babybearhater Posted September 24, 2004 Share Posted September 24, 2004 Bottom line...the Sox will not offer (nor pay) Magglio anything near what his market value will be proven to be, we will NOT have him next year, our starting RF will be Everett, and the 2005 SOX WILL SUCK! f*** Maggs---they offered him a huge contract for multiple years, which the sox are not known to do. And he wouldnt even give us a hometown discount, he is money hungry and the bad Karma caught up with him. I say get your money grubbing ass outta town, I would rather watch the Barons play for pure love of the game than someone who just wants more freakin money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 24, 2004 Share Posted September 24, 2004 And not so slickly planting stories in the press about Maggs "condition" furthers those ends. Why is that so hard to see? If those are lies, why doesn't Maggs easily prove them wrong? It would be soooo easy. Once again all he has to do is show his medical records or bring the media into a workout. Instead we have Maggs holed up in Miami, not talking to the media (unless you count Kotex-boy as media) and speaking through his agent. If Maggs is healthy and willing to disprove all of this so called slander, he could do in in a heartbeat. The fact that he doesn't tells me something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yossarian Posted September 24, 2004 Share Posted September 24, 2004 If those are lies, why doesn't Maggs easily prove them wrong? It would be soooo easy. Once again all he has to do is show his medical records or bring the media into a workout. Instead we have Maggs holed up in Miami, not talking to the media (unless you count Kotex-boy as media) and speaking through his agent. If Maggs is healthy and willing to disprove all of this so called slander, he could do in in a heartbeat. The fact that he doesn't tells me something. I'm not going to look you in your cyber eye and tell you that's not a good point. However why did KW have to open up his big mouth in the first place? Just shut up and let the situation dicate the most reasonable response. Instead, what he has done is humiliate Maggs in public and that seems to be just jake with some folks here. It isn't with me, and irregardless its bad business. Don't you think that potential free agents aren't watching this soap opera? If Maggs leaves, I hope he has many more monster years. Also, even though I conceded your point why should Maggs have to release anything? His career is probably hanging in the balance and my guess is that he's been told to rest and that his prognosis is uncertain. It could be anything from permanent disability to full recovery. I still say that Maggs deserves better than this. He's been a model citizen, not a whiny show boater like the starting RFer on the other side of town. You may not believe it and may not like it but Sox management does not have an overall good reputation, and not just among some fans. KW is known to more than a few as an arrogant control freak. This is just more BS served up by the Sox so called "braintrust". I really hope Magglio has a full and complete recovery. I would much rather go out and have a few beers and some conservation with Magglio than with Mr Ken Williams. I know a little Spanish "habla y leo y escribo el espanol un poco". Perhaps we could navigate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 24, 2004 Share Posted September 24, 2004 Don't take any of my points the wrong way. I love Maggs. Geesh I even have a cat named after him. He has been my favorite player on this team, all of the way back to the Robin Ventura days. There is nothing I would want to see more than Maggs to continue on to the HOF. Why Kenny openned his mouth in the first place is beyond me. His media savvy (the huge lack there of) has never been in question. I wonder if it was in response to a direct question or if he offered up the opinion? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yossarian Posted September 24, 2004 Share Posted September 24, 2004 Don't worry everthing is cool. Just having a baseball discussion which is why I come here in the first place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
israel4ever Posted September 24, 2004 Share Posted September 24, 2004 f*** Maggs---they offered him a huge contract for multiple years, which the sox are not known to do. And he wouldnt even give us a hometown discount, he is money hungry and the bad Karma caught up with him. I say get your money grubbing ass outta town, I would rather watch the Barons play for pure love of the game than someone who just wants more freakin money. Then don't complain when the Sox suck, and are out of contention by June!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 24, 2004 Share Posted September 24, 2004 Don't worry everthing is cool. Just having a baseball discussion which is why I come here in the first place. Good to hear Especially since we might never see eye to eye on this one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babybearhater Posted September 24, 2004 Share Posted September 24, 2004 Then don't complain when the Sox suck, and are out of contention by June!!! Oh yeah, because he has repeatedly been putting us in the playoffs for the past 4 years, thats right I forgot our domination of this weak division just because of Magglio. Oh wait, I woke up from my dream, and we sucked with him on the team. Dump his salary and pick up some players that will help this team, not our all star roster OUT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winninguglyin83 Posted September 24, 2004 Author Share Posted September 24, 2004 Wasn't Maggs' fault that we lost the last few years. We've seen how overpowering this club is without him this season. Get ready for The Kid Can Play, Part IX, as we wait for Sweeney, Anderson, Brice, Spidale, Young, Nanita and the others to develop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babybearhater Posted September 24, 2004 Share Posted September 24, 2004 Wasn't Maggs' fault that we lost the last few years. We've seen how overpowering this club is without him this season. Get ready for The Kid Can Play, Part IX, as we wait for Sweeney, Anderson, Brice, Spidale, Young, Nanita and the others to develop. fine with me, at least we didnt sound like cubs fans whining about wait till next year OUT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
israel4ever Posted September 24, 2004 Share Posted September 24, 2004 Oh yeah, because he has repeatedly been putting us in the playoffs for the past 4 years, thats right I forgot our domination of this weak division just because of Magglio. Oh wait, I woke up from my dream, and we sucked with him on the team. Dump his salary and pick up some players that will help this team, not our all star roster OUT Quality is ALWAYS better than quantity, dude! I'd rather have one $14 million player on my team than seven $2 million players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted September 24, 2004 Share Posted September 24, 2004 I see most of you are ranting toward KW here. I see it 100% different. It looks to me the KW is trying to be diplomatic about things. I saw it the exact same way. I think Maggs as the bad guy in this whole thing, imo. I haven't been too thrilled with the way this whole thing has been handled, but from what I gathered, I thought KW did a good job and that he was trying to be the good guy and handle things well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
israel4ever Posted September 24, 2004 Share Posted September 24, 2004 It doesn't matter who's the "bad guy"...what matters is, are the Sox a better team with Ordonez, or are they better without him? Until they show that they will be BIG players in the FA market, and can/will get us someone who is as good/better than Mags, I believe we would be bettter off with #30 than without him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yossarian Posted September 24, 2004 Share Posted September 24, 2004 I'm going to fall out of my chair. I hope Maggs reads here that he is the "bad" guy and sweet Ole Ken is as pure as a baby's hind end. Maggs didn't say anything as far as I can tell, until our genius GM opened his mouth. After he told the whole world he was on the verge of being a hopeless cripple. If I was Maggs I wouldn't want to play for the White Sox anymore. Enjoy trying to make the playoffs let alone win a WS with the Willie Harrises, Ross Gloads, Juan Uribes, Carl Everetts and Joe Borchards of the world in your lineup. If Maggs can get himself healthy and goes elsewhere I guarantee the crying on this board will start sooner rather than later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winninguglyin83 Posted September 24, 2004 Author Share Posted September 24, 2004 you are exactly right. Other than Frank, Maggs has been the best homegrown player the Sox have produced in a long, long, long time. This ain't the way to tell him goodbye. All KW has to say NOTHING. The situation will play out on its own. Anybody who doesn't think that other players on other teams don't see this s*** and think, "What in the Hell is going on in Chicago?' is crazy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted September 24, 2004 Share Posted September 24, 2004 Please go to the Cubs, Maggs, if you don't come back to the Sox. Stick it up Dork's butt and KW's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted September 25, 2004 Share Posted September 25, 2004 I am tired of hearing about a guy on the wrong side of 30 looking for 5 yr deal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted September 25, 2004 Share Posted September 25, 2004 I am tired of hearing about a guy on the wrong side of 30 looking for 5 yr deal It is pretty common for most players to get their big contract at the age of 29,30,and 31. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted September 25, 2004 Share Posted September 25, 2004 It doesn't matter who's the "bad guy"...what matters is, are the Sox a better team with Ordonez, or are they better without him? Until they show that they will be BIG players in the FA market, and can/will get us someone who is as good/better than Mags, I believe we would be bettter off with #30 than without him. Sure we would. As long as #30 doesn't spend the whole year on the DL, or playing with half the speed and half the aggresiveness he had before or if the bad knee affects his swing to where he can't drive the ball anymore or ....... Then again, what player(s) would we be able to acquire if #30 wasn't on the team? Could $2M of the "Maggs money" make the difference in wheteher we sign Pavano or Beltran or whoever? It's not that simple saying "Would we better with or without him?". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 25, 2004 Share Posted September 25, 2004 It's not that simple saying "Would we better with or without him?". To a lot of people it is that simple... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted September 25, 2004 Share Posted September 25, 2004 To a lot of people it is that simple... "Simple" says it all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yossarian Posted September 25, 2004 Share Posted September 25, 2004 Call me simple if you like. Ordonez is on a very short list of all time great Sox players. We don't have a history like the Yankees you know. I never met the guy but he seems grounded and level headed and in any case whatever there is negative about him he's kept it in the background and just played ball. He's not been the typical arrogant, pushy in your face modern day athlete. A number of Sox players in recent years have had their moments of stupidity and immaturity and not just on the field. Never Ordonez. So if I'm the owner or the GM I want to give this guy, who is a clear fan favorite the benefit of the doubt. Of course one has to take into consideration his recent serious injury in negotiating a new contract. Whether he gets re signed or not, a little simple respect is in order. I wonder if anybody here has noticed that the Cubs are on a roll, headed for the playoffs again, while the Sox slide slowly into irrelevance. Pretty soon it may not matter one way or another if they're still in town. They can't afford even small mistakes at this point. The treatment of Ordonez is another vintage bonehead KW move. I really liked winninguglyin83's post on this thread. Couldn't agree more and I wonder why so many here are willing to trash Ordonez and then push him overboard. If the guy is healthy he's going to pick up right where he left off. If not, he deserves thanks for a very productive and trouble free 5+ years. That's how I feel and you can call me simple if you like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted September 25, 2004 Share Posted September 25, 2004 No one was calling anyone simple. It was the point of view that was expressed by the question "Are we better off with or without him?" That approach, or way of looking at things is "simple". In fact, it's way over simplified. Yossarian, you make some valid points in your arguements. I happen to think this is a case of us not having the complete story and for someone to bash either KW or Magglio at this point is an irrelevent point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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