Soxfest Posted March 22, 2003 Share Posted March 22, 2003 I am disappointed Rauch did not step up and win a spot in the rotation, I really thought with a year past surgery he would step up and show his potential. It is getting close to the crossroads time for him at 24 being a major prospect are indeed dimming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
method Posted March 22, 2003 Share Posted March 22, 2003 I am disappointed Rauch did not step up and win a spot in the rotation, I really thought with a year past surgery he would step up and show his potential. It is getting close to the crossroads time for him at 24 being a major prospect are indeed dimming. Rauch hasnt really pitcher in a regular full season since 2000. Lets see if he can go to AAA and work out whatever is effecting his consistency. If he cant i say hes prime trade bait... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwsox Posted March 22, 2003 Share Posted March 22, 2003 Some players develop a little later than others. The Big Unit wasn't s*** at Rauch's age. I wish he had developed a little more but again, remember that MB and Colon will be pitching 20 something out of the first 50 something games because of the way the schedule falls. So Rauch would be bench sitting if he made it this spring. Better to let him keping developing by pitching. We'll see him this year and I woudln;t risk losing him for anything, nor be in despair. That is why we got Loaiza, just in this this was so, so I'm glad it has worked out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Fainter Posted March 22, 2003 Share Posted March 22, 2003 Regarding Rauch, look on the bright side. He is a breaking ball pitcher who struggled a bit in the thin desert air of Tucson. Give him five or six starts in Charlotte, he should regain his sharpness. Any team would love to trade for him, just like in the case of Kip Wells in 2001 when he was struggling with us. He will prove to be a bona fide big league pitcher , in my humble opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bmr31 Posted March 22, 2003 Share Posted March 22, 2003 Regarding Rauch, look on the bright side. He is a breaking ball pitcher who struggled a bit in the thin desert air of Tucson. Give him five or six starts in Charlotte, he should regain his sharpness. Any team would love to trade for him, just like in the case of Kip Wells in 2001 when he was struggling with us. He will prove to be a bona fide big league pitcher , in my humble opinion. Please, if we do trade Rauch, can we get more than Ritchie??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted March 22, 2003 Share Posted March 22, 2003 Would people be interested in putting together a package for someone like Aj Burnett? I'd say Rauch is the kind of guy that could intrigue the Marlins to the point. Of course, Burnett could end up having some sort of arm injury. Still, with a guy like Rauch on the table, we could use it to get us a pretty talented pitcher. Maybe we could go for a lesser pitcher like Penny and Castillo (2nd Baseman) Now that being said, lets remember Rauch is a predominantly breaking ball pitcher and that pitch just doesn't work in Arizona. Its why White is getting hit hard and it was a big reason Rauch was. In Rauch's case it wasn't likely the only reason. Jon still has some things to do down in the minors. I'm hoping he isn't an overhyped prospect. I think he can do it cause he has a great hook and can spot his pitches, but he has to work on developing his other pitches to go with the fastball and curve. The fastball is nothing special so he has to have great location and then develop other stuff so he keeps hitters off balance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwsox Posted March 22, 2003 Share Posted March 22, 2003 Regarding Rauch <clip> He will prove to be a bona fide big league pitcher , in my humble opinion. Rauch will be a real player, in my opinion, just need to let him develop. He will be worth the wait. And he is untouchable trade wise as far as I am concerned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
method Posted March 22, 2003 Share Posted March 22, 2003 Would people be interested in putting together a package for someone like Aj Burnett? I'd say Rauch is the kind of guy that could intrigue the Marlins to the point. Of course, Burnett could end up having some sort of arm injury. Still, with a guy like Rauch on the table, we could use it to get us a pretty talented pitcher. Maybe we could go for a lesser pitcher like Penny and Castillo (2nd Baseman) Now that being said, lets remember Rauch is a predominantly breaking ball pitcher and that pitch just doesn't work in Arizona. Its why White is getting hit hard and it was a big reason Rauch was. In Rauch's case it wasn't likely the only reason. Jon still has some things to do down in the minors. I'm hoping he isn't an overhyped prospect. I think he can do it cause he has a great hook and can spot his pitches, but he has to work on developing his other pitches to go with the fastball and curve. The fastball is nothing special so he has to have great location and then develop other stuff so he keeps hitters off balance. AJ Burnett would take a LOT more then rauch... AJ is the real deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted March 22, 2003 Share Posted March 22, 2003 I know he is, but a package starting with Rauch could potentially get it done. I like Rauch a lot, but if I were to give him up, I'd want to find a way to get a real legit front line guy and Burnett is wicked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted March 23, 2003 Share Posted March 23, 2003 Regarding Rauch, look on the bright side. He is a breaking ball pitcher who struggled a bit in the thin desert air of Tucson. Give him five or six starts in Charlotte, he should regain his sharpness. Any team would love to trade for him, just like in the case of Kip Wells in 2001 when he was struggling with us. He will prove to be a bona fide big league pitcher , in my humble opinion. Rauch is not a breaking ball pitcher. He relies on the location of his fastball and has decent offspeed stuff to go with it, but his fastball is his key. I am not convinced Rauch will ever be what everyone expects him to be. He was great while in Birmingham, but there was always something in the back of my head that held me back from really jumping on the bandwagon at the time. His success in the Olympics further stifled those doubts. Unfortunately after the past few years, they are beginning to come back. It just semmed like there was something he didn't have that I could never put a finger on. The focus has always been on his height. My guess is that if everything to this point remained the same, but he was 6'2 or 6'3 he would almost be forgotten. Maybe that is going a bit overboard, but it is the feeling I get. All of that said, I think there is still a possiblity for him to be a solid if not great big league pitcher. I am just not 100% sold on him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CubKilla Posted March 23, 2003 Share Posted March 23, 2003 All of that said, I think there is still a possiblity for him to be a solid if not great big league pitcher. I am just not 100% sold on him. I'm beginning to agree with you. It's just that he looked real good at the end of 2002 in two games against the Twins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted March 23, 2003 Share Posted March 23, 2003 Would people be interested in putting together a package for someone like Aj Burnett? I'd say Rauch is the kind of guy that could intrigue the Marlins to the point. Of course, Burnett could end up having some sort of arm injury. Still, with a guy like Rauch on the table, we could use it to get us a pretty talented pitcher. Maybe we could go for a lesser pitcher like Penny and Castillo (2nd Baseman) Now that being said, lets remember Rauch is a predominantly breaking ball pitcher and that pitch just doesn't work in Arizona. Its why White is getting hit hard and it was a big reason Rauch was. In Rauch's case it wasn't likely the only reason. Jon still has some things to do down in the minors. I'm hoping he isn't an overhyped prospect. I think he can do it cause he has a great hook and can spot his pitches, but he has to work on developing his other pitches to go with the fastball and curve. The fastball is nothing special so he has to have great location and then develop other stuff so he keeps hitters off balance. AJ Burnett would take a LOT more then rauch... AJ is the real deal. AJ was injured at the end of last year....and is sore again this spring(I believe....I know he has been hurt a little). His opening day start is in question, I know that. I don't want to trade for AJ just yet....with Torberg and his past mishandling of pitchers in the season....it scares me. I just don't really want to trade for any of the Marlins's pitchers, in all reality, except maybe Josh Beckett is that chance ever came up. If we got Josh Beckett cheap....pigs would be flying Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
method Posted March 23, 2003 Share Posted March 23, 2003 Would people be interested in putting together a package for someone like Aj Burnett? I'd say Rauch is the kind of guy that could intrigue the Marlins to the point. Of course, Burnett could end up having some sort of arm injury. Still, with a guy like Rauch on the table, we could use it to get us a pretty talented pitcher. Maybe we could go for a lesser pitcher like Penny and Castillo (2nd Baseman) Now that being said, lets remember Rauch is a predominantly breaking ball pitcher and that pitch just doesn't work in Arizona. Its why White is getting hit hard and it was a big reason Rauch was. In Rauch's case it wasn't likely the only reason. Jon still has some things to do down in the minors. I'm hoping he isn't an overhyped prospect. I think he can do it cause he has a great hook and can spot his pitches, but he has to work on developing his other pitches to go with the fastball and curve. The fastball is nothing special so he has to have great location and then develop other stuff so he keeps hitters off balance. AJ Burnett would take a LOT more then rauch... AJ is the real deal. AJ was injured at the end of last year....and is sore again this spring(I believe....I know he has been hurt a little). His opening day start is in question, I know that. I don't want to trade for AJ just yet....with Torberg and his past mishandling of pitchers in the season....it scares me. I just don't really want to trade for any of the Marlins's pitchers, in all reality, except maybe Josh Beckett is that chance ever came up. If we got Josh Beckett cheap....pigs would be flying LOL, Pigs, cows, hippos.... AJ has had lots of questions about his health in the past... but hes worked thru them... with that said hes taken quite a workload over the last 3-4 years... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted March 23, 2003 Author Share Posted March 23, 2003 Rauch is hardly untouchable, a guy who cannot make team out of ST is Very tradeable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted March 23, 2003 Share Posted March 23, 2003 Regarding Rauch, look on the bright side. He is a breaking ball pitcher who struggled a bit in the thin desert air of Tucson. Give him five or six starts in Charlotte, he should regain his sharpness. Any team would love to trade for him, just like in the case of Kip Wells in 2001 when he was struggling with us. He will prove to be a bona fide big league pitcher , in my humble opinion. Rauch is not a breaking ball pitcher. He relies on the location of his fastball and has decent offspeed stuff to go with it, but his fastball is his key. I am not convinced Rauch will ever be what everyone expects him to be. He was great while in Birmingham, but there was always something in the back of my head that held me back from really jumping on the bandwagon at the time. His success in the Olympics further stifled those doubts. Unfortunately after the past few years, they are beginning to come back. It just semmed like there was something he didn't have that I could never put a finger on. The focus has always been on his height. My guess is that if everything to this point remained the same, but he was 6'2 or 6'3 he would almost be forgotten. Maybe that is going a bit overboard, but it is the feeling I get. All of that said, I think there is still a possiblity for him to be a solid if not great big league pitcher. I am just not 100% sold on him. You know what Rex, I'm really starting to be on your side. I think about all the pitchers that get overhyped, etc, and this guy has to be one of them. Now from what I saw out of him when he was with the Sox in the majors, he had a fantastic curve ball, but this guy is going to have to make use of a couple secondary pitches and have good control of all of them to succeed. It isn't like has an amazing fastball. Maybe it really was a bit better before his surgery, but the movement doesn't really seem to be there and thats what scares me. I don't care how hard a guy throws, you need movement, it makes it so much easier on a pitcher. I hate it when I get hunches like this, especially because last year I was pretty high on him, but I think I may of been seeing what I wanted to think. For that reason, this could be the one guy where if we could get a really good proven pitcher thats still young, where it would be worth dealing him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1549 Posted March 23, 2003 Share Posted March 23, 2003 except maybe Josh Beckett is that chance ever came up. If we got Josh Beckett cheap....pigs would be flying Beckett is by far my favorite of the Marlins pitchers. Beckett puts up 9 k's per 9 IP and he doesn't do it by throwing 100, he is 93, 94, he just pitches so damn well at such a young age...If only those damn blisters on his fingers would go away. I think the White Sox should trade Stewart, Paul, Glover, Almonte for Beckett and Ramon Castro. Then have Castro be the starting catcher for everyone but Colon--let Alomar catch Colon. Castro is a guy that could hit 20 HR in full season of work, his defense is good to, but apparently Florida is not big on him because they didn't play him much last year--even with CJ's struggles--and because they got I-Rod, Castro will be sitting on the bench as a 3rd stringer this year, so I say trade for him Imagine Buehrle Colon Garland Beckett Wright Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
method Posted March 23, 2003 Share Posted March 23, 2003 except maybe Josh Beckett is that chance ever came up. If we got Josh Beckett cheap....pigs would be flying Beckett is by far my favorite of the Marlins pitchers. Beckett puts up 9 k's per 9 IP and he doesn't do it by throwing 100, he is 93, 94, he just pitches so damn well at such a young age...If only those damn blisters on his fingers would go away. I think the White Sox should trade Stewart, Paul, Glover, Almonte for Beckett and Ramon Castro. Then have Castro be the starting catcher for everyone but Colon--let Alomar catch Colon. Castro is a guy that could hit 20 HR in full season of work, his defense is good to, but apparently Florida is not big on him because they didn't play him much last year--even with CJ's struggles--and because they got I-Rod, Castro will be sitting on the bench as a 3rd stringer this year, so I say trade for him Imagine Buehrle Colon Garland Beckett Wright there is no way we get beckett for those stiffs. We would need to offer, Malone gar and rauch... u gotta remember the guy was a #1 pick.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted March 23, 2003 Share Posted March 23, 2003 Well getting Beckett is impossible. Burnett would be tough enough. Penny is probably the only one on that staff that you could acquire without giving up Rauch. Not that I wouldn't be willing to do that if they would listen. Getting Beckett would be like the Cubs trading Prior. Now if the Sox wanted someone, maybe near the deadline they could acquire Wood. Some don't think he's going to stick around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
method Posted March 23, 2003 Share Posted March 23, 2003 Well getting Beckett is impossible. Burnett would be tough enough. Penny is probably the only one on that staff that you could acquire without giving up Rauch. Not that I wouldn't be willing to do that if they would listen. Getting Beckett would be like the Cubs trading Prior. Now if the Sox wanted someone, maybe near the deadline they could acquire Wood. Some don't think he's going to stick around. doubt the cubune would trade wood to the sox.... bad for them... some of the bums may become sox fans... and with the rotation we have... i dont think the cubune will risk the sox winning the WS.... because they allowed us to have wood as our 3rd-4th starter... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joel Posted March 23, 2003 Share Posted March 23, 2003 Castro is a guy that could hit 20 HR in full season of work, his defense is good to, but apparently Florida is not big on him because they didn't play him much last year--even with CJ's struggles--and because they got I-Rod, Castro will be sitting on the bench as a 3rd stringer this year, so I say trade for him Imagine Buehrle Colon Garland Beckett Wright Thats what I have heard about castro also. That he can hit about 20 homers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted March 23, 2003 Share Posted March 23, 2003 Sounds like offensively he could be similar to Olivo, but defensively he's a bit below Olivo, whose one of the top defensive catching prospects in the minors. At least arm wise, he still has work on calling a game, but he's been taking huge steps in that regards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1549 Posted March 23, 2003 Share Posted March 23, 2003 I think offensively he is better than Olivo, I see Castro as maybe a Javy Lopez guy, and Olivo as like a Jason Varitec guy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted March 23, 2003 Share Posted March 23, 2003 I think Olivo could be like a Pudge Rodriguez. In all honesty, I think Olivo will develop as a hitter the longer he's up here, but he'll be here because of that gun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted March 23, 2003 Share Posted March 23, 2003 I'd love to have Kerry Wood in the rotation....he's a frickin stud....he has control problems occassionally....but if we could get away with dealing Rauch and a few others(nothing huge)....I'd be all for it. It would kill the Trib and they probably would lose a few fans, but man, would he be a helluva pickup. Wood would be an ace on a ton of teams....and a #2 on some others too. For us....depending on how Garland pitches this year....he could end up as our #4 guy. If a trade of like Rauch and Wright for Wood came up...I'd do it in a second. I'd be sad for Rauch and Wright....going from a good organization(other than spies in the clubhouse) to a circus like they have on the north side of town is teetering on abuse As much as I dispise the Cubbies....I do like Wood. And Cruz has a hell of an arm....if he could get some command of that stuff....he could be a nasty ass pitcher too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesox247 Posted March 24, 2003 Share Posted March 24, 2003 No way are the Cubs gonna trade Wood for just Rauch or Wright. He's a stud for them, and I wouldn't be surprised if Wood becomes a life-long Cub. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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