Chisoxfn Posted September 25, 2004 Share Posted September 25, 2004 Now I don't have a clue whether Oakland would buy into this, but its a way to pump our pitching staff and add a grinder type left fielder to the team. This deal would open up the ability to add Beltran or Drew if they wanted and if they added Beltran, the Sox would have in my mind the best defensive outfield in baseball. Anyway, I have my doubts of whether Oakland would give up Eric Byrnes, but they do have Nick Swisher coming up and would get either Konerko or Carlos Lee in the deal. Sox deal Paul Konerko or Carlos Lee, Jon Garland, and a prospect (yes I'd be willing to give them something pretty good or they could go with a guy like Willie Harris if they wanted). The A's deal Barry Zito and Eric Byrnes. Zito steps into the rotation, he's due a raise and I'd hope the Sox would give him a long term contract. Byrnes is a very fast, fun player, that you could use as a leadoff hitter or put in the back part of the order. He's very good defensively, very fast and has a solid OBP (.350, hit 20 HR's, and has a good avg .290. He also stole 15 bases with the A's, so you'd think he'd steal a bit more here). The only reason I see this as a possibility is that Beane could get himself a guy that legitimately can go with Chavez to form a really legit offense. Swisher is going to be there soon in their outfield and I'm sure they'd rather get rid of Dye, but no one is going to take him (for all I know Dye is a free agent at the end of the year and if thats the case its way less likely they'd give up Byrnes). The A's still have Harden, Mulder, Hudson, Redman and then Garland so they got plenty of pittching. Heck, maybe the A's would be more interested in a Konerko or Lee, Garland and Marte swap or Marte, Konerko and a prospect. Either way, I see some components that could make the deal work. The Sox would give up a lot, but theyd' fill some definate needs. Then you add Beltran, you still need to find a 5th starter, but you get a guy who has won a Cy Young, is just 25 or 26 and while he's had a down year, he's still basically hampered by two bad months. And I think Byrnes and Beltran would give Guillen two pretty good players and like I say, that would be an amazing defensive outfield with them two and Rowand in RF. Anyway, just throwing it out there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3E8 Posted September 25, 2004 Share Posted September 25, 2004 I don't think there's room for Konerko on the A's. Maybe as DH? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JimH Posted September 25, 2004 Share Posted September 25, 2004 Jason, Byrnes is exactly the type of player the Sox will be looking for IMO. He's fast, can handle the bat, very good instincts in the outfield. If you ask yourself this question when an opposing player comes to bat: "I hope they can get this pesky pain in the ass out" ... that's the type the White Sox want. Whenever Byrnes comes to bat against the Sox, I always think of him as a pain in the ass. Sort of a backhanded compliment As for Zito, if you were the A's, why would you deal him? He's maybe had a down year this year, but he's certainly a guy who's helped the A's be consistent playoff contenders. They have him locked up, i.e. he won't be a free agent for a few years IIRC. I will say this ... it wouldn't shock me one bit if the Sox brought in a guy to man right field for one year, like a Jermaine Dye. The Sox like guys who have fallen out of favor elsewhere, guys they can pick up on the cheap. Oakland would love to rid themselves of Dye's salary, and you wouldn't have to give up that much to get him. Not necessarily advocating it, but it would not surprise me. Dye can hit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted September 25, 2004 Share Posted September 25, 2004 Byrnes is an absolute stud. I love watching that kid play. What a f***ing grinder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted September 25, 2004 Author Share Posted September 25, 2004 After that the Sox figure out who they want as a 5th starter. They decide whether they want to keep Crede and they could still move someone to open up a spot for Ross Gload if they want to. I don't know if the Sox would deal both Lee and Konerko, but if they did, they could add two good starters, have that outfield with Byrnes/Beltran/Rowand then have Gload at 1B with Thomas DH and Everett kind of a utility guy. Uribe would play SS and instead of acquiring a high profile top of hte order guy, you go with Hairston Jr., who you should be able to acquire. I'd try to get Julio in the package, but who knows. Anyway, just an oddball idea I came up with today. If the Sox acquired Zito, I'd like to see them try and sign a 5th starter (I'm assuming Garland gets dealt) and that would be Jaret Wright at like 5 mill, although their is a definate risk to that. I think Wright is a pretty good pitcher though. But someone in that type of mold, heck Derek Lowe may get that type of money, but he's been pretty much crappy this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted September 25, 2004 Author Share Posted September 25, 2004 I don't think there's room for Konerko on the A's. Maybe as DH? I'd say he'd play first and Hatty would DH. Hatty has improved at 1b, but he's still a liability there defensively. I think Lee would make more sense for them and I think both Lee and Konerko have pretty much equally high trade value. As far as Zito goes, I'm just basing it on him getting a raise and the talk that he is likely to be on the block over the offseason. As far as Terrence Long goes, he's on the Padres. He was part of the Mark Kotsay deal. I think Dye is still there another year or so long term and he gets like 12 mil or something (he has a pretty insane contract). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted September 25, 2004 Author Share Posted September 25, 2004 I should add, but I think if the Sox fail out here, Beane will make at least a few changes to the team to try and get them to win in the playoffs. To me the biggest thing would be adding a bat and getting a stronger bullpen. Marte/Konerko or Lee and then of course Garland could help do that, imo. I mean no offense to Hatty and he's having a good year, but he isn't what I would call a cleanup hitter. And I know I'd love having Byrnes penciled in this lineup every day and Zito...oh ya. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted September 25, 2004 Share Posted September 25, 2004 I'd like the move, however, how much is Zito making? It would have to enough to cancel out the money that either Lee or Konerko make next year. But I do like the trade. That would be a hell of a good move for the Sox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSteve Posted September 25, 2004 Share Posted September 25, 2004 Don't they want to deal Durazo anyways? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JimH Posted September 25, 2004 Share Posted September 25, 2004 Don't they want to deal Durazo anyways? Durazo ... there is a guy the Sox can use. What a great batting eye that guy has. I don't think he can play defense whatsoever though, strictly a DH-type I think? Edit: Wow, guys. Durazo: 53 walks, 101 SO's Byrnes: 43 walks, 103 SO's. Yikes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted September 25, 2004 Author Share Posted September 25, 2004 I'd like the move, however, how much is Zito making? It would have to enough to cancel out the money that either Lee or Konerko make next year. But I do like the trade. That would be a hell of a good move for the Sox. I was thinking he went up to like 6 mill so the salaries wouldn't wash but they would be semi close. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted September 25, 2004 Share Posted September 25, 2004 I was thinking he went up to like 6 mill so the salaries wouldn't wash but they would be semi close. I would like this move. And I guess I just assume the Sox could throw in some cash too to help make up for the money differential. If our OF became Byrnes-Beltran-Rowand, there's a chance that could be better then the Twins OF both defensively and offensively...to put it simply, all 3 can play CF, and can play it pretty well, and all 3 have pretty strong arms from what I remember. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackBetsy Posted September 25, 2004 Share Posted September 25, 2004 I don't think this trade, but mostly for money reasons. Eric Byrnes' salary is only $328,000 this year. He'll be eligible for his first year of arbitration so you can figure he'd get about $1.5-$2.0 million - about the same as Aaron Rowand will get. Zito is a free agent after next year and stands to make about $5 million next year. There is a club option for 2006. So the A's would be trading about $6.5-$7 million for: Carlos Lee will make $8 million next year. There is a club option for $8.5 million for 2006. I don't think Konerko works because the A's already have Durazo and Hatteberg, who Billy Beane loves. Jon Garland is in his second year of arbitration and is likely to make $3 million (I know it's a raise and he doesn't deserve it, but that's the facts, jack) So the A's would be ADDING $4-$4.5 million for Carlos Lee - whose season was only a little bit better than Byrnes' and Jon Garland, who's season was quite a bit worse than Zito's. And the A's don't add payroll like that. And why do you do that trade? It doesn't improve your team. Add that to the fact that Zito is an EXTREME flyball pitcher, and Zito doesn't make much sense in US Cellular. He'd get shelled, and shelled bad in that bandbox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted September 25, 2004 Share Posted September 25, 2004 I would like this move. And I guess I just assume the Sox could throw in some cash too to help make up for the money differential. If our OF became Byrnes-Beltran-Rowand, there's a chance that could be better then the Twins OF both defensively and offensively...to put it simply, all 3 can play CF, and can play it pretty well, and all 3 have pretty strong arms from what I remember. My god would that outfield save our pitchers some runs. Good idea, I like the trade especially if it meant adding beltran. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSteve Posted September 25, 2004 Share Posted September 25, 2004 Durazo ... there is a guy the Sox can use. What a great batting eye that guy has. I don't think he can play defense whatsoever though, strictly a DH-type I think? Edit: Wow, guys. Durazo: 53 walks, 101 SO's Byrnes: 43 walks, 103 SO's. Yikes. I didn't mean we'd get Durazo, I just meant I thought they were shopping him. I could live without him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JimH Posted September 25, 2004 Share Posted September 25, 2004 I didn't mean we'd get Durazo, I just meant I thought they were shopping him. I could live without him. I agree with you Steve, I thought I heard the A's might be shopping him too, and then my memory of watching Durazo was he had really good plate discipline. Then I looked it up and saw he had all those K's. Maybe he just has good plate discipline vs. White Sox pitching? I guess there are exceptions to everything, but I'm getting more and more against adding guys who strike out 100+ times. So yes, I can live without him too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngelasDaddy0427 Posted September 25, 2004 Share Posted September 25, 2004 First off there is no way in hell the A's do a deal with us. I just can't see it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JimH Posted September 25, 2004 Share Posted September 25, 2004 First off there is no way in hell the A's do a deal with us. I just can't see it. The Sox have traded with Oakland several times the past few years, why wouldn't they deal with us? Or is it this particular deal you're referring to? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngelasDaddy0427 Posted September 25, 2004 Share Posted September 25, 2004 Just this deal. Sorry should of been more clear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santo=dorf Posted September 25, 2004 Share Posted September 25, 2004 Actaully makes sense, but what is the situation with Terrence Long and Jermaine Dye? There like same player to me, I can never tell them apart. Same here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted September 25, 2004 Share Posted September 25, 2004 Actaully makes sense, but what is the situation with Terrence Long and Jermaine Dye? There like same player to me, I can never tell them apart. Anyone know there contract stats? I LOVE Byrnes, had him on my fantasy squad last season. The deal could be done. Terrence long is no longer on the a's. He is on the padres and doing quite well actually. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flippedoutpunk Posted September 25, 2004 Share Posted September 25, 2004 That deal makes great sense. Id love to see Mr. Byrnes in a white sox uni Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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