's accepted, there's no reason to believe his injury will reduce the arbitrator's decision, right? If so, it's quite possible that he'd get about the same salary that he had this season. But I'm not sure about this. It doesn't seem impossible that Maggs would sign a contract before the arbitration deadline. Suppose you're the Mets, and you're able to sign Maggs to a $9-10 mil/yr contract (perhaps with team or vesting options to limit the risk while escalating the contract), a big savings over Hidalgo. You may be willing to part w/ the picks rather than risk losing him to arbitration. (The Sox, you think, may be willing to offer arbitration, if they have the same health info that you have. Moreover, it's just a 1-year risk for them.) Of course, this only happens if you have reasonable assurance that he's healthy. Anything is fair game in front of the arbitrator. If they have medical evidence that he won't be able to play, they can present it. The problem is those type of sessions get ugly, and can breed lasting hate between player and organization. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted September 13, 2004 Share Posted September 13, 2004 Lost in all this would be the scenario that Maggs truely has a career threatening injury. To have a HoF caliber career cut short would be a terrible thing, on par with Bo Jackson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted September 13, 2004 Share Posted September 13, 2004 Anything is fair game in front of the arbitrator. If they have medical evidence that he won't be able to play, they can present it. The problem is those type of sessions get ugly, and can breed lasting hate between player and organization. look at what was said in this weekend newspaper, scenerio mags may sign a 1 yr contract to prove his worth, but it might not be with the sox. there was more and i forgot the rest. ref to texsox i keep hearing career threatening injury. i thought it might be the knee and yes his career in the outfield may be over, but how bout as a dh??? would that resist his batting? just wondering Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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