Iraqi welcome for US troops

[Chisoxfn]

I have not said that doublem. All I say is that they need to do it without breaking the law and throwing glass at officers as well as rhubar (The Metal building type piece). They also threw stuff into incoming traffic. Ya, thats real safe, make a drive swerve and cause an accident.

 

Like I say, just stay on the sidewalk and off the street and don't cause damage. Thats all that is needed.

[soxfan420]

think of the minutes your way cost those victims face it you are wrong sorry mm

What victims? All anyone can come up with are little hypotheticals as to why a bunch of pissed off people shouldn't be allowed to march in a street? Sorry, I don't see the argument. I figure most of it is just because no one likes to see anti-war rallies because obviously all us pacifists are Satan Incarnate and have nothing better to do with our time than to plot schemes to destroy America from the inside.

 

Freedom of speech is mean to be expressed, not just appreciated. What can I say? We all feel sorry for the poor old guy who unfortunately had a hypothetical heart attack and lives on Lake Shore Drive but we're going to send thousands of young Americans and innocent Iraqis to their graves.

i doubt many soilders will die over there i would say under 1,000 but look how many lives we are improving/saving in iraq it is a sacrifce this country gives to give everyone equal rights.

 

Im not saying you cant protest just the manner you do it in is extremly hypocrticle

[CubKilla]

Im not saying you cant protest just the manner you do it in is extremly hypocrticle

Keep on preachin' on 420

[doubleM23]

Well there's the rub... If you want any attention you got to go out there and do something worthy of it... Rioting, blowing s*** up, and what not isn't good... Stopping a street, well, that's fine with me.

[soxfan420]

Well there's the rub... If you want any attention you got to go out there and do something worthy of it...  Rioting, blowing s*** up, and what not isn't good...  Stopping a street, well, that's fine with me.

and what gives you the right to take 1 hour- 2 hours of some million people of so just because you dont care about inocent people dieing?

[CubKilla]

Well there's the rub... If you want any attention you got to go out there and do something worthy of it...    Stopping a street, well, that's fine with me.

No you don't. Some 70-80% of Americans support this war. If you are the organizer of a protest..... organize. Call the local media and tell them that 10,000+ anti-war protestors are going to protest the war in Grant Park. Notify City Hall and inform them of YOUR LEGAL RIGHT TO ASSEMBLE, along with the expected number, so that police and fire can adequately supply personnel to SAFELY AND PEACEFULLY protect your rights so that you and others can state your anti-war feelings. Trust me, when 10,000+ people show up, the number reported by the Chicago media last night, the media WILL SHOW UP TO DOCUMENT THE FOOTAGE.

 

BTW..... 100 more hypocrites arrested in SF today

[soxfan420]

Im not saying you cant protest just the manner you do it in is extremly hypocrticle

Keep on preachin' on 420

i should have takin a debate class in school. its fun when i get to pick what i debate about

[baggio202]

but we're going to send thousands of young Americans and innocent Iraqis to their graves.

have you been watching the war???...thousands on each side????

 

atleast thats down from , what was it the anti- war crowd was saying??..oh yeah , the genocide of 5 million iraqi children

[cwsox]

The poll results do not show that "70-80%" of Americans support the war. I'd be very careful of citing exactly what is being supported. I enclose a news article from the NYTimes. And I would suggest that a 62% poll is quite low for a rally around the flag moment.

 

Second, if 70-80% did support the action it wouldn't by that alone make it right or moral.

 

Third, the Congress is right now ramming through tax cuts and budgets with record deficits that yet do not include the cost of this war. We are looking at a $500 billion to $1 trillion annual deficit. I'd like to hear some rational explanation of not only how the American economy is to to absorb this, but as well, what does it mean to support something that at the exact same moment no one seemingly wants to pay for.

 

Fourth, Turkey has now moved troops in Kurdish territory. Ramifications of this are very numerous. In the general glee that predominates here, this can be dismissed but in reality it has potential for the greatest possible harm to everything that has been claimed in terms of "liberation" and short of going to war with Turkey, given the dismissiveness towards the UN, there will no way to force them out. One more sign of the diasterous diplomacy of the curent administration which the pinball images on tv have distracted so many from.

 

And finally, tonight it was announced that 7,000 military sites in Iraq will be bombed in the next few hours. Think about that. Are there 7,000 military sites in Iraq? What is included in that number: power stations, water and sewage treatment plants, food storage areas. You do not have to bomb a hospital to shut it down, friends. Oh yes we will rebuild it (but who is paying with the huge deficits - which of you will support raising taxes let alone stopping tax cuts so all of these glorious things you promsie may be paid for?) but in the meantime people will suffer and die. Take away water, take away power, and the spead of disease and death will run unhindered.

 

And an addition finally: this is like cheering with a big lead in the top of the 2nd. Oh yes we have great tv video clips. This hasn't played out yet in any form. And we prepared for the response. It took a small number of crazed terrorists who avoided all the sophisticated technology to take revenge on September 11th for things they felt aggrieved for from 10 years prior.

 

And in less than two years we have alienated a large part of the world that was all with us after September 11th. Dismiss it as you will. Who cares. But this nation is what, 6% of the world's population? The mail that I am getting from overseas is not good news for anyone who thinks a Pax Americana is on the horizon. There were other ways. There were other ways. This adminsitartion backed itself into a corner. You all may celebrate but tonight I am crying because in the last week the future of everything that means peace and security for this nation which I love, and for the world, is threatened to new and unparalleled degrees. And in the past months we have lost a lot of friends with heavy handed tactics.

 

The lust of the young for war and blood and victory can be so high. You have yet begun to pay the prices for what has been done.

 

 

 

 

 

Most Americans Support Iraq Action, Poll Finds

By MARJORIE CONNELLY

 

Most Americans approve of the military action the United States initiated against Iraq, but they think the outbreak of the conflict has increased the threat of terrorism against Americans, according to the latest New York Times/CBS News poll. Americans greeted the start of the war with more concern than relief and were divided on whether the opening salvos against Iraq matched their expectations.

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A majority — 62 percent — of the adults surveyed on Thursday night think the United States was right in starting military action, while 35 percent said the United Nations and the weapons inspectors should have been given more time.

 

In 1991, the outbreak of war against Iraq received a higher level of support from Americans. In the Times/CBS News poll taken the day after the bombing began in January 1991, 79 percent said the United States was correct in starting military action and only 16 percent felt it would have been better to wait to see if the trade embargo worked.

 

In the latest Times/CBS News poll, 59 percent said the onset of hostilities has increased the threat of terrorism against the United States and only 8 percent thought the risk has decreased. But, according to a CNN/USA Today/Gallup poll, also conducted last night, 65 percent of Americans do not "personally feel any sense of danger from terrorist acts."

 

Regardless of the lack of fear for their personal safety, most Americans reacted to the war with worry rather than relief. Just over half, 54 percent, said they felt more worried when they heard the news, while 34 percent were relieved.

 

The CNN/USA Today/Gallup poll asked the public whether they experienced a series of emotions on hearing the news that the United States was going to war. In response, 83 percent said they felt confident; 65 percent felt proud; 63 percent reacted with sadness; 56 percent were worried; and 34 percent were afraid.

 

Americans were divided on whether the beginning of hostilities against Iraq matched their expectations of the start of the war. In the Times/CBS News poll, 49 percent said it started much as they expected and 44 percent thought it would have begun differently.

[CubKilla]

Most Americans Support Iraq Action, Poll Finds

By MARJORIE CONNELLY

 

Most Americans approve of the military action the United States initiated against Iraq, but they think the outbreak of the conflict has increased the threat of terrorism against Americans, according to the latest New York Times/CBS News poll. Americans greeted the start of the war with more concern than relief and were divided on whether the opening salvos against Iraq matched their expectations.

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A majority — 62 percent — of the adults surveyed on Thursday night think the United States was right in starting military action, while 35 percent said the United Nations and the weapons inspectors should have been given more time.

 

In 1991, the outbreak of war against Iraq received a higher level of support from Americans. In the Times/CBS News poll taken the day after the bombing began in January 1991, 79 percent said the United States was correct in starting military action and only 16 percent felt it would have been better to wait to see if the trade embargo worked.

 

In the latest Times/CBS News poll, 59 percent said the onset of hostilities has increased the threat of terrorism against the United States and only 8 percent thought the risk has decreased. But, according to a CNN/USA Today/Gallup poll, also conducted last night, 65 percent of Americans do not "personally feel any sense of danger from terrorist acts."

 

Regardless of the lack of fear for their personal safety, most Americans reacted to the war with worry rather than relief. Just over half, 54 percent, said they felt more worried when they heard the news, while 34 percent were relieved.

 

The CNN/USA Today/Gallup poll asked the public whether they experienced a series of emotions on hearing the news that the United States was going to war. In response, 83 percent said they felt confident; 65 percent felt proud; 63 percent reacted with sadness; 56 percent were worried; and 34 percent were afraid.

 

Americans were divided on whether the beginning of hostilities against Iraq matched their expectations of the start of the war. In the Times/CBS News poll, 49 percent said it started much as they expected and 44 percent thought it would have begun differently.

Funny that article doesn't reflect the, I believe, 72% of Americans that supported military action last night as reported by CNN on this same poll which Ms. Connelly is citing. The 72% was so high it even surprised myself.

[cwsox]

Maybe CNN got it wrong - or maybe reported on a question not included in this article, such as "do you support the troops" or something such that the numbers would run higher than the question posed in this article.

 

These polls are always snap shots of a moment and it does matter what the question actually is. Even "do you support the president at this time" will/may yield a very different result than "do you support the president taking military action" vs "do you support the president taking military action without UN approval" vs "do you support the president taking military action if casualties number in the 1,000s"

 

So whether some reporter who is filling air time gets the grasp of the question exactly right, who knows. And these numbers may be all over the place on any given day right now.

 

And it should be cold comfort the G W H Bush rode a 91% approval rating at one point and then mustered 39% of the vote.

 

If someone is doing continual tracking polls with fair questions over abse of time, I am not aware. I woudlbe a s curious as you what those numbers would be. I suspect that we both know where the majority will li at this raly around the flag moment. The extent to which it rises is the number I am looking at. This poll at 62% suggests not very highly and a nation deeply divided. And that nation if deeply divided - been there, done that in the 60s - I had hoped never to see those days again. And I think they are here. Not good for you, or me, or our country.

[Heads22]

I thought it was H W.

[CubKilla]

Maybe CNN got it wrong - or maybe reported on a question not included in this article, such as "do you support the troops" or something such that the numbers would run higher than the question posed in this article.

 

These polls are always snap shots of a moment and it does matter what the question actually is.  Even "do you support the president at this time" will/may yield a very different result than "do you support the president taking military action" vs "do you support the president taking military action without UN approval" vs "do you support the president taking military action if casualties number in the 1,000s"

 

So whether some reporter who is filling air time gets the grasp of the question exactly right, who knows.  And these numbers may be all over the place on any given day right now.

 

And it should be cold comfort the G W H Bush rode a 91% approval rating at one point and then mustered 39% of the vote.

 

If someone is doing continual tracking polls with fair questions over  abse of time, I am not aware.  I woudlbe a s curious as you what those numbers would be.  I suspect that we both know where the majority will li at this raly around the flag moment.  The extent to which it rises is the number I am looking at.  This poll at 62% suggests not very highly and a nation deeply divided.  And that nation if deeply divided - been there, done that in the 60s - I had hoped never to see those days again.  And I think they are here.  Not good for you, or me, or our country.

Numbers are just that..... although I did admit that even I was surprised at what CNN reported

[Chisoxfn]

Most Americans Support Iraq Action, Poll Finds

By MARJORIE CONNELLY

 

Most Americans approve of the military action the United States initiated against Iraq, but they think the outbreak of the conflict has increased the threat of terrorism against Americans, according to the latest New York Times/CBS News poll. Americans greeted the start of the war with more concern than relief and were divided on whether the opening salvos against Iraq matched their expectations.

Advertisement

 

 

 

A majority — 62 percent — of the adults surveyed on Thursday night think the United States was right in starting military action, while 35 percent said the United Nations and the weapons inspectors should have been given more time.

 

In 1991, the outbreak of war against Iraq received a higher level of support from Americans. In the Times/CBS News poll taken the day after the bombing began in January 1991, 79 percent said the United States was correct in starting military action and only 16 percent felt it would have been better to wait to see if the trade embargo worked.

 

In the latest Times/CBS News poll, 59 percent said the onset of hostilities has increased the threat of terrorism against the United States and only 8 percent thought the risk has decreased. But, according to a CNN/USA Today/Gallup poll, also conducted last night, 65 percent of Americans do not "personally feel any sense of danger from terrorist acts."

 

Regardless of the lack of fear for their personal safety, most Americans reacted to the war with worry rather than relief. Just over half, 54 percent, said they felt more worried when they heard the news, while 34 percent were relieved.

 

The CNN/USA Today/Gallup poll asked the public whether they experienced a series of emotions on hearing the news that the United States was going to war. In response, 83 percent said they felt confident; 65 percent felt proud; 63 percent reacted with sadness; 56 percent were worried; and 34 percent were afraid.

 

Americans were divided on whether the beginning of hostilities against Iraq matched their expectations of the start of the war. In the Times/CBS News poll, 49 percent said it started much as they expected and 44 percent thought it would have begun differently.

Funny that article doesn't reflect the, I believe, 72% of Americans that supported military action last night as reported by CNN on this same poll which Ms. Connelly is citing. The 72% was so high it even surprised myself.

I knew someone else would of noticed that. And CNN is a typically more liberal station.

[LowerCaseRepublican]

I knew someone else would of noticed that.  And CNN is a typically more liberal station.

Faux News is horrid. After MSNBC's internal documents got leaked out that they fired Donahue for not having as many pro-Bush and pro-war people on while the other stations were being blinded by nationalistic fascism (yes that was the official reason...he wasn't kissing Bush's ass enough, so they cancelled the show) I can't trust MSNBC anymore. (Also the fact that NBC is owned by General Electric...one of the largest arms manufacturers and because of that they get editorial rights over the news. So of course their news is going to be "Rah Rah Don't our US weapons always work!" (yes because GE designed them )

I can't trust CNN after the '99 globalization protests in Seattle when they claimed that the police were being civil and that rubber bullets were not being fired at protesters, etc. The Independent Media Center then put up video from earlier in the day showing the police being violent with PEACEFUL (at the time) protesters and firing rubber bullets. Less than 15 minutes after that video hit the internet, CNN had to come on and admit they lied and said that bullets were indeed fired.

 

The news in this country sucks ass. The Guardian is the way to go www.guardian.co.uk

[Soxplosion]

Now that these people have started celebrating, we must take out Saddam, we cant quit. If we quit that tyrant will kill these people. Weve passed the point of no return. In 1991 Iraqis started celebrating and Saddam massacred em after we left. That cant happen again...