Chisoxfn Posted September 26, 2004 Share Posted September 26, 2004 Note that Everett's option is actually $4.5 million, because a 2006 team option is activated when he exercises the 2005 option. The 2006 option is for $5 million or a $500k buyout. Ya, but wouldn't you not count the buyout in this years salary since technically it is a decision that won't be made till the next season? Although I would be shocked if the Sox exercised his 2006 option. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted September 26, 2004 Share Posted September 26, 2004 Konerko - 8 mill Marte - 1.5 mill Rowand - 750 K Konerko is 8.75. Marte is 1.25 Rowand is do arbitrarion i think and he will get 1.5 to 2.5 million most likely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted September 26, 2004 Share Posted September 26, 2004 -Carl Everett-2-Year-7.5M w/ 2006 5M option-$3 million for one year, $7.5 million for two seasons or $12 million for three years. He receives a $3 million salary in 2004 and a $4 million player option for 2005. If he exercises it, team would get a $5 million team option for 2006 with a $500,000 buyout-ChiSox Right, that says exactly what I did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted September 26, 2004 Share Posted September 26, 2004 Konerko is 8.75. Marte is 1.25 Rowand is do arbitrarion i think and he will get 1.5 to 2.5 million most likely. Oh, my bad on Konerko...I was thinking he was 8.75 if traded, but it must be 9.25 if traded? As far as Rowand goes, he made like 350 this year and unless the rules changed I thought you couldn't have more then a doubling of salary via arbitration, which would mean he goes to 700 K. I could be wrong though. I'm gonna edit my salary post though so its more accurate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted September 26, 2004 Share Posted September 26, 2004 As far as Rowand goes, he made like 350 this year and unless the rules changed I thought you couldn't have more then a doubling of salary via arbitration, which would mean he goes to 700 K. ''Eric Byrnes' salary is only $328,000 this year. He'll be eligible for his first year of arbitration so you can figure he'd get about $1.5-$2.0 million - about the same as Aaron Rowand will get.'' Is what black betsy said in New Trade Idea, Add a good pitcher and a "grinder" thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted September 26, 2004 Share Posted September 26, 2004 Alright, screw it. I got time tongiht to figure this out roughly. Uribe - 700 K Harris - 500 K Adkins - 300 K Mark Buehrle - 6 mill Jamie Burke - 300 K Neal Cotts - 300 K Crede - 350 K Ben Davis - 1 mill (rough estimate on my part - one version will have him not included) Freddy Garcia - 9 mill Garland - 3.5 mil (estimate) Gload - 400 K Konerko - 8 mill Lee - 8 mill Marte - 1.5 mill Politte - 1.3 mill Timo - 750 K (one estimate will not count his salary) Rowand - 750 K Shingo - 2.5 mill Frank - 8 mill Carl Everett - 4 mill Jose Contreras - 6 mill I left out Diaz and Munoz but you could count them if you wanted and that would be an extra 600 K or so. This counts a total of 21 players on the roster. With Diaz and Munoz that would be 23 players. Total Payroll (Counting all 21) - $62.88 Million Total Payroll (Counting 19 - Timo and Ben Davis not counted) - $61.13 Million Total Payroll (Counting all 23) - $63.48 This means, with a 75 mill payroll the Sox would have either: A) 12.12 million B ) 13.87 million C) 11.52 million Anyway, I think thats really really accurate, but I'll give time for someone to double check that if they want. This is very arbitrary, but guys like Cotts, Adkins, etc. will make more than $300k. They will likely be in the $3325-$350k range. Adkins could be slightly higher. Davis made $1.4 mil, so I'd expect him to get $1.5-$2 mil. Crede will be closer to $400k. I had Rowand at $1.2 mil, but it could be higher. I didn't include Timo because I really don't think that he will be back. I know trades may be made, but I can't see them coming back with Timo, ARow, Everett and Lee in the OF. My guess is you will see two new OF's next year, along with one starter, one bullpen guy and one infielder. I figured 20 players at $63.2 mil, so we are in the same neighborhood regardless. I know the extra 15 guys on the 40-man roster don't add that much, but they can't be forgotten. It may add an extra 1-2 million. The question is........ Is it realistic for the payroll to be higher than $70 million, not counting taxes, insurance, etc? What about deferred money from any previous contracts? Is Frank due any deferred money from the past? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted September 26, 2004 Share Posted September 26, 2004 Davis made $1.4 mil, so I'd expect him to get $1.5-$2 mil. dd that much, but they can't be forgotten. It may add an extra 1-2 million. He is actually doing worse than his career stats so i highly doubt he gets a raise. 1 million dollars is more than sufficent for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted September 26, 2004 Share Posted September 26, 2004 Ya, but wouldn't you not count the buyout in this years salary since technically it is a decision that won't be made till the next season? Although I would be shocked if the Sox exercised his 2006 option. You're right the extra half million doesn't hit this year's books, but it is a real cost associated with the option exercised this year. If Carl exercises his option, you can look at it as paying him $4.5 million or $4 million this year and then layiung a half million dollars on the ground and then just pissing on it next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted September 26, 2004 Share Posted September 26, 2004 He is actually doing worse than his career stats so i highly doubt he gets a raise. 1 million dollars is more than sufficent for him. Very few players take pay cuts........ Don't expect it here if the Sox plan to keep him. Now, if they non-tender him and allow him to become a free agent, then he very well may get less. But that won't happen if he stays with the Sox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted September 26, 2004 Share Posted September 26, 2004 I don't think Frank is. I think they pretty much deferred all his money for once his contract is up. Thats what his renegotiation did. I could be wrong though. I'm trying to look up the arbitration rules, but I swear you could only double your salary at the most. I didn't know about Davis, but for a guy that struggled to hit, I just didn't see him get a pay increase and figured a little bit of a discount would of been realistic. Another person that was hard to guess was Garland. I didn't know what the Sox would do for some of their younger players since they aren't arbitration eligible, which means they can basically offer them what they want. Either way, I think were pretty close and to be honest unless they are going to go 80 mill, I can't see them filling all they want to without dealing Konerko or Lee. I agree with you on them adding at least one more outfielder (I think after that Everett and Gload are going to get a shot in LF if Lee goes). Timo should be gone. Borchard may not be amazing, but he is cheap and is versatile off the bench. I still think the big changes come with at least one new starter (two if Garland is dealt), one good reliever, and a few middle infielders (I don't see Willie starting next year, but Juan will and I see Crede gone). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted September 26, 2004 Share Posted September 26, 2004 I don't see Crede going anywhere........ unless he goes in a bigger trade. The Sox won't just give up on him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted September 26, 2004 Share Posted September 26, 2004 Very few players take pay cuts........ Don't expect it here if the Sox plan to keep him. Now, if they non-tender him and allow him to become a free agent, then he very well may get less. But that won't happen if he stays with the Sox. I was assuming the Sox would a sign him before going to arbitration (i have heard they already have a "handshake" deal) and that he would take a bit of a pay cut. Otherwise I bet they offer him arb, he accepts and the Sox put in a bid at the max pay cut, which I think is 20% of what he was currently making (ie a 20% paycut). But your right Rex, very very very few players actually get pay cuts via arbitration. The only way they do is when they end up going to another team via free agency. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted September 26, 2004 Share Posted September 26, 2004 I don't see Crede going anywhere........ unless he goes in a bigger trade. The Sox won't just give up on him. If he is batting 8th or ninth i have no problem with him but anything higher than that is bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted September 26, 2004 Share Posted September 26, 2004 If he is batting 8th or ninth i have no problem with him but anything higher than that is bad. If he gives an indication that he is making adjustments to his swing and what not, I have no problem. While I've been very harsh on Crede lately, I still like the guy and hope he can turn it around. He plays a good 3rd base, has power and isn't really a stathead looking for the hit. He seems like a guy willing to move the guy over and what not for the team. I just hate his long swing. You throw him a fastball above the belt and he ain't going to catch it if its 93 plus, imo, or at least not often. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted September 26, 2004 Share Posted September 26, 2004 Hey Jas, just out of curiosity............ where in the hell did you pick up the phrase "and what not"?? You have been using that the last month or two in every other post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted September 26, 2004 Share Posted September 26, 2004 Hey Jas, just out of curiosity............ where in the hell did you pick up the phrase "and what not"?? You have been using that the last month or two in every other post. I dunno, but I've been known to get into grooves with certain phrases or expressions. They last a month or two, then I find a new one It mainly stems from my laziness to type more, I figure people get the gist of it. The other thing I'm saying a whole lot is "crap". Basically in regards to all the stuff I've been stuck doing as of late. Not that you asked, lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted September 26, 2004 Share Posted September 26, 2004 I dunno, but I've been known to get into grooves with certain phrases or expressions. They last a month or two, then I find a new one It mainly stems from my laziness to type more, I figure people get the gist of it. The other thing I'm saying a whole lot is "crap". Basically in regards to all the stuff I've been stuck doing as of late. Not that you asked, lol. Not that I am your grammar teacher or anything, but keep such phrases out of your future sox pieces. I am not sure if you have done that or not, but just make sure you differentiate between casual posting and site articles. And if you have funds, I'd be happy to take some of the workload off your hand. I have some free time these days. LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Socks Posted September 26, 2004 Share Posted September 26, 2004 Not that I am your grammar teacher or anything, but keep such phrases out of your future sox pieces. I am not sure if you have done that or not, but just make sure you differentiate between casual posting and site articles. And if you have funds, I'd be happy to take some of the workload off your hand. I have some free time these days. LOL Hey, Rex: Which is more correct, "whatnot" or "what not?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted September 26, 2004 Share Posted September 26, 2004 Not that I am your grammar teacher or anything, I think Dan's on top of that job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted September 26, 2004 Share Posted September 26, 2004 Hey, Rex: Which is more correct, "whatnot" or "what not?" What about what-not? :rolly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted September 27, 2004 Share Posted September 27, 2004 I am not excited about the offseason. I do not trust KW. The offseason is the worst time of the year. Best day of the year: tie, Opening Day and Easter. Worst day of the year: Oct. 2, end of regular season. Baseball season means sunshine and baseball. Offseason means ice storms and cold and no Sox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted September 27, 2004 Share Posted September 27, 2004 We are the kings of the offseason!! Each year we have gone into Spring Training #1 How can you not love that?? It's the regular season we suck at. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bulokis Posted September 27, 2004 Share Posted September 27, 2004 If he is batting 8th or ninth i have no problem with him but anything higher than that is bad. We have 2 players that can get us 20 HRs or more but with low avg. in Valentin and Crede. I would rather see Crede stay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
israel4ever Posted September 27, 2004 Share Posted September 27, 2004 I hate to be the "eternal pessimist", but as a fan since 1972< I know that the offseason will be uneventful, as usual! They will make half-assed offers free agents and will get inevitably outbid by millions of dollars. Than JR will "cry poor" and blame the fans because they didn't show up to support a below-average team. Our FA acquisitions will be of the talent level of most teams' utility players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LosMediasBlancas Posted September 27, 2004 Share Posted September 27, 2004 I hate to be Mr. Gloom, but I'm ready to get excited about all the possible things JR could do and be dissapointed by how few of them actually happen. The Sox will throw out big names and claim to be 'interested' in them, just to stir up fan interest, sell tix and then go out and get 'B List' guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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