Butter Parque Posted September 23, 2004 Share Posted September 23, 2004 I chose Jeter over Bonds, because no one, in my opinion can do what Jeter has done and what Jeter always does. He's the most clutch and most valuable player on the best team in baseball. That play against Oakland summarizes his whole career. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted September 23, 2004 Share Posted September 23, 2004 Pujols because he can play multiple positions and is only 24. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted September 23, 2004 Share Posted September 23, 2004 I chose Jeter over Bonds, because no one, in my opinion can do what Jeter has done and what Jeter always does. He's the most clutch and most valuable player on the best team in baseball. That play against Oakland summarizes his whole career. No frickken way, he's been real clutch throughout his career, but if you think he's more valuable then bonds your nuts, without bonds the giants are right there with the dbacks this year. Either way if I'm starting a franchise I'm taking santana. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted September 23, 2004 Share Posted September 23, 2004 If you put Jeter on the Sox this year, they'd finish 5 games behind the Twins. However, if the Sox had Bonds on the team, they would likely compete for the division title. If I could choose from any of these players, I think the Sox would benefit the most from having think that Johan Santana would be the best fit. Not only is he relatively young, but he keeps getting better as a pitcher. It's getting to the point where it's an automatic win everytime he pitches. Therefore, if you can be almost 80 pct certain you have a great chance to win once every 5 games, then you give yourself the chance to put together winning streaks and prevent losing streaks. Of course, Bonds is best in MLB history. However, he is getting older, and you never know when he just might get sick of all the s***. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted September 23, 2004 Share Posted September 23, 2004 No frickken way, he's been real clutch throughout his career, but if you think he's more valuable then bonds your nuts, without bonds the giants are right there with the dbacks this year. Either way if I'm starting a franchise I'm taking santana. Wow Rowand 44, we agree on something!!! Also, let me add to the other poster that I love Pujols, but I'd rather let him stay with the Cardinals so he can torment the Cubs for the next 15 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted September 23, 2004 Share Posted September 23, 2004 Wow Rowand 44, we agree on something!!! Wow, I guess miracles do happen, fathom. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danman31 Posted September 23, 2004 Share Posted September 23, 2004 If I want a guy for one year it's clearly Bonds, but if I want a guy to build my franchise around it's Vlad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted September 23, 2004 Share Posted September 23, 2004 If I want a guy for one year it's clearly Bonds, but if I want a guy to build my franchise around it's Vlad. Vlad is a great player, but in terms of the future, the guy looks like he's going to have to deal with a lot of injuries. It's almost painful to watch him run some times, looks like he's running on needles. However, Vlad at the Cell would be fun to watch. As would any decent hitter it seems like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted September 23, 2004 Share Posted September 23, 2004 I would build around Ichiro, but I'll take Bonds by far for hitting and/or Santana or Oliver Perez for pitching. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CubsSuck1 Posted September 23, 2004 Share Posted September 23, 2004 I'd take Vlad Guerrero, no question, but I am somewhat biased. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Honda Civic Posted September 23, 2004 Share Posted September 23, 2004 Jeter is a joke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted September 23, 2004 Share Posted September 23, 2004 For starters...I'd like to ask, why Jeter is on the list but not Miguel Tejada? And don't you dare tell me it's because the Yankees win...Jeter has a role in the Yankees success, but he is not a more valuable player then Tejada is. Anyways, if this is a one year thing...give me Bonds. I think MLB has to do something about Bonds...he is too good. They like have to make him play with a shock collar, and if he becomes too dominant, they shock the hell out of him. Also...it is hard to say what the Sox record with Bonds in the lineup would be. They would have had a chance to win 100 games, and I have no doubt about it either. You have to consider that he plays his home games in one of the most pitcher friendly parks in the majors, and he is still hitting 40-50 homers a year...if he were in the cell, I would venture to guess that 60-70 homers in our lineup would not be out of the question, honest to God. And with Bonds, you know that Caballo and Konerko would have had better years then they really had...and they have had some damn good years. Basically...Bonds is as a god. If this is something for the future...I'd probably take Pujols. He's a stud. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox_Sonix Posted September 23, 2004 Share Posted September 23, 2004 Pujols because he can play multiple positions and is only 24. Agreed. And how anyone can pick Jeter is beyond me. That guy is one of the most overrated players in the league Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
He_Gawn Posted September 23, 2004 Share Posted September 23, 2004 I picked Pujols. Jeter is a flamer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heads22 Posted September 23, 2004 Share Posted September 23, 2004 Like some other guys have said....for one or a couple of years...Bonds, no question. To build a franchise around: Pujols. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 23, 2004 Share Posted September 23, 2004 Like some other guys have said....for one or a couple of years...Bonds, no question. To build a franchise around: Pujols. I would agree with Barry for one year, but I would take Vlad for the career. Maybe I haven't seen enough of Pujols, but I am with Vlad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwimBuddha Posted September 23, 2004 Share Posted September 23, 2004 My first choice would have to be Derek Jeter. He is my 2nd favorite player (Frank Thomas) and he is one of the best hitters and fielders I have ever watched play the game. I were to take a pitcher, I would take Johan Santana. He is having a career year and he is dominate. I wouldn't be surprised if he wins the Cy Young. He deserves it.... SwimBuddha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Honda Civic Posted September 23, 2004 Share Posted September 23, 2004 don't look now, but Santana is winning the Voting... I, stupidly, voted for him... The streak he is currently on is Koufax-like. In truth though, I wouldn't pick him. There's too much risk there. I would take bonds/pujols. I need to see another year of Santana's SK impression to vault him to the top pitcher in all of baseball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted September 23, 2004 Share Posted September 23, 2004 My first choice would have to be Derek Jeter. He is my 2nd favorite player (Frank Thomas) and he is one of the best hitters and fielders I have ever watched play the game. I were to take a pitcher, I would take Johan Santana. He is having a career year and he is dominate. I wouldn't be surprised if he wins the Cy Young. He deserves it.... SwimBuddha I'm going to have to pretend that I didnt read that line where you said that Jeter was a great defender. Jeter and Nomar have about as much range at SS as Drew Bledsoe has in the pocket. Jeter is a very clutch hitter, but for 18 mil a yr, I'll pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwimBuddha Posted September 24, 2004 Share Posted September 24, 2004 I'm going to have to pretend that I didnt read that line where you said that Jeter was a great defender. Jeter and Nomar have about as much range at SS as Drew Bledsoe has in the pocket. Jeter is a very clutch hitter, but for 18 mil a yr, I'll pass. I don't see why he you think he is a bad fielder. His career fielding average is .975 which is pretty good IMO, OK maybe he isn't the greatest and I went to far with the best fielder I have ever seen but still, he is one of the best overall players in the Majors this year, and in his career. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Honda Civic Posted September 24, 2004 Share Posted September 24, 2004 I'm going to have to pretend that I didnt read that line where you said that Jeter was a great defender. Jeter and Nomar have about as much range at SS as Drew Bledsoe has in the pocket. Jeter is a very clutch hitter, but for 18 mil a yr, I'll pass. I had an e-mail conversation with the guy who does UZR -- Ultimate Zone Rating -- the stats don't come out until after the season.. He said that Jeter is currently putting together his best season defensively in years, but he's still below average. I was curious to see how Carlos Lee graded out... Carlos was slightly above average. A far cry from where he was when he broke in with the Sox as a defensive liability. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Honda Civic Posted September 24, 2004 Share Posted September 24, 2004 I don't see why he you think he is a bad fielder. His career fielding average is .975 which is pretty good IMO, OK maybe he isn't the greatest and I went to far with the best fielder I have ever seen but still, he is one of the best overall players in the Majors this year, and in his career. First of all welcome to Soxtalk. Second.. Jetah is not even in the top 3 SS's in baseball, Certainly not the best SS on his own team, and not anywhere near the best players in all of baseball. Bonds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwimBuddha Posted September 24, 2004 Share Posted September 24, 2004 First of all welcome to Soxtalk. Second.. Jetah is not even in the top 3 SS's in baseball, Certainly not the best SS on his own team, and not anywhere near the best players in all of baseball. Bonds I've been here before...look at my IP, I'm under cover Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted September 24, 2004 Share Posted September 24, 2004 Pujols because he can play multiple positions and is only 24. BINGO! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xero Posted September 24, 2004 Share Posted September 24, 2004 I've been here before...look at my IP, I'm under cover Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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