soxfan420 Posted September 17, 2004 Share Posted September 17, 2004 his lineups are so f***ed up Gload LF Timo RF LEE DH Valentine SS what we need is uribe/valdez SS LEE LF Borchard RF Valentine Bench Gload DH is not at 1b he is horrible in the of Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted September 17, 2004 Share Posted September 17, 2004 100 percent agree with you. Ozzie has been playing his favorites way too long. Borchard needs to play everyday, simple as can be. There's no reason not to let Uribe get a lot of reps at SS to see if he can play there next year. This organization is clueless, no other way to describe it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Beast Posted September 17, 2004 Share Posted September 17, 2004 The season means NOTHING anymore, so who cares? But I agree of why he isn't playing young guys. I'm hoping he's trying to pad stats, or give some guys who suck (Valentin and Crede) playing time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted September 17, 2004 Share Posted September 17, 2004 The season means NOTHING anymore, so who cares? But I agree of why he isn't playing young guys. I'm hoping he's trying to pad stats, or give some guys who suck (Valentin and Crede) playing time. Exactly, the season means nothing! That's why you let your young players get some experience. Who's to say that Borchard doesnt hit 5 homers the rest of the way, and his trade value goes up? There's nothing to gain by playing Timo, Valentin, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxfan420 Posted September 17, 2004 Author Share Posted September 17, 2004 the line up should be 2b harris lf Lee 1b konerko CF rowand DH gload SS uribe/valdez C davis/Burke 3b crede/uribe RF borchard there should be no reason for anyone else to play with everet hurt, alomar hurt we need to see what this group can do for next year not seeing valentine waste experince, and players playing in spots they dont belong gload OF Valdez 2b etc. The season is over i can admit that now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LetsTalkSox Posted September 17, 2004 Share Posted September 17, 2004 I could not agree with you guys more. You're correct Gload should never be in the outfield. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted September 17, 2004 Share Posted September 17, 2004 I just have to ask, when is Ozzie going to start to be blamed for this disaster of a season? This team flat out quit on him a long time ago it seems like, and Ozzie made no changes at all at the proper time to make this team better. He didnt have the balls to replace Koch when he should have, and ended up letting the Sox blow 2 more games before he made the change. I have no confidence in Ozzie being able to successfully manage this team in the future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santo=dorf Posted September 17, 2004 Share Posted September 17, 2004 No seriously, who is Valentine? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxfan420 Posted September 17, 2004 Author Share Posted September 17, 2004 when is the last experienced head coach the sox have hired??? they need to stop going after bench coaches and 3b coaches, i wish we could get sholwalter or someone with some fire in there belly that has excperience in head coaching, wally is still would have been my choice for manager since he did coach most these guys in the minors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santo=dorf Posted September 17, 2004 Share Posted September 17, 2004 wally is still would have been my choice for manager since he did coach most these guys in the minors. I thought these guys hated playing under Backman. And why would you want someone who was looking forward to seeing us "get our asses kicked" near the end of a pennant chase to our divison leader? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxfan420 Posted September 17, 2004 Author Share Posted September 17, 2004 I thought these guys hated playing under Backman. And why would you want someone who was looking forward to seeing us "get our asses kicked" near the end of a pennant chase to our divison leader? i still dont belive that one bit. do you really belive that it would get leaked out if he did say it come on yea the twins manger are friends with him from the past but how would it get leaked out(from a private conversation between the two) FYI players dont have to like the manager, they do have to respect him though. when they are buddy buddy with a manager you get favortism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted September 17, 2004 Share Posted September 17, 2004 Backman is a great manager. The players liked playing for him and played hard. Unfortunately, he wanted the job a little too badly and alienated some people along the way last year. I don't buy that story that came out of Minnesota, but I do know that Wally was led to believe he would get the Sox job and he talked about it. All that said, don't be surprised if he is managing the Arizona Diamondbacks next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted September 17, 2004 Share Posted September 17, 2004 the line up should be 2b harris lf Lee 1b konerko CF rowand DH gload SS uribe/valdez C davis/Burke 3b crede/uribe RF borchard there should be no reason for anyone else to play with everet hurt, alomar hurt we need to see what this group can do for next year not seeing valentine waste experince, and players playing in spots they dont belong gload OF Valdez 2b etc. The season is over i can admit that now. Harris Rowand Lee Konerko Gload Uribe Davis-Burke Crede Borchard with Valdez playing about 10 games or so down the stretch. Rowand's not a cleanup hitter, and Lee is better suited elsewhere in the lineup. While we're at it...shutdown Garcia for the season and let him rest his arm, and put Diaz in there too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Honda Civic Posted September 17, 2004 Share Posted September 17, 2004 the line up should be 2b harris lf Lee 1b konerko CF rowand DH gload SS uribe/valdez C davis/Burke 3b crede/uribe RF borchard there should be no reason for anyone else to play with everet hurt, alomar hurt we need to see what this group can do for next year not seeing valentine waste experince, and players playing in spots they dont belong gload OF Valdez 2b etc. The season is over i can admit that now. Agree completely... The only defense I can give Ozzie is that Carlos is hurting a little bit, so he's trying to give him some time off from teh hard turf in Minny by putting him at DH today. But Timo should never see the Line-up and Gload should only be used in the OF in emergencies. Oh and Backman would have been a much better choice for this team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilliamTell Posted September 17, 2004 Share Posted September 17, 2004 Yeah, Ozzie has give up lineups. His attitude has changed a lot since the beginning of the year. I guess it's understandable though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3E8 Posted September 17, 2004 Share Posted September 17, 2004 Keep this in mind: OZZIE MANAGING A MAJOR LEAGUE TEAM IS A f***ING JOKE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilliamTell Posted September 17, 2004 Share Posted September 17, 2004 Where's Cito Gaston now? I kinda would have liked to see how he did with this team. I don't think Ozzie has done a terrible job though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxfan420 Posted September 17, 2004 Author Share Posted September 17, 2004 Harris Rowand Lee Konerko Gload Uribe Davis-Burke Crede Borchard with Valdez playing about 10 games or so down the stretch. Rowand's not a cleanup hitter, and Lee is better suited elsewhere in the lineup. While we're at it...shutdown Garcia for the season and let him rest his arm, and put Diaz in there too. that wasnt my batting order. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted September 17, 2004 Share Posted September 17, 2004 Yes. Ozzie's a joke as manager. He's only been wearing a major league uniform since 1985 and knows nothing about the game. We all are much better at putting together a lineup and we all know when to s*** can somebody be they are going to blow 2 saves. So on and so forth, blah blah blah .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Critic Posted September 17, 2004 Share Posted September 17, 2004 Since all hope is lost, why not this lineup: SS Valdez CF Rowand 1B Lee ( to see if he can play there if PK is dealt ) DH Konerko LF Gload/Timo 3B Uribe C Davis/Burke RF Borchard 2B Harris See what Valdez can do up top, let Gload and Timo stumble around LF, let PK rest his AILING HIP, give Uribe the rest of the playing time at 3rd and SIT CREDE, and keep Borchard and Harris low in the order where they belong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 17, 2004 Share Posted September 17, 2004 Since all hope is lost, why not this lineup: SS Valdez CF Rowand 1B Lee ( to see if he can play there if PK is dealt ) DH Konerko LF Gload/Timo 3B Uribe C Davis/Burke RF Borchard 2B Harris See what Valdez can do up top, let Gload and Timo stumble around LF, let PK rest his AILING HIP, give Uribe the rest of the playing time at 3rd and SIT CREDE, and keep Borchard and Harris low in the order where they belong. I see one thing I would change and that is get Valdez hitting 2nd. Either his future is in the 8th spot or 2 spot since he doesn't believe in taking walks. We need to see if he can handle the bat good enough to be a two hitter, if not we know he is a bottom of the order guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queen Prawn Posted September 17, 2004 Share Posted September 17, 2004 Is Ozzie filling out the card this way to prove who he doesn't want on the team next year? It's the only thing I could come up to explain those lineups... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yossarian Posted September 17, 2004 Share Posted September 17, 2004 People critique their friends, neighbors, bosses, politicians, that new restaurant in town and MLB managers among other things. It's just part of life. Some folks have very informed opinions and others don't. As far as Ozzie goes he's opened himself up to a ton of criticism IMHO. Supposedly he wants to play an entirely different brand of baseball and he has the ear of GM Kenny Williams. If he gets his wish then we'll see for sure if he can manage. I do know this. He has shown an extreme case of foot in mouth itis, his on field moves often leave you scratching your head, and just like Manuel last year this team QUIT on him. This year has not been a raging success for Ozzie to say the least. It's still too early to say that he is a total bust as a manager but if 2004 is any indication then he certainly will be. As for me, I think that the Reinsdorf era has given us only two above average managers and none since Jeff Torborg. JR wants to win. I believe he does or at least thinks he does. Nevertheless, come hell or high water he's going to do it his way! His way does not include going top drawer for managers or GMs. Loyalty, predictability, control and keeping costs low are more important. Kind of hard to win that way don't you think? In any case, Ozzie has just about convinced me that he fits in with Lamont, Bevington, Manuel, etc. About some of these lineups offered here. When will people finally see enough of Joe Borchard to know that he is not a ball player? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
israel4ever Posted September 17, 2004 Share Posted September 17, 2004 Anybody else notice that Sporting News has chosen Wally Backman as it's Minor League manager of the Year? He should have been the Sox manager! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wong & Owens Posted September 17, 2004 Share Posted September 17, 2004 It should be obvious now that since this group of players has underachieved, shown a complete lack of fundamentals, played heartless baseball, gotten humiliated by a team with less talent, repeatedly choked in pressure situations, etc. under TWO DIFFERENT managers, the problem AIN'T the manager. Regardless of who that happens to be. The problem is the players, and many of them need to be shown the door. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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