Dan Rather vs George W. Bush

[LowerCaseRepublican]

Dan Rather, CBS News Anchor

1) given documents he thought were true

2) failed to thoroughly investigate the facts

3) reported documents to the American people as true to make his case

4) when confronted with the facts, apologized and launched an investigation

5) number of Americans dead: 0

6) should be fired as CBS News Anchor

 

George W. Bush, President of the United States

1) given documents he thought were true

2) failed to thoroughly investigate the facts

3) reported documents to the American people as true to make his case

4) when confronted with the facts, continued to report untruth and stonewalled an investigation

5) number of Americans dead: 1000+

6) should be given four more years as President of the United States

 

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[jasonxctf]

love it!!

[Texsox]

Dan Rather should have been fired years ago. For poor delivery, etc. Not his journalistic skills.

[KipWellsFan]

[EvilMonkey]

Dan Rather, CBS News Anchor

1) given documents he thought were true

2) failed to thoroughly investigate the facts

3) reported documents to the American people as true to make his case

4) when confronted with the facts, apologized and launched an investigation

5) number of Americans dead: 0

6) should be fired as CBS News Anchor

 

George W. Bush, President of the United States

1) given documents he thought were true

2) failed to thoroughly investigate the facts

3) reported documents to the American people as true to make his case

4) when confronted with the facts, continued to report untruth and stonewalled an investigation

5) number of Americans dead: 1000+

6) should be given four more years as President of the United States

 

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For Dan you forgot 1a) even though the source was anything but an 'impeachable source'. and 2a) even though others around him told him that they looked false, and probably were false.

 

 

For George, you forgot 1a) documents were given by the CIA, SUPPOSEDLY one of the worlds best intellegence unit and 1b) was also backed up in his beliefs by a host of other American politicians, including the guy currently running against him.

 

However, Texsox has it right, he should have been fired long ago just for his delivery.

[NUKE_CLEVELAND]

Dan Rather, CBS News Anchor

1) given documents he thought were true

2) failed to thoroughly investigate the facts

3) reported documents to the American people as true to make his case

4) when confronted with the facts, apologized and launched an investigation

5) number of Americans dead: 0

6) should be fired as CBS News Anchor

 

George W. Bush, President of the United States

1) given documents he thought were true

2) failed to thoroughly investigate the facts

3) reported documents to the American people as true to make his case

4) when confronted with the facts, continued to report untruth and stonewalled an investigation

5) number of Americans dead: 1000+

6) should be given four more years as President of the United States

 

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George Bush

 

1) Source was the Central Intelligence Agency

 

2) Backed up by men like John Kerry and Al Gore. Both of which have conducted television interviews in the 1-2 years before the actual war stating that Iraq was a serious threat and something had to be done about it.

 

3) Successful in destroying the regime of a tyrant on par with Stalin and Hitler who murdered several million of his own citizens in a reign spanning 20+ years.

 

 

 

Dan Rather

 

1) Source was a person with an active hatred for the Bush family and someone who detested the National Guard for allegedly screwing him out of medical benefits.

 

2) Backed up by CBS which has a notoriously leftist slant to its news productions and quite possible members of the DNC and Kerry's own campaign.

 

3) Successful in destroying their own reputation and zeroing out any journalistic credibility they still had left.

[Texsox]

George Bush

 

1) Source was the Central Intelligence Agency

 

2) Backed up by men like John Kerry and Al Gore.  Both of which have conducted television interviews in the 1-2 years before the actual war stating that Iraq was a serious threat and something had to be done about it.

 

3) Successful in destroying the regime of a tyrant on par with Stalin and Hitler who murdered several million of his own citizens in a reign spanning 20+ years.

 

 

 

Dan Rather

 

1)  Source was a person with an active hatred for the Bush family and someone who detested the National Guard for allegedly screwing him out of medical benefits.

 

2)  Backed up by CBS which has a notoriously leftist slant to its news productions and quite possible members of the DNC and Kerry's own campaign.

 

3) Successful in destroying their own reputation and zeroing out any journalistic credibility they still had left.

Actually the head of CBS's parent company is backing Bush. Sounds like the RNC may have floated the documents out there, knowing they would be discovered, to make Kerry look bad and they had a willing accomplice in the confirmed right wing run media. Since the report obviously is helping Bush.

[KipWellsFan]

Actually the head of CBS's parent company is backing Bush. Sounds like the RNC may have floated the documents out there, knowing they would be discovered, to make Kerry look bad and they had a willing accomplice in the confirmed right wing run media. Since the report obviously is helping Bush.

That's what I've been thinking all along. I guess when the admnistration lies as much as they do I can't help but be suspicious of them on just about everything.

[EvilMonkey]

Sounds like the RNC may have floated the documents out there, knowing they would be discovered, to make Kerry look bad and they had a willing accomplice in the confirmed right wing run media.

Do you have ANYTHING to back that up? I mean, if the documents came from someone in the Republican party, wouldn't we know about it by now? I am sure that Dan, CBS and the Democrats in general would be turning over every stone to find that vast right-wing conspiritor before the election, wouldn't they? And I mean that as a serious question, not as a slap.

[LowerCaseRepublican]

Do you have ANYTHING to back that up?  I mean, if the documents came from someone in the Republican party, wouldn't we know about it by now?  I am sure that Dan, CBS and the Democrats in general would be turning over every stone to find that vast right-wing conspiritor before the election, wouldn't they?  And I mean that as a serious question, not as a slap.

The New York Post said that local New York political circles and Hill insiders were thinking that the documents could have come from a guy who worked for the Nixon administration and is a big Republican backer (can't remember the name off the top of my head now -- damn staying up all night )

 

But I am getting so f***ing sick of the bulls*** that both candidates are focused on Vietnam. Yes, George W. Bush was born on 3rd and thought he hit a triple. Yes, his daddy used his connections to get Bush into the TANG instead of serving in country. The Vietnam debate should end with the idea that while Kerry was getting shot, Bush was in Texas doing shots.

 

I mean, the Not So Swift Boat Vets have been busted in a s***load of lies and the only TV news that I've seen call them out on it is The Daily Show.

 

The reason both of these candidates are focusing on 'Nam is because neither of them have any issues to run on. They both have the same policy record and the same policy aspirations for foreign and domestic policy. They can't run on catching terrorists because according to The Nation, with the overturning of the recent Detroit court cases, Ashcroft is 0 for 5000 in catching terrorists (in all those arrests right after 9/11) They can't run on making us safer because Al Qaeda is lauding Bush as one of the greatest recruitment officers they ever had saying that they hope he wins the election because "they'll never find a bigger idiot" to help them more than Bush. They can't run on education because No Child Left Behind has been one of the biggest flops ever. Both Kerry and Bush are f***ing idiots.

[LowerCaseRepublican]

George Bush

 

1) Source was the Central Intelligence Agency

 

2) Backed up by men like John Kerry and Al Gore.  Both of which have conducted television interviews in the 1-2 years before the actual war stating that Iraq was a serious threat and something had to be done about it.

 

3) Successful in destroying the regime of a tyrant on par with Stalin and Hitler who murdered several million of his own citizens in a reign spanning 20+ years.

 

 

 

Dan Rather

 

1)  Source was a person with an active hatred for the Bush family and someone who detested the National Guard for allegedly screwing him out of medical benefits.

 

2)  Backed up by CBS which has a notoriously leftist slant to its news productions and quite possible members of the DNC and Kerry's own campaign.

 

3) Successful in destroying their own reputation and zeroing out any journalistic credibility they still had left.

Nuke, the fact remains that Bush used forged memos of Saddam getting nuke material from Africa despite being told by the CIA that the info was not 100% certain and that he should not use it in the SotU speech, but he still used them anyway. The information that Powell used in his UN speech came from Downing Street and ended up being plagiarized from 12 year old work done by a graduate student. If you think that these things could not have been researched and realized, then you're a lot more gullible than I thought. (Let's not forget that Powell called a lot of the evidence "f***ing bulls***" when he met with Bush and Blair the morning of the UN speech)

 

I don't care who backed up the information if they failed to investigate it well. The CIA told Bush not to use the memos for his case and he did. They also told him not to make up a UN Atomic Energy Agency report and cite it as a reason that Saddam was persuing nukes. (Yeah, Bush cited a UNAEA report that does not exist in his evidence for the war) That can be found out and is either a lie or just being lazy in researching for reasons to justify the war.

 

And let's not forget that Ahmed Chalabi, from the Iraqi National Congress, was outed as an Iranian spy and he was also one of the top people giving us intel about the Iraqi "WMD". So, we got the evidence to invade Iraq from an Iranian spy...good to know. (You know...that's on par with a group/person who hates the Republicans...A guy who has a vested interest in the toppling of Iraq giving information to the US that the US refused to investigate well)

 

Bush has destroyed what respect the US has now with his cowboy tactics and imbicilic behavior regarding coming up with reasons for the war. There is the same throughway here.

 

You believe that Rather and CBS have destroyed their reputation with their lax behavior and f***up using the memos yet you believe that Bush's lax behavior and f***up allows him to deserve four more years as the President.

[Texsox]

Do you have ANYTHING to back that up?  I mean, if the documents came from someone in the Republican party, wouldn't we know about it by now?  I am sure that Dan, CBS and the Democrats in general would be turning over every stone to find that vast right-wing conspiritor before the election, wouldn't they?  And I mean that as a serious question, not as a slap.

No, I probably should have put that in green. Of course it was the Kerry and his campaign staff who knew their entire careers would be destroyed when they got caught.

Kerry is in a dead heat, it makes sense for his campaign to put together a plan that would certainly cause him to either lose, or be mired in a Watergate style impeachment when caught. But this makes sense to the right. In fact anything rush says makes sense to the right.

 

Basically the entire American journalism industry have been infiltrated by Democratic operatives in a 50 year program to take over the planet. With secret meetings they have plotted to destroy the GOP party. It's only a matter of time until the CIA finds all the documents and secret decoder rings. In a companion plot, the Democratic party has also taken over the judicial branch of the government.

 

I haven't figured out why all these stations only allow conservative commentators to spend hours and hours every day and why the Viacom's CEO, which owns CBS came out and endorsed Bush. They are crafty aren't they?

[NUKE_CLEVELAND]

No, I probably should have put that in green. Of course it was the Kerry and his campaign staff who knew their entire careers would be destroyed when they got caught.

Kerry is in a dead heat, it makes sense for his campaign to put together a plan that would certainly cause him to either lose, or be mired in a Watergate style impeachment when caught. But this makes sense to the right. In fact anything rush says makes sense to the right.

 

Basically the entire American journalism industry have been infiltrated by Democratic operatives in a 50 year program to take over the planet. With secret meetings they have plotted to destroy the GOP party. It's only a matter of time until the CIA finds all the documents and secret decoder rings.  In a companion plot, the Democratic party has also taken over the judicial branch of the government.

 

I haven't figured out why all these stations only allow conservative commentators to spend hours and hours every day and why the Viacom's CEO, which owns CBS came out and endorsed Bush. They are crafty aren't they?

What stations allow conservative commentators? Fox News? There's a reason why their ratings just slap the s*** out of all the other news networks. That's about the only one unless you count CNN's crossfire. But then you still have James Carville actively participating in the Kerry campaign while trying to stand there and tell people he's not biased as a journalist. Oh please.

 

Dead heat? Most polls nationally show Bush with anywhere from a 5-7 point lead as opposed to bush being slightly behind prior to the convention. Fact is that Kerry's campaign is on the skids. He has no message other than a haranging criticism of the Bush administration, in fact his terrorism proposals were described by CNN as "very bush-like". I also love hearing you people say this was a GOP plot all along. If that's the case then why is it that CBS coordinated with members of the Kerry campaign over this issue. Has Karl Rove infiltrated the DNC as well!? SCANDAL! The Kerry campaign is getting desperate and they latched onto this bulls*** memo thing looking for a magic bullet to discredit Bush and it blew up in their faces.

 

Everyone thought Reagan was the "Teflon President" but I think Bush has claimed that title. With all that has happened from recession to terrorism to war he's still the odds on favorite to win a second term.

[Texsox]

What stations allow conservative commentators?  Fox News?  There's a reason why their ratings just slap the s*** out of all the other news networks.  That's about the only one unless you count CNN's crossfire.  But then you still have James Carville actively participating in the Kerry campaign while trying to stand there and tell people he's not biased as a journalist.  Oh please. 

 

Dead heat?  Most polls nationally show Bush with anywhere from a 5-7 point lead as opposed to bush being slightly behind prior to the convention.  Fact is that Kerry's campaign is on the skids.  He has no message other than a haranging criticism of the Bush administration, in fact his terrorism proposals were described by CNN as "very bush-like". I also love hearing you people say this was a GOP plot all along.  If that's the case then why is it that CBS coordinated with members of the Kerry campaign over this issue.  Has Karl Rove infiltrated the DNC as well!?  SCANDAL! The Kerry campaign is getting desperate and they latched onto this bulls*** memo thing looking for a magic bullet to discredit Bush and it blew up in their faces. 

 

Everyone thought Reagan was the "Teflon President"  but I think Bush has claimed that title.  With all that has happened from recession to terrorism to war he's still the odds on favorite to win a second term.

Nuke, here in the states all of the top ten radio commentators, who spend hours and hours every day 24/7 are conservative. But only a conservative would say a :30 spot on CBS is far greater than all that.

 

Another conservative who believes that journalism should be about ratings and pandering to a conservative agenda, not about seeking truth.

 

Enjoy the government broadcasting system. The GOP have rush, hannity, et. all. making four hour campaign speeches for Bush every day and while complaining about bias in the media. and you guys believe them. LMAO

 

The entire GOP party will be teflon as soon as they finish discrediting any media outlet who dares to criticize. Then you will think we have a better society. No one looking over the GOP's collective shoulders. Enjoy TAAS like coverage from the government. Then we all are screwed.

Edited September 26, 2004 by Texsox