Queen Prawn Posted September 14, 2004 Share Posted September 14, 2004 What about a comment about his children or wife???? I guess it would depend on what was said about them. And I'm not going to give an example of an extreme either...cause it could get bad. It's still words. No reason to throw a chair at someone because of words. Maybe women just have cooler heads about these things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 14, 2004 Share Posted September 14, 2004 It's still words. No reason to throw a chair at someone because of words. Maybe women just have cooler heads about these things. OH YEAH?!?!?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted September 14, 2004 Share Posted September 14, 2004 I don't know if Security is the first thing that runs through your mind in that situation. It wouldn't be mine....though i wouldn't throw a chair, i'd probably just have words for the guy...and maybe a gesture or two... Apparently the situation lasted quite a while.. and did start with words. Words are not the problem here.. the chair throwing is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Gleason Posted September 14, 2004 Share Posted September 14, 2004 And according to Yahoo news, security was called a few times. You would think that is these guys were any good at their jobs, they would have started throwing something like...oh...I don't know...BASEBALLS!!! They could have actually HIT the target, and later claimed they were just handing out souveniers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish Posted September 14, 2004 Share Posted September 14, 2004 That's no reason to attack. Call security. If they don't catch the guy/gal, have the home team pay for the stolen item. Are you kidding me? You are going to call security after that? I bet absolutely no one would do that. Your first instint is to chase that rat bastard down. He came after you, took something of yours and ran off with it. Your first instinct is not to call for security, it is to get that ass munch! That is like saying it is ok for someone to take whatever they want from me because I can just call a cop to come and chase him down. That is messed up. The players have a right to stick up for themselves, especially in a case like that. Anyways, I enjoyed reading the page 2 article of all the crazy fan/player incidents. The Jimmy Piersall situation was great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queen Prawn Posted September 14, 2004 Share Posted September 14, 2004 (edited) Are you kidding me? You are going to call security after that? I bet absolutely no one would do that. Your first instint is to chase that rat bastard down. He came after you, took something of yours and ran off with it. Your first instinct is not to call for security, it is to get that ass munch! Must be an Irish male thing. My fiance is just as bad. Yes, my first instinct (and has been in the past) is to get security. Like I said, maybe it's a chick thing to not want to fight, I don't know. Edited September 14, 2004 by Queen Prawn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBlackSox8 Posted September 14, 2004 Share Posted September 14, 2004 The chick's, woman with broken nose, husband says she was just heckling. No cursing just things like " who's going to lose the game" Who's the loser"...etc. Now i doubt that is what was said. Something big had to be said. I don't think it would have gotten that out of hand with just heckling like that. I want to know what's really been said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted September 14, 2004 Share Posted September 14, 2004 God what a f***ing moron. :headshake Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted September 15, 2004 Share Posted September 15, 2004 Are you kidding me? You are going to call security after that? I bet absolutely no one would do that. Your first instint is to chase that rat bastard down. He came after you, took something of yours and ran off with it. Your first instinct is not to call for security, it is to get that ass munch! That is like saying it is ok for someone to take whatever they want from me because I can just call a cop to come and chase him down. That is messed up. The players have a right to stick up for themselves, especially in a case like that. Anyways, I enjoyed reading the page 2 article of all the crazy fan/player incidents. The Jimmy Piersall situation was great. Some humans can actually use their brains to reason out the best course of action to take in a given situation without reacting instictively. No, players do not have the right to violently attack someone that hurls a few words in their direction. Fans that get too beligerant should be escorted out of the stadium. A player should have the right to insist on that occuring. What if that ladies husband was a drunk moron and pulled a gun and fired it in the direction of the mob of Rangers players. Players should NEVER go into the stands or attempt to engage with a fan, unless it is purely an issue of self defense or defense of a teammate or umpire. You've got to use some common sense out there, as there are a lot of crazies in this world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish Posted September 15, 2004 Share Posted September 15, 2004 Some humans can actually use their brains to reason out the best course of action to take in a given situation without reacting instictively. No, players do not have the right to violently attack someone that hurls a few words in their direction. Fans that get too beligerant should be escorted out of the stadium. A player should have the right to insist on that occuring. What if that ladies husband was a drunk moron and pulled a gun and fired it in the direction of the mob of Rangers players. Players should NEVER go into the stands or attempt to engage with a fan, unless it is purely an issue of self defense or defense of a teammate or umpire. You've got to use some common sense out there, as there are a lot of crazies in this world. YASNY, did you actually look at what I was talking about. I could care less about a few words thrown my way. However, if someone touches me in anyway to harm me, comes after me, or takes something from me then I have the right to go after that person. In this instance I was talking about the jamoke that stole kreuter's hat. There is no way Kreuter is going to call for security int hat instance. Your first instinct is to catch the asshole that took what is yours, even if it is a hat that you can easily replace. The only words that I could see being able to set someone off and be able to justify a player attacking a fan is if someone threatend harm to a family member. That is all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish Posted September 15, 2004 Share Posted September 15, 2004 Must be an Irish male thing. My fiance is just as bad. Yes, my first instinct (and has been in the past) is to get security. Like I said, maybe it's a chick thing to not want to fight, I don't know. It is not about fighting, it is about sticking up for yourself, having some character and dignity. It is about getting back what is rightfully yours. It is hardly an Irish thing, but it may be a male thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queen Prawn Posted September 15, 2004 Share Posted September 15, 2004 It is not about fighting, it is about sticking up for yourself, having some character and dignity. It is about getting back what is rightfully yours. It is hardly an Irish thing, but it may be a male thing. I don't know, maybe it is a male thing. I just don't see what dignity there is in kicking someone's ass because they said your team sucks (in much harsher words lol). Like I said, my Brain is exactly the same way so I know where you are coming from, I just don't necessarily agree with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted September 15, 2004 Share Posted September 15, 2004 It is not about fighting, it is about sticking up for yourself, having some character and dignity. It is about getting back what is rightfully yours. It is hardly an Irish thing, but it may be a male thing. IMO, it's a stupid thing. Stoop to the level of the drunk idiot. Yea... lot's of class and dignity in that. It took a lot of balls for him to toss that chair.. oooo.. big man. :rolly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish Posted September 15, 2004 Share Posted September 15, 2004 IMO, it's a stupid thing. Stoop to the level of the drunk idiot. Yea... lot's of class and dignity in that. It took a lot of balls for him to toss that chair.. oooo.. big man. :rolly Steff you and I are talking about 2 completely different things. Please look back, I am in no way defending the Texas incident at all or what Frank Francisco did. He is a complete moron for what he did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted September 15, 2004 Share Posted September 15, 2004 Steff you and I are talking about 2 completely different things. Please look back, I am in no way defending the Texas incident at all or what Frank Francisco did. He is a complete moron for what he did. No we're not. I'm talking about the chair incident. I'm pretty sure I was specific in my post. Obviously, I incorrectly quoted you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish Posted September 15, 2004 Share Posted September 15, 2004 Now we're not. I'm talking about the chair incident. I'm pretty sure I was specific in my post. Obviously, I incorrectly quoted you. OK then we were. I was not talking about the chair incident. By incorrectly quoting me you made yourself unclear. I would not have responded to your post if it did not quote me as if I was arguing against your point. Its ok though. No harm no foul. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queen Prawn Posted September 15, 2004 Share Posted September 15, 2004 In that case, are we talking about the same thing Irish? I was against the chair throwing/getting into a fight thing. Hell, I would handle it the same way I handle getting cut off (daily) on the Tri-State (I-294) - give 'em the bird and if I end up next them one way say, "Nice turn signal, asshole!" LOL! hehe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish Posted September 15, 2004 Share Posted September 15, 2004 I don't know, maybe it is a male thing. I just don't see what dignity there is in kicking someone's ass because they said your team sucks (in much harsher words lol). Like I said, my Brain is exactly the same way so I know where you are coming from, I just don't necessarily agree with it. I was not talking about kicking someone's ass because they happen to say you suck. I am talking about running after someone and kicking their ass and taking your hat back because they came down and stole it off your head. Stick up for yourself if some one takes your hat off your head. By allowing that and calling for security you look like a little sissy boy waiting for your mommy and daddy to come down and protect you. Stand up for yourself and protect yourself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queen Prawn Posted September 15, 2004 Share Posted September 15, 2004 I was not talking about kicking someone's ass because they happen to say you suck. I am talking about running after someone and kicking their ass and taking your hat back because they came down and stole it off your head. Stick up for yourself if some one takes your hat off your head. By allowing that and calling for security you look like a little sissy boy waiting for your mommy and daddy to come down and protect you. Stand up for yourself and protect yourself. Lol - I guess we were talking about two different things then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish Posted September 15, 2004 Share Posted September 15, 2004 In that case, are we talking about the same thing Irish? I was against the chair throwing/getting into a fight thing. Hell, I would handle it the same way I handle getting cut off (daily) on the Tri-State (I-294) - give 'em the bird and if I end up next them one way say, "Nice turn signal, asshole!" LOL! hehe Now you completely lost me. What the hell are you talking about now? Like I said, I could care less what someone says unless they are threatening harm to my family. I am in no way defending what this guy Fransisco did. He was way out of line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish Posted September 15, 2004 Share Posted September 15, 2004 Lol - I guess we were talking about two different things then. QUOTE (southsideirish @ Sep 14 2004, 12:41 PM) What if someone takes your hat off your head and runs up the stairs with it. Then can a player attack that fan? QUOTE (Queen Prawn @ Sep 15 2004, 06:45 PM) That's no reason to attack. Call security. If they don't catch the guy/gal, have the home team pay for the stolen item. This post has been edited by Queen Prawn on Sep 14 2004, 05:50 PM That is where it all started, how did it get off track? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babybearhater Posted September 15, 2004 Share Posted September 15, 2004 What about a comment about his children or wife???? I guess it would depend on what was said about them. And I'm not going to give an example of an extreme either...cause it could get bad. doesnt matter, if you are prepared to reap the benefits of being a sports figure-money, cars women, drugs whatever, then you have to be prepared to take on the negatives--fans, press whatever Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish Posted September 15, 2004 Share Posted September 15, 2004 doesnt matter, if you are prepared to reap the benefits of being a sports figure-money, cars women, drugs whatever, then you have to be prepared to take on the negatives--fans, press whatever You can't be serious. If someone threatens a member of your family with rape or murder or any other type of bodily harm then how can you not get upset about that? If some psycho fan ever does threaten a player to raper or murder a family member then that player has the right to do whatever he feels necessary. How do you know if the fan should be taken seriously or not? There are a lot of psychos out there. A player has all his private information thrown around all over the place for psycho fans to find and do what they wish. You seriously think that reaping the benefits of being in the spotlight should also come with these types of negatives? If so then something seriously has to be done about how close fans get to players and how they are able to interact with them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxfan420 Posted September 16, 2004 Share Posted September 16, 2004 I don't care if a fan calls you any racial epithet, there's no excuse for throwing a f***ing chair into the stands. 20 games, at least. im not taking his side in any way but if this was going on the whole game and the a's security didnt do anything then something should have been done, everyone has there breaking point 2 hours of listening to racial slurs would do it to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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