Hatchetman Posted September 25, 2004 Share Posted September 25, 2004 the only move that KW has ever made that got me excited at the time it was made was the colon deal. last offseason was a total snoozefest with everyone saying.."just wait until opening day, kenny's got something up his sleeve.." well, nothing ever happened. so, no, sorry for not being excited. hopefully they will surprise me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSteve Posted September 25, 2004 Share Posted September 25, 2004 the only move that KW has ever made that got me excited at the time it was made was the colon deal. last offseason was a total snoozefest with everyone saying.."just wait until opening day, kenny's got something up his sleeve.." well, nothing ever happened. so, no, sorry for not being excited. hopefully they will surprise me. Nothing happen? Freddy Garcia -- the bets available pitcher? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchetman Posted September 25, 2004 Share Posted September 25, 2004 that happened in the offseason? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSteve Posted September 25, 2004 Share Posted September 25, 2004 that happened in the offseason? No, you said people said to wait til opening day, then you said nothing EVER happen...looks to me that something did happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted September 25, 2004 Share Posted September 25, 2004 I'm approaching this offseason with a certain amount of trepidation. This will be a make or break offseason for the Sox. If they make several moves that fall flat, then we will have lost the core of a solid team and would have one that lands solidly in 4th place. However, this core has failed to win so it is time to attempt to rework things. I think the real key to the success or failure of the offseason will all come down to just how much JR opens the wallet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Tizzle Posted September 25, 2004 Share Posted September 25, 2004 No, you said people said to wait til opening day, then you said nothing EVER happen...looks to me that something did happen. Key word in Poorme's post: "last offseason was a total snoozefest." Proceeding this year there were no significant trades to fix our teams numerous holes. Any hope of reaching a postseason birth was due to the weakness of the AL Central, and not our degree of talent. You misread his post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santo=dorf Posted September 25, 2004 Share Posted September 25, 2004 the only move that KW has ever made that got me excited at the time it was made was the colon deal. last offseason was a total snoozefest with everyone saying.."just wait until opening day, kenny's got something up his sleeve.." well, nothing ever happened. so, no, sorry for not being excited. hopefully they will surprise me. Yeah, let's blame Kenny for f***ing up the A-Rod and Maggs to Boston trade. :rolly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSteve Posted September 25, 2004 Share Posted September 25, 2004 Yeah, let's blame Kenny for f***ing up the A-Rod and Maggs to Boston trade. :rolly I forgot about that. A total snoozefest? We almost traded our best player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santo=dorf Posted September 25, 2004 Share Posted September 25, 2004 I forgot about that. A total snoozefest? We almost traded our best player. And not to mention there was talk of Kenny shopping Maggs to LA for their best pitching prospects and Mota AFTER the A-Rod fiasco, then there was talk about trading Paulie for Odalis Perez, and then we sign Shingo Takatsu in January. Nothing was going on during last offseason. :rolly EDIT: I just remembered how Peter Gammons went on SC talking about trading Frank for Jeff Weaver. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xero Posted September 25, 2004 Share Posted September 25, 2004 (edited) I really wish that this year hadn't turned into such a joke, but yet again - with this core of players, we are left hanging our heads looking forward to another offseason. But actually, I'm really excited about this offseason. For the first time since 2000, or even before that, we're going to see a complete overhaul of this team; a transition to the all-or-nothing team that we've had, to a team filled with more 'baseball players'. Also, for the first time, Kenny is going to have some spending money to work with, so - next years team really will be the Ozzie and Kenny Williams team, in their mold. I've stated that if the Sox don't make the playoffs next season, that should be the last year Kenny Williams is the general manager of this team. I realize that he 'tries', but frankly, trying isn't good enough anymore. No excuses next year. I also think that if we reload this offseason, and fail again next year - not only should Kenny be canned, but Ozzie should probably be canned as well - and we should just start from scratch. Maybe some of you don't want that, but in the long run, that's how a team should be built, IMO. But getting back to the point, there's just so many possibilities this offseason. A lot of interesting players on the trading block - going back to the Soriano rumors, to some of the players in Tampa Bay that might have a chance of being traded, as well as a lot of others. Plus, IMHO - one of Lee or Konerko will definitely be gone this offseason, and both are coming off of great years. We should get a damn good package of players/prospects for either of them. Anyone else share my sentiments? Nevermind... Edited September 25, 2004 by KnuckleSox1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Critic Posted September 25, 2004 Share Posted September 25, 2004 While I'm interested in seeing what happens this offseason, I don't know that "excited" is the word I'd use. With the presumption that either PK or CLee may be dealt, and that Magglio likely won't be re-signed, that means that 2 out of 3 of my favorite Sox players will be gone. Assume as I do that anything the Sox do via free agency will be minor ( and NO, I don't have a crystal ball or anything, I am just pessimistic about the Sox spending money ) and that adds up to another underwhelming offseason. MAN, I hope I'm wrong... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnB Posted September 26, 2004 Share Posted September 26, 2004 I'm excited for the offseason, well because...what else do i have to look forward to baseball-wise? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Socks Posted September 26, 2004 Share Posted September 26, 2004 Stupid trades do not excite me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted September 26, 2004 Share Posted September 26, 2004 That team knows how to play fundamental baseball. Do the sox? It's not even the fundamentals that make them the better team. It's their pitching staff. If you the game is close come the 6th or 7th inning, pack it in, because that bullpen will shut your ass down. Add to that Cy Pedro Santana is over there pitching out of this world, along with Radke and Silva who have both been solid...you see why they win consistently. It has nothing to do with their offense, it has to do completely with their pitching staff. That is one reason I would like to see us have 4 very good relievers in our bullpen...we pretty much need that many to compete with the Twins, which is why I'm not really excited too much about us bringing Politte back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted September 26, 2004 Share Posted September 26, 2004 It's not even the fundamentals that make them the better team. It's their pitching staff. If you the game is close come the 6th or 7th inning, pack it in, because that bullpen will shut your ass down. Add to that Cy Pedro Santana is over there pitching out of this world, along with Radke and Silva who have both been solid...you see why they win consistently. It has nothing to do with their offense, it has to do completely with their pitching staff. That is one reason I would like to see us have 4 very good relievers in our bullpen...we pretty much need that many to compete with the Twins, which is why I'm not really excited too much about us bringing Politte back. I agree with what you have said but i was just throwing another thing out there that the sox really lack. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted September 26, 2004 Share Posted September 26, 2004 We also need a true leadoff hitter. Rowand is more 3,4,5 and Harris speaks for himself. Alomar hasnt impressed me but he knows how its done. Getting a man on base for the power guys would be nice. Lots of solo homers for the sox. Another thing is all the automatic outs in our lineup. Crede, Valentin, Borchard, Harris.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted September 26, 2004 Share Posted September 26, 2004 I really wish that this year hadn't turned into such a joke, but yet again - with this core of players, we are left hanging our heads looking forward to another offseason. But actually, I'm really excited about this offseason. For the first time since 2000, or even before that, we're going to see a complete overhaul of this team; a transition to the all-or-nothing team that we've had, to a team filled with more 'baseball players'. Also, for the first time, Kenny is going to have some spending money to work with, so - next years team really will be the Ozzie and Kenny Williams team, in their mold. I've stated that if the Sox don't make the playoffs next season, that should be the last year Kenny Williams is the general manager of this team. I realize that he 'tries', but frankly, trying isn't good enough anymore. No excuses next year. I also think that if we reload this offseason, and fail again next year - not only should Kenny be canned, but Ozzie should probably be canned as well - and we should just start from scratch. Maybe some of you don't want that, but in the long run, that's how a team should be built, IMO. But getting back to the point, there's just so many possibilities this offseason. A lot of interesting players on the trading block - going back to the Soriano rumors, to some of the players in Tampa Bay that might have a chance of being traded, as well as a lot of others. Plus, IMHO - one of Lee or Konerko will definitely be gone this offseason, and both are coming off of great years. We should get a damn good package of players/prospects for either of them. Anyone else share my sentiments? Ya, I'm excited because the fans showed up this year. It showed White Sox management that if they can build a winner, people will be in the stadium. The stadium will be even nicer next year and hopefully the team will be better. I do expect numerous changes, and I think the payroll will be somewhere between 70 and 80 mill. Go ahead and call me crazy, but from what I read and what not, thats the number that comes to my mind. By the way, does anyone know what the Sox payroll is next year for all the guys under contract? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santo=dorf Posted September 26, 2004 Share Posted September 26, 2004 By the way, does anyone know what the Sox payroll is next year for all the guys under contract? 49.8 million, assuming we pick up Politte's and Shingo's options. http://dugoutdollars.blogspot.com/2003_12_...rs_archive.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted September 26, 2004 Share Posted September 26, 2004 Cool, thanks. Off the top of my head he's missing Contreras and his 6 mill a year and I saw where he had Shingos option at .25 instead of 2.5 million. Dont' know if he did that on anyone else, but that would make it about 58 mill. Then of course you have all the guys that make around 500 K that aren't under contract next plus Garland/Rowand who will make a decent amount...maybe 4 mil between the two and that will put you in the 64-65 mill range (rough estimate). The other player its missing is Everett who will likely accept his option at 4 mill, making it around 68/69 million. My only question is I saw you said 48.9 mill so you may of been counting some of the things I'm counting cause his sheet says 40 mill or so. If its 68/69 its gonna be tough to add much payroll. But if that 8 mill you had is me counting over twice, then all of a sudden it gives them about 16 mill to throw around if they have a 75 mill payroll or so. Hopefully this makes sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted September 26, 2004 Share Posted September 26, 2004 Also, one other quick thing, but what the hell is the 7.55 mill in benefits???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted September 26, 2004 Share Posted September 26, 2004 Going back to the original post in this thread....... No, I am not excited about this offseason. I truly think that it is going to get worse before it gets better. I see the Sox in a transition period. Unfortunately, you won't see a complete overhaul and trying to improve via patchwork will once again fail in my opinion. I really think next year will be a longer year than this one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted September 26, 2004 Share Posted September 26, 2004 Cool, thanks. Off the top of my head he's missing Contreras and his 6 mill a year and I saw where he had Shingos option at .25 instead of 2.5 million. Dont' know if he did that on anyone else, but that would make it about 58 mill. Then of course you have all the guys that make around 500 K that aren't under contract next plus Garland/Rowand who will make a decent amount...maybe 4 mil between the two and that will put you in the 64-65 mill range (rough estimate). The other player its missing is Everett who will likely accept his option at 4 mill, making it around 68/69 million. My only question is I saw you said 48.9 mill so you may of been counting some of the things I'm counting cause his sheet says 40 mill or so. If its 68/69 its gonna be tough to add much payroll. But if that 8 mill you had is me counting over twice, then all of a sudden it gives them about 16 mill to throw around if they have a 75 mill payroll or so. Hopefully this makes sense. http://home.earthlink.net/~pdave/id2.html Little easier to understand than dug out dollars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted September 26, 2004 Share Posted September 26, 2004 Note that Everett's option is actually $4.5 million, because a 2006 team option is activated when he exercises the 2005 option. The 2006 option is for $5 million or a $500k buyout. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted September 26, 2004 Share Posted September 26, 2004 Note that Everett's option is actually $4.5 million, because a 2006 team option is activated when he exercises the 2005 option. The 2006 option is for $5 million or a $500k buyout. -Carl Everett-2-Year-7.5M w/ 2006 5M option-$3 million for one year, $7.5 million for two seasons or $12 million for three years. He receives a $3 million salary in 2004 and a $4 million player option for 2005. If he exercises it, team would get a $5 million team option for 2006 with a $500,000 buyout-ChiSox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted September 26, 2004 Share Posted September 26, 2004 Alright, screw it. I got time tongiht to figure this out roughly. Uribe - 700 K Harris - 500 K Adkins - 300 K Mark Buehrle - 6 mill Jamie Burke - 300 K Neal Cotts - 300 K Crede - 350 K Ben Davis - 1 mill (rough estimate on my part - one version will have him not included) Freddy Garcia - 9 mill Garland - 3.5 mil (estimate) Gload - 400 K Konerko - 8.75 mill Lee - 8 mill Marte - 1.25 mill Politte - 1.3 mill Timo - 750 K (one estimate will not count his salary) Rowand - 750 K Shingo - 2.5 mill Frank - 8 mill Carl Everett - 4 mill Jose Contreras - 6 mill I left out Diaz and Munoz but you could count them if you wanted and that would be an extra 600 K or so. This counts a total of 21 players on the roster. With Diaz and Munoz that would be 23 players. Total Payroll (Counting all 21) - $63.38 Million Total Payroll (Counting 19 - Timo and Ben Davis not counted) - $61.63 Million Total Payroll (Counting all 23) - $63.98 This means, with a 75 mill payroll the Sox would have either: A) 12.12 million B ) 13.87 million C) 11.52 million Anyway, I think thats really really accurate, but I'll give time for someone to double check that if they want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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