Jake Posted September 26, 2004 Share Posted September 26, 2004 Anyone notice we never draft any hard throwers? I got really excited about McCarthy because with his size I thought he'd be a flamethrower. Maybe when he fills out he'll throw harder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goober Posted September 26, 2004 Share Posted September 26, 2004 (edited) Anyone notice we never draft any hard throwers? I got really excited about McCarthy because with his size I thought he'd be a flamethrower. Maybe when he fills out he'll throw harder. Flash Tizzle notices i guess hard throwers arent in the sox plans, which is bad Edited September 26, 2004 by Tmar28 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 26, 2004 Share Posted September 26, 2004 Didn't the Sox draft a project guy this year with a near 100 mph fastball but zero control? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted September 26, 2004 Share Posted September 26, 2004 Yea, I think Nick Lemon I believe, but I'm probably wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JimH Posted September 26, 2004 Share Posted September 26, 2004 If anything, the Sox are guilty of drafting too many hard throwers and not enough guys who pound the strike zone. The guy Mike is referring to is Nick Lemon, 8th round draft choice who can supposedly get his fastball to 98. But, he's extremely wild. Dan Wright, Wyatt Allen, Jason Stumm, Rob Purvis, Kyle Kane, Corwin Malone, Brian Sager are among the many, many hard throwers the White Sox have drafted in recent years who haven't panned out for one reason or another. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 26, 2004 Share Posted September 26, 2004 Thanks for the name guys, I knew you all would be on it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted September 26, 2004 Author Share Posted September 26, 2004 i look through our drafts and see about 95% 90 mph throwers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farmteam Posted September 26, 2004 Share Posted September 26, 2004 Hmm. I'd rather have guys that can throw strikes than someone who can throw 98...though getting the best of both worlds would be nice. Also, doesn't Nachreiner throw pretty hard? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchetman Posted September 26, 2004 Share Posted September 26, 2004 i dunno about when we draft them, but they sure as hell don't throw hard by the time they make it to the majors. who's the last player we drafted that made it to the majors and threw a legit 95 mph? maybe danny wright? who else? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted September 26, 2004 Share Posted September 26, 2004 i look through our drafts and see about 95% 90 mph throwers. That's because 90% of pitchers throw 90 mph or less, especially out of HS and college. Don't be duped by all the scouting reports. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodAsGould Posted September 27, 2004 Share Posted September 27, 2004 the guy we traded to texas i think throws upper 90's francisco rodriguez or whatevr... you know the guy that threw a chair at a fan... he would of been awesome in our bullpen this year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted September 27, 2004 Share Posted September 27, 2004 Also, doesn't Nachreiner throw pretty hard? Yeah a mid 90's fastball from what I've heard. Might hav to check the futuresox archives to be sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted September 27, 2004 Share Posted September 27, 2004 the guy we traded to texas i think throws upper 90's francisco rodriguez or whatevr... you know the guy that threw a chair at a fan... he would of been awesome in our bullpen this year You would be thinking of frankie fransico. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palehosefan Posted September 27, 2004 Share Posted September 27, 2004 Our problem definitely isn't drafting too many power arms, we just can't develop the one's we draft. They end up with arm trouble, or they change their delivery to become another 90mph pitcher that doesn't have much room for error. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Tizzle Posted September 27, 2004 Share Posted September 27, 2004 the guy we traded to texas i think throws upper 90's francisco rodriguez or whatevr... you know the guy that threw a chair at a fan... he would of been awesome in our bullpen this year The White Sox organization has gone to great lengths to preserve their dream of a 2008 pitching staff consisting of 8 Felix Diaz clones. Rodriguez puts that dream in jeopardy. -KW calls pitcher Frankie Rodriguez in his office for an important meeting. "Mr Rodriguez: I have reviewed your progress and have emassed concern over your velocity. Scouting reports are registering your fastball as 95, 96, 97 mph. I regret to inform you but a player of your caliber has no place on our roster. Currently, my organization collectively believes velocity has no direct correlation with success in this league. We're confident major league hitters have difficulty catching up to 90 mph heat, and holding off weak sliders. Sit down and watch this 'best of video' I've been studying the last few days. (pops in Greg Maddux VHS tape into VCR) See! You don't need to throw hard to get outs. Velocity is vastly overrated, and when you witness my vision from afar you will curse the day god blessed you with a live arm." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Honda Civic Posted September 27, 2004 Share Posted September 27, 2004 Is this WSI? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Tizzle Posted September 27, 2004 Share Posted September 27, 2004 Is this WSI? NO. /This Thread Sucks. Drillrod. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Honda Civic Posted September 27, 2004 Share Posted September 27, 2004 NO. /This Thread Sucks. Drillrod. I hate how everyone over there posts the picture of [insert white sox figure] and then post an incredibly useful statement... It would be funny if there weren't people who only posted like that, and entire threads weren't devoted to putting wirds in anothers mouth --- /not trying to start something cuz I still laughed, but then I thought, wait, I hope this doesn't turn into WSI. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Tizzle Posted September 27, 2004 Share Posted September 27, 2004 /not trying to start something cuz I still laughed, but then I thought, wait, I hope this doesn't turn into WSI. No offense taken. I can understand how some may find it annoying since nothing of value is added to a thread where someone puts words under a picture. Anything suggestions made to seperate Soxtalk from WSI will be held in the highest regard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted September 27, 2004 Share Posted September 27, 2004 the guy we traded to texas i think throws upper 90's francisco rodriguez or whatevr... you know the guy that threw a chair at a fan... he would of been awesome in our bullpen this year He would have been in Birmingham all year. No way he would have smelled Chicago. The opportunity wasn't there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted September 27, 2004 Share Posted September 27, 2004 He would have been in Birmingham all year. No way he would have smelled Chicago. The opportunity wasn't there. Which makes no sense to me. How was he no better than cotts, adkins, and mike f***ing jackson? Going into the year our bullpen was really no better than the rangers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yoda Posted September 27, 2004 Share Posted September 27, 2004 (pops in Greg Maddux VHS tape into VCR) See! You don't need to throw hard to get outs. Velocity is vastly overrated, and when you witness my vision from afar you will curse the day god blessed you with a live arm." Greg Maddux is a good example showing that pitchers don't have to throw 92+ mph to get outs. Ground outs and fly outs will get you the same thing as strikeouts: Outs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Tizzle Posted September 27, 2004 Share Posted September 27, 2004 Greg Maddux is a good example showing that pitchers don't have to throw 92+ mph to get outs. Ground outs and fly outs will get you the same thing as strikeouts: Outs. Greg Maddux is an exemption to the rule. Throw below 92 mph you damn well better have a good repetoire. All of 'Mad Dog's" pitches have moment, change in speed, and pinpoint accuracy. Rarely in an at bat will you have a pitch directly over the middle unless its a mistake. My concern is our entire minor league organization is full of soft tossers with mediocre stuff. Felix Diaz can't expect to fool hitters with his straight 91 mph fastball when his breaking ball is flat, or Arnie Munoz and his SLLLLOOOWWW curveball. Yesterday I was watching Oakland vs. Anaheim and proceeding the removal of Mark Mulder walks a rookie pitching in his second game. Name: Joe Blanton. After pitching 3+ innings, striking out 3 and giving up 1 ER (Rhodes fault) I was close to writing a profanity laced post. This guys delivery/ "stuff" is strikingly similar to Jeff Bajenaru, yet Man Hands could barely work one inning of work in any of his outings. Did Anaheim not destroy Bajenaru when his pitched against them a few weeks ago? This is becoming insane. I bet if Blanton were to be traded to the White Sox he'd immediately give up 3 straight HR's. How many times do I have to watch Minnesota, Anaheim, or Oakland draft and quickly develop a stud pitcher? Where's our Duscherer, Harden, F. Rodriguez, Rincon, Romero? You would think, by chance, some wild card prospect would rise through the system and quickly earn their spot on the team. Maybe BMAC is that special individual we've been waiting for. I'll tell you this: if he is promoted to the major leagues and fails, or has any sort of setback leading up to his arrival someone needs to be fired. This is our number #1 pitching prospect. There's no one else within 3 years of arriving on the Sox and our organization needs proof its capable of developing talented pitching. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JimH Posted September 27, 2004 Share Posted September 27, 2004 Interesting note ... Sox were interested in Blanton on draft day (in his draft year) and I think they took ... Honel? Or was it Royce Ring? Anyway, Blanton was a guy they had their eye on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackie hayes Posted September 27, 2004 Share Posted September 27, 2004 Interesting note ... Sox were interested in Blanton on draft day (in his draft year) and I think they took ... Honel? Or was it Royce Ring? Anyway, Blanton was a guy they had their eye on. Ring, I'm pretty sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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