jackie hayes Posted September 24, 2004 Share Posted September 24, 2004 Beltran said "I could see playing here next year" to virtually every city he visited, to every local reporter who asked him. I remember the NY media was pushing him hard on that point. Probably a standard reply cooked up by Boras for Beltran to tell those who asked. I posted some Beltran quotes on another thread. He's basically a quiet guy who doesn't like all the media attention, who wants to go out in public w/o being recognized. No chance of that happening in NY or Bos. Chicago? He could blend in "Oh yeah, you blend." Especiallly w/ so much money involved, he'll get a lot of attention anywhere. Even in our quiet little hamlet on a lake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beck72 Posted September 24, 2004 Share Posted September 24, 2004 "Oh yeah, you blend." Especiallly w/ so much money involved, he'll get a lot of attention anywhere. Even in our quiet little hamlet on a lake. OK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palehosefan Posted September 24, 2004 Share Posted September 24, 2004 Beltran would be perfect to hit in front of PK, we need someone that can get to 2nd as much as possible when PK is batting to keep him out of DP's. Beltran is a very good base stealer, that would kill two stones with one signing. With that said, no way we outbid the Yankees for him. If the Yanks lose it all again this year, Steinbrenner might go insane and offer a ridiculous contract to Beltran. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beck72 Posted September 24, 2004 Share Posted September 24, 2004 Beltran would be perfect to hit in front of PK, we need someone that can get to 2nd as much as possible when PK is batting to keep him out of DP's. Beltran is a very good base stealer, that would kill two stones with one signing. With that said, no way we outbid the Yankees for him. If the Yanks lose it all again this year, Steinbrenner might go insane and offer a ridiculous contract to Beltran. that's a good point about [Potentially] Beltran hitting in front of Pk. The yanks will likely offer obscene money to Beltran. Though they need pitching more. Yet if the Sox offered anything close, I would think Beltran would favor the lower key lifestyle of chicago. Anything is possible Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkokieSox Posted September 24, 2004 Share Posted September 24, 2004 The way i see it, Paulie is a perfect #5 hitter and I'm not opposed to keeping him. Beltran fits very nicely in the 3 slot, but I'm thinking they may hit him 4 (if this went down) to break up Thomas and Konerko. Plus it gives some balance. Then the 6th hitter would be a mix of Everett/Gload, imo. Rowand in the 2 slot and I wouldn't be able to tell you who else would be playing, but I'd guess Uribe is gonna get a shot at the 7 slot and the Sox will have a new leadoff hitter and possibly 3rd baseman. It would be nice to split Thomas and PK to balance the lineup, but I doubt the Sox would split them with Beltran. The guy is fast, no reason to sandwich him between those slow pokes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3E8 Posted September 24, 2004 Share Posted September 24, 2004 If we were to 'spend' some money, I'd rather the Sox sign Pedro. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkokieSox Posted September 24, 2004 Share Posted September 24, 2004 If we were to 'spend' some money, I'd rather the Sox sign Pedro. No thanks, he wants to be the highest paid pitcher, and he's no longer the best pitcher IMO. Very good, but not the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yossarian Posted September 24, 2004 Share Posted September 24, 2004 Every time I see a Lee or Pk or whoever to be traded thread I wince. KW has been all over the dartboard with his trades and no bullseyes to date. Trade Lee or Konerko? Then please make the trading partner pay full value and then some. I don't want to watch the reincarnation of the 62 Mets next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butter Parque Posted September 24, 2004 Share Posted September 24, 2004 Signing Carlos Beltran would eat up our payroll like guys like Magglio, Konerko and Valentin have done for the past few seasons. I don't want one great player I want many good and average players. I want players who could do things that no one on our team can do right now. I want base stealers, I want guys who take pride in their fielding, and I want guys who can hit in the clutch. Its not about getting big names and spending big money, just tell the yankees that. You will though, need a starter. Maybe not a frontliner but someone who can give some support to Buehrle, Garcia, and Contreras. I think we will need someone who is better then Contreras though. Its nice to have a true ace, but It won't hurt you that much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beck72 Posted September 24, 2004 Share Posted September 24, 2004 With Lee or PK traded the Sox should be able to get a front line pitcher. Few "aces" are out there as FA's or via trade. Pedro [overpriced], Pavano [but is his track record worthy of the long term contract?] maybe. But the Sox could get a #2 or 3 going the FA route. the best bet for getting an "ace" would be trading a Lee or PK. The downside would be they wouldn't be an "ace" for a few years, as they'd be a prospect [no higher than AA] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackie hayes Posted September 24, 2004 Share Posted September 24, 2004 With Lee or PK traded the Sox should be able to get a front line pitcher. Few "aces" are out there as FA's or via trade. Pedro [overpriced], Pavano [but is his track record worthy of the long term contract?] maybe. But the Sox could get a #2 or 3 going the FA route. the best bet for getting an "ace" would be trading a Lee or PK. The downside would be they wouldn't be an "ace" for a few years, as they'd be a prospect [no higher than AA] Or might never become an ace. That's the biggest downside. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitewashed in '05 Posted September 24, 2004 Share Posted September 24, 2004 Signing Carlos Beltran would eat up our payroll like guys like Magglio, Konerko and Valentin have done for the past few seasons. I don't want one great player I want many good and average players. I want players who could do things that no one on our team can do right now. I want base stealers, I want guys who take pride in their fielding, and I want guys who can hit in the clutch. Its not about getting big names and spending big money, just tell the yankees that. You will though, need a starter. Maybe not a frontliner but someone who can give some support to Buehrle, Garcia, and Contreras. I think we will need someone who is better then Contreras though. Its nice to have a true ace, but It won't hurt you that much. I have no condifence in Contreras at all. Everyone keeps saying "all he has to do is throw his fastball more" well haven't they been telling him that since he got to the MLB? What makes you think he is going to listen? If we could package Contreras and Lee or Konerko to someone for an ace and some high prospects it would be great. We get an ace through a trade and we sign someone like Odalis Perez and be set but we all know that won't happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuskyCaucasian Posted September 24, 2004 Share Posted September 24, 2004 If they trade Lee and snag Beltran, who plays left? I assume Rowand would move to right with Beltran in center. Whould they but Gload out there? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted September 24, 2004 Share Posted September 24, 2004 If they trade Lee and snag Beltran, who plays left? I assume Rowand would move to right with Beltran in center. Whould they but Gload out there? Everett. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beck72 Posted September 24, 2004 Share Posted September 24, 2004 Or might never become an ace. That's the biggest downside. True, there's a risk to anything. But the most reasonable prospect for getting an ace is through developing one in the minors, or getting one in someone else's minor league system. that the Sox haven't been able to "find" one in their system says something about how they develop pitching, or the scouting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackie hayes Posted September 24, 2004 Share Posted September 24, 2004 True, there's a risk to anything. But the most reasonable prospect for getting an ace is through developing one in the minors, or getting one in someone else's minor league system. that the Sox haven't been able to "find" one in their system says something about how they develop pitching, or the scouting. But the question should always be, How big of a risk? How many AA stars become aces (not just decent ML pitchers, dominant ML pitchers)? This sounds like a move for a rebuilding team, and I don't think the Sox should take that course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beck72 Posted September 24, 2004 Share Posted September 24, 2004 But the question should always be, How big of a risk? How many AA stars become aces (not just decent ML pitchers, dominant ML pitchers)? This sounds like a move for a rebuilding team, and I don't think the Sox should take that course. I'm not saying the Sox should take that course. I'm just saying that's the most likely way to get an "Ace". Teams aren't likely to trade an ace away [low budget teams], or trade one that's nearly ready for the bigs [AA or AA--though big budget teams might like Bos or NYY] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBlackSox8 Posted September 24, 2004 Share Posted September 24, 2004 that's a good point about [Potentially] Beltran hitting in front of Pk. The yanks will likely offer obscene money to Beltran. Though they need pitching more. Yet if the Sox offered anything close, I would think Beltran would favor the lower key lifestyle of chicago. Anything is possible Plus the fact the Whitesox are a predominantly Latin/hispanic team...which could help with a player like beltran's decision to come here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchetman Posted September 25, 2004 Share Posted September 25, 2004 most of the "aces" i can think of changed teams via trade or FA..unit, pedro, clemens, maddux, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NUKE_CLEVELAND Posted September 25, 2004 Share Posted September 25, 2004 smokescreen. feed the fans the folly that they're really going to try to get Beltran. Get outbid. Fall short. Cry that they tried. and then give us John Cangelosi Lite. Book it. Beltran ain't coming to Chicago. He'll be in pinstripes. Doesn't Dollar Bill Wirtz hold the patent on that strategy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toasty Posted September 25, 2004 Share Posted September 25, 2004 boras is still beltran's agent... and even if beltran would rather take less money to be out of the spotlight of ny, boras won't let him do it. boras wants the most money he can get, period. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Honda Civic Posted September 25, 2004 Share Posted September 25, 2004 boras is still beltran's agent... and even if beltran would rather take less money to be out of the spotlight of ny, boras won't let him do it. boras wants the most money he can get, period. In a move that could radically alter the offseason, Carlos Beltran might change agents from Scott Boras to Alan Nero, according to an official from a team unlikely to bid on the star center fielder. With players of this ability, Boras has a penchant to patiently wait deep into the offseason. http://nypost.com/sports/19193.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted September 25, 2004 Share Posted September 25, 2004 I will not miss the lawn ornament Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NUKE_CLEVELAND Posted September 25, 2004 Share Posted September 25, 2004 I will not miss the lawn ornament The team will be just a little bit less stylish without him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSGuy406 Posted September 25, 2004 Share Posted September 25, 2004 Am I the only one who wouldn't be comfortable with giving Beltran a 15-18 million dollar contract over five years? Don't get me wrong, he's a good ballplayer, but that money could fill, at the very least, three other holes on this team. We need top of the order hitters and lefty power hitters; IMHO, these are the following guys that we ought to be in pursuit of this offseason: -JD Drew -Cory Koskie -Jerry Hairston -Johnny Damon -Bill Mueller Get me a team of eight baseball players, and I'd be a lot happier with that than a team of a couple superstars and the rest mediocre. You gotta get guys that know how to play the game, so to speak... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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