YASNY Posted September 25, 2004 Author Share Posted September 25, 2004 I can see the Sox doing precisely what the article states. Beltran does fill a lot of things the Sox need ... lefty (switch) power, speed, defense ..... Lee could be used to acquire a couple of the decent ballplayers we'd need to overall strengthen the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beck72 Posted September 25, 2004 Share Posted September 25, 2004 Why should we want this to happen? That'll likely be 1/6-1/5 of the total payroll, and it'll be a multiyear (minimum 5 yr) deal, so it ties our hands for years to come. Beltran is good, but he's definitely not as good as either Guerrero or Pujols, each of whom makes $14-15 mil. If he gets as much as that, walk away. One reason is the Sox don't have a position player tied up "for years to come". If they signed Beltran, they would have a guy coming into his prime, who plays stellar defense, has speed, power, is versatile [a switch hitter] and can hit near the top of the lineup [2,or 3]. Besides Rowand [who should keep up his solid play but you never know] and Uribe, there are few position players to form a new "core" [Frank should be around as well, but I'm talking about position players] Add in the fact that only Brian Anderson may get on the Sox roster in the next year or two from the minors, a move like this makes sense from a baseball organizational point of view Another thing--Beltran should post even better numbers in the cell than he did in KC or Hous. With all he could bring to the Sox, he should be worth Vlad and Pujols money Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beck72 Posted September 25, 2004 Share Posted September 25, 2004 Am I the only one who wouldn't be comfortable with giving Beltran a 15-18 million dollar contract over five years? Don't get me wrong, he's a good ballplayer, but that money could fill, at the very least, three other holes on this team. We need top of the order hitters and lefty power hitters; IMHO, these are the following guys that we ought to be in pursuit of this offseason: -JD Drew -Cory Koskie -Jerry Hairston -Johnny Damon -Bill Mueller Get me a team of eight baseball players, and I'd be a lot happier with that than a team of a couple superstars and the rest mediocre. You gotta get guys that know how to play the game, so to speak... What is more likely, signing three different FA's, or going after one? Drew is likely to remain in ATL. Plus, he gets a 4 yr deal after being healthy only one!? Too risky as a health concern IMO for $10 mill a yr. Koskie would be nice, prob. get $5, 6 mill. But he won't give you much lefty power or top of the order hitting. Beltran negates the need for both Drew and Koskie, by giving you power and hitting in the 2 or 3 spot. Crede would stay at 3B, with the strong probability he'll bounce back and be solid next yr. Beltran + Crede >> Drew + Koskie [for basically the same price] Damon would have to traded for. Not worth the price in terms of major league talent. Mueller might be available. Hairston? Is he better than Uribe and Harris? I don't know. But he'll have to be traded for with major league talent. Balt. won't want prospects. The guys you want would plug holes but then make new ones. The Sox would need a SS still. Sign Vizquel for 2 yrs. Uribe then becomes insurance at 3 IF spots, and could start at 2B or 3B, depending on spring. A Lee trade could get the Sox help at a few positions, like C, SP or bullpen. Though SP FA's are strong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted September 25, 2004 Share Posted September 25, 2004 Carlos Lee = $8 million for 2005 Paul Konerko = $8.75 million for 2005 Get rid of one of these guys, and that $15 mil a year doesn't look that much more expensive. Remember we also are getting rid of Maggs (which is pretty much spent) $5 mil for Valentin, and $6 million for Koch. That is $11 million more dollars which means we could fit Beltran into our budget at $15 mil/yr and still have about $4-$5 mil left over depending on whether CLee or PK got traded. Don't dismiss this as impossible, just yet. But, you are giving the boot to two players with hitting totals of over 70 homers and 200 RBI's and spending the money on one guy. Plus you are opening up at least one more hole on the team most likely at IB. It is way too early to get into this speculation anyway. I am betting we won't really get an idea where this team is headed in off season dealing until after the team meetings after the regular season is over. I still think the pitching is the achilles heel of this team regardless of what is being said by the brass. There was an article in the Tribune, I believe, that made some good points on the disappointing pitching stats of this team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted September 25, 2004 Share Posted September 25, 2004 Am I the only one who wouldn't be comfortable with giving Beltran a 15-18 million dollar contract over five years? Don't get me wrong, he's a good ballplayer, but that money could fill, at the very least, three other holes on this team. No, you are not the only one with a problem with that scenario. I think we should be leery of paying out a huge price for one guy. Look at the all the free agent signings of big names at big money that have failed to bring a championship of even the wild card spot. Anaheim this year with Guerrero and Colon and I don't think they are going to make it. Texas and the Alex Rodriguez signing for $250M plus several small countries. They trade him to the Yankees and they jump into contention. Look out if they get some strong pitching. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSGuy406 Posted September 25, 2004 Share Posted September 25, 2004 What is more likely, signing three different FA's, or going after one? Drew is likely to remain in ATL. Plus, he gets a 4 yr deal after being healthy only one!? Too risky as a health concern IMO for $10 mill a yr. Koskie would be nice, prob. get $5, 6 mill. But he won't give you much lefty power or top of the order hitting. Beltran negates the need for both Drew and Koskie, by giving you power and hitting in the 2 or 3 spot. Crede would stay at 3B, with the strong probability he'll bounce back and be solid next yr. Beltran + Crede >> Drew + Koskie [for basically the same price] Damon would have to traded for. Not worth the price in terms of major league talent. Mueller might be available. Hairston? Is he better than Uribe and Harris? I don't know. But he'll have to be traded for with major league talent. Balt. won't want prospects. The guys you want would plug holes but then make new ones. The Sox would need a SS still. Sign Vizquel for 2 yrs. Uribe then becomes insurance at 3 IF spots, and could start at 2B or 3B, depending on spring. A Lee trade could get the Sox help at a few positions, like C, SP or bullpen. Though SP FA's are strong. Hairston is easily better than both Harris and Uribe... This year he's hitting .303 with a .378 OBP. He hits just about equally well against righties as against lefties. And what do you mean Damon isn't worth his price? He plays very good defense, and he's a guy that just knows how to play baseball. Plus, he'd give us one of the better leadoff tandoms in the game, with Damon then Rowand. If the Sox found a way to trade for Damon, I'd be thrilled. Caveman on the southside would be awesome! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elcaballo45 Posted September 25, 2004 Share Posted September 25, 2004 All I have to say is: What a boring ass team this would be with no ElCaballo running around on the field. No daily webgems, no hustle, and no caballo chants from the stands. It will be a sad day in hell if this ever came to pass. to #45! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beck72 Posted September 25, 2004 Share Posted September 25, 2004 Hairston is easily better than both Harris and Uribe... This year he's hitting .303 with a .378 OBP. He hits just about equally well against righties as against lefties. And what do you mean Damon isn't worth his price? He plays very good defense, and he's a guy that just knows how to play baseball. Plus, he'd give us one of the better leadoff tandoms in the game, with Damon then Rowand. If the Sox found a way to trade for Damon, I'd be thrilled. Caveman on the southside would be awesome! The key to getting either Hairston or Damon is they require trading major league talent. The Sox would then have fill those holes they created. Hairston has been injured a lot. I don't know if he's all that better than Uribe, though he has more speed. Damon would be fine. If it was something along the lines of PK for Damon, maybe. But w/o proposing who you'd trade to get guys who aren't free agents, it's hard to see how getting these guys will just happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSteve Posted September 25, 2004 Share Posted September 25, 2004 The key to getting either Hairston or Damon is they require trading major league talent. The Sox would then have fill those holes they created. Hairston has been injured a lot. I don't know if he's all that better than Uribe, though he has more speed. Damon would be fine. If it was something along the lines of PK for Damon, maybe. But w/o proposing who you'd trade to get guys who aren't free agents, it's hard to see how getting these guys will just happen. Couldn't happen where Damon comes here for PK. Why would Boston want Doug M. and PK at 1B. Ortiz would be at DH no matter what. Plus Millar. Would Millar play CF? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beck72 Posted September 25, 2004 Share Posted September 25, 2004 Couldn't happen where Damon comes here for PK. Why would Boston want Doug M. and PK at 1B. Ortiz would be at DH no matter what. Plus Millar. Would Millar play CF? My point is people advocate getting players under contract w/ another team, w/o proposing how the Sox would get these players. I wasn't advocating getting Damon. I was responding to someone else, hypothetically Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted September 26, 2004 Share Posted September 26, 2004 My point is people advocate getting players under contract w/ another team, w/o proposing how the Sox would get these players. I wasn't advocating getting Damon. I was responding to someone else, hypothetically Would the BoSox really be interested in Konerko. I know the Red Sox have a ton of free agents to resign, but to me they are going to have bigger fish to fry in regards to their pitching staff. As long as Ortiz/Manny are in the middle and they have some complimentary players they should be alright offensively, imo. But Pedro, Lowe and whoever else will be gone and I know they have a ton of position players available as well. Mueller, Cabrera, Mient, Varitek. Boston is going to be a really really active team this offseason, imo. IF they deal Damon I can see the value in acquiring him, but I don't think I'd do it straight up for Lee or Konerko...thats just me though. I don't know what they have that could fit in and help the Sox other then that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted September 26, 2004 Share Posted September 26, 2004 IF they deal Damon I can see the value in acquiring him, but I don't think I'd do it straight up for Lee or Konerko...thats just me though. I don't know what they have that could fit in and help the Sox other then that. While they really don't have a many throw ins for a konerko/lee for damon trade i wouldn't mind the sox going after scott willamson in free agency. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted September 26, 2004 Share Posted September 26, 2004 While they really don't have a many throw ins for a konerko/lee for damon trade i wouldn't mind the sox going after scott willamson in free agency. Is he going to be 100% by the start of the season? I've always been a Williamson fan, but if I think right, this is his second seriuos arm injury he's had. He's a very good reliever when healthy though. It be really nice if the Sox could get him at a bargain, but considering they will probably only add 1 to 2 relievers max, I don't think I'd want that one reliever being a guy coming off an injury. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted September 26, 2004 Share Posted September 26, 2004 Is he going to be 100% by the start of the season? I've always been a Williamson fan, but if I think right, this is his second seriuos arm injury he's had. He's a very good reliever when healthy though. It be really nice if the Sox could get him at a bargain, but considering they will probably only add 1 to 2 relievers max, I don't think I'd want that one reliever being a guy coming off an injury. Might as well get them why they are injured or just returning from injury. Doesn't matter if they are 100% healthy when we get them they will get injured or lose velocity for no apparent reason anyway. So why not get a head start? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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