DBAHO Posted September 22, 2004 Share Posted September 22, 2004 Now the only free agent closers on the market this off-season will be Armando Benitez who will snapped up quickly, Bob Wickman, and possibly Ugueth Urbina if the Tiggies don't pick up his option. Shawn Chacon could make $3 mill in arbitration next season. But he has a 1-9 record with a 6.68 ERA. He made the NL All Star team last season as a starter, and he has 34 saves this year. With the payroll limitations the Rockies have, Chacon could easily be had for the right price, a young pitcher or prospect most likely. Would you trade for him and pay him $3 mill though? Now there's this on Julio, The Orioles face a difficult call on embattled closer Jorge Julio, whose 82 saves over his first three seasons will give him a strong case entering his first year of arbitration. Dodgers closer Eric Gagne is earning $5 million this season after entering his first year of arbitration with 107 saves. If the Orioles make LHP B.J. Ryan their closer, Julio will be overpaid as a setup man. Trading Julio might be the best solution. ... KW has said improving the bullpen will be a big priority this off-season. Cotts and Adkins will have increased roles with Shingo surely coming back for $2.5 million. How would having a power closer with Shingo in the 8th look though? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
He_Gawn Posted September 22, 2004 Share Posted September 22, 2004 Yea that will make Shing 10x's more dominant, and also make the closer look like Gagne. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beck72 Posted September 22, 2004 Share Posted September 22, 2004 I think Shingo will be back in set up, and used as insurance if the closer gets hurt or fails. the key is getting a proven 9th inning guy, or moving someone from set up to closer, ala Dotel, Nathan, Lidge, etc. I haven't checked on either guy. But it's good to start looking. Seeing as Benitez and Felix Rodriguez are the only FA's out there [Percival has reportedly gotten back to 95-96 mph and could come cheaper], a trade will likely help the Sox bullpen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santo=dorf Posted September 22, 2004 Share Posted September 22, 2004 Chacon f***ing sucks. Who cares how many saves he has because he walks the bases loaded everytime he comes out there. I remember hearing that the Rockies were going to put him back into the rotation next year because of his struggles as the closer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshPR Posted September 22, 2004 Share Posted September 22, 2004 Now the only free agent closers on the market this off-season will be Armando Benitez who will snapped up quickly, Bob Wickman, and possibly Ugueth Urbina if the Tiggies don't pick up his option. Shawn Chacon could make $3 mill in arbitration next season. But he has a 1-9 record with a 6.68 ERA. He made the NL All Star team last season as a starter, and he has 34 saves this year. With the payroll limitations the Rockies have, Chacon could easily be had for the right price, a young pitcher or prospect most likely. Would you trade for him and pay him $3 mill though? Now there's this on Julio, KW has said improving the bullpen will be a big priority this off-season. Cotts and Adkins will have increased roles with Shingo surely coming back for $2.5 million. How would having a power closer with Shingo in the 8th look though? I would take Julio not Chacon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSteve Posted September 22, 2004 Share Posted September 22, 2004 I'd like Percival. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshPR Posted September 22, 2004 Share Posted September 22, 2004 Could be..... Percival = Koch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thedoctor Posted September 22, 2004 Share Posted September 22, 2004 well, ron gardenhire hates jorge julio so i say go get him. julio would have stuck it in torii hunter's ear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshPR Posted September 22, 2004 Share Posted September 22, 2004 well, ron gardenhire hates jorge julio so i say go get him. julio would have stuck it in torii hunter's ear. I like Julio We need a guy to intimitade in the ninth inning with those 98 MPH heaters Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxman352000 Posted September 22, 2004 Share Posted September 22, 2004 Chacon f***ing sucks. Nuff said. I don't want his ass pitching at the Cell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodAsGould Posted September 22, 2004 Share Posted September 22, 2004 chacon has a high era but i dont think he has blown that many saves and you know even though we in a hitters park 2... it isnt the same as pitching in colorado...look what it did to jason jennings Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted September 22, 2004 Share Posted September 22, 2004 chacon has a high era but i dont think he has blown that many saves and you know even though we in a hitters park 2... it isnt the same as pitching in colorado...look what it did to jason jennings He has blown 9 saves. That is alot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santo=dorf Posted September 23, 2004 Share Posted September 23, 2004 chacon has a high era but i dont think he has blown that many saves and you know even though we in a hitters park 2... it isnt the same as pitching in colorado...look what it did to jason jennings HOME: 8.31 ERA, 17/22 (SV/OP,) 2.11 WHIP. 27 K's, 27 BB's. AWAY: 5.12 ERA, 17/21 (SV/OP,) 1.64 WHIP, 23 K's, 20 BB's. THOSE NUMBERS ARE f***ING ATROCIOUS! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted September 23, 2004 Share Posted September 23, 2004 Let me add that Julio and Chacon both seem like assholes also. Julio has a history of throwing at players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
He_Gawn Posted September 23, 2004 Share Posted September 23, 2004 Let me add that Julio and Chacon both seem like assholes also. Julio has a history of throwing at players. What the hell is wrong with that? We dont want pussy pitches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted September 23, 2004 Share Posted September 23, 2004 What the hell is wrong with that? We dont want pussy pitches. That is exactly what we need an intimidator that can hit the high 90's followed by shingo or vice versa. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted September 23, 2004 Share Posted September 23, 2004 Anyone on here know how highly the Pirates regard Salomon Torres? He has been lights out this year, and I think he could be a kind of guy that could come somewhat cheaply and potentially even become a closer with us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted September 23, 2004 Share Posted September 23, 2004 Anyone on here know how highly the Pirates regard Salomon Torres? He has been lights out this year, and I think he could be a kind of guy that could come somewhat cheaply and potentially even become a closer with us. I would like someone much more proven than a career era of 4.84. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted September 23, 2004 Share Posted September 23, 2004 I'll pass on Torres for one reason. He's lost two games to the Cubs in the last 2 weeks. If you can't find a way to strike out C. Patterson, then you're not that good, IMO. As we speak, the two dicks in the Cubs booth, Chip and Stone, are ripping on Torres for being a skinnier Antonio Alfonseca. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted September 23, 2004 Share Posted September 23, 2004 It was honestly just a suggestion. He has pretty good stuff and has some very solid numbers this year, and what I didn't look at before that I did look at after I made my post is that he's 32...so he's not like some top prospect. And I think we all still owe him for hitting Sosa. That was beautiful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted September 23, 2004 Share Posted September 23, 2004 Yeah, I wonder why more teams don't brush back Sosa more considering how much the hbp messed him up afterwards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted September 23, 2004 Share Posted September 23, 2004 Now the only free agent closers on the market this off-season will be Armando Benitez who will snapped up quickly, Bob Wickman, and possibly Ugueth Urbina if the Tiggies don't pick up his option. Shawn Chacon could make $3 mill in arbitration next season. But he has a 1-9 record with a 6.68 ERA. He made the NL All Star team last season as a starter, and he has 34 saves this year. With the payroll limitations the Rockies have, Chacon could easily be had for the right price, a young pitcher or prospect most likely. Would you trade for him and pay him $3 mill though? Now there's this on Julio, KW has said improving the bullpen will be a big priority this off-season. Cotts and Adkins will have increased roles with Shingo surely coming back for $2.5 million. How would having a power closer with Shingo in the 8th look though? Chacon with an ERA near 7? You want a closer not gasoline alley. Julio is a maybe though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilMonkey Posted September 24, 2004 Share Posted September 24, 2004 While Julio wouldn't take any crap from the Twins, he sucks! I have him on my fantasy team, and while I don't know the exact number of blown saves, it seems to me like he has blown alot. And I mean those .2 IP, 3 walks, 5 runs kind-of innings. Between him and Urbina, my closer ERA has been going sky high. I know he has blown like 4 saves in just september. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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