Al Lopez Ghost (old) Posted September 28, 2004 Share Posted September 28, 2004 I stoled this from WSI, so take it FWIW. Poster from Boston said that Gammons on Boston radio Sunday said Reinsdorf has told the executive council (and remember Reinsy is on the Montreal relocation committee) that he would like to see the White Sox move into the East Division. He said Toronto would want to move to the Central. All part of getting Montreal into Washington and the Orioles into the NL. Well, that would suck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted September 28, 2004 Share Posted September 28, 2004 Now this wouldn't be the infamous Otis at it again would it? :rolly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchetman Posted September 28, 2004 Share Posted September 28, 2004 holy crimony. that would be cool and suck at the same time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
He_Gawn Posted September 28, 2004 Share Posted September 28, 2004 That means he would HAVE to boost the payroll. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted September 28, 2004 Share Posted September 28, 2004 Attendance would probably increase with the Yankees and Bo Sox coming to town more often. Hell, we had to get past them to win a WS anyways. It would suck, and probably keep us out of the playoffs for my lifetime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 28, 2004 Share Posted September 28, 2004 That means he would HAVE to boost the payroll. Why would the Sox want to move to a tougher division and add more airtravel to their schedule? Plus they would either have to add payroll, or just blow up the team and start over again, because the inbetween stuff would kill them. I don't buy it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queen Prawn Posted September 28, 2004 Share Posted September 28, 2004 I don't buy it either. It makes absolutely no sense unless he is trying to alienate a large portion of the fan base. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted September 28, 2004 Share Posted September 28, 2004 Why would the Sox want to move to a tougher division and add more airtravel to their schedule? Plus they would either have to add payroll, or just blow up the team and start over again, because the inbetween stuff would kill them. I don't buy it. Why would JR put baseball down a path of a work stoppage when he had the best white sox team in 80 years and the best chance at a World Series? Because he's an idiot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighHeat45 Posted September 28, 2004 Share Posted September 28, 2004 If they needed a team in the AL East, why wouldnt the Indians move, Cleveland is much more eastern than we are? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 28, 2004 Share Posted September 28, 2004 Why would JR put baseball down a path of a work stoppage when he had the best white sox team in 80 years and the best chance at a World Series? Because he's an idiot. Let me put it this way. When this team goes into the toilet and no one goes to the ballpark, he won't be making any money. That is what the strike was about was controling salaries so that they could make more money, this move would kill the White Sox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted September 28, 2004 Share Posted September 28, 2004 Let me put it this way. When this team goes into the toilet and no one goes to the ballpark, he won't be making any money. That is what the strike was about was controling salaries so that they could make more money, this move would kill the White Sox. He doesn't care if there are 30,000 Yankee fans in the house. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
israel4ever Posted September 28, 2004 Share Posted September 28, 2004 Why would JR put baseball down a path of a work stoppage when he had the best white sox team in 80 years and the best chance at a World Series? Because he's an idiot. Right on, brother! JR is an asshole, but he's not stupid. IF he was planning such a move, there would have to be a huge financial incentive for him to do so. Either that, or he's moving East to pave the way for an eventual move of the team to Charlotte, NC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted September 28, 2004 Share Posted September 28, 2004 Here's the question: Would attendance increase or decrease? Series vs. Twins and Tigers or Series vs. the Bo Sox and Yankees? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 28, 2004 Share Posted September 28, 2004 Here's the question: Would attendance increase or decrease? Series vs. Twins and Tigers or Series vs. the Bo Sox and Yankees? How about the DRays and Blue Jays? How about all of the extra losses that this team will have early in the year because they are playing in a much better division? And what happens when the Sox are out of it? No one goes. They will be drawing 8,000 in April and July-September for anyone who isn't the Yankees or Red Sox. Yeah those 20 games that the Yanks/Sox are here will be full of their fans, but all of the rest of the games will plummet, because White Sox fans won't pay to see a team that doesn't have a chance at winning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchetman Posted September 28, 2004 Share Posted September 28, 2004 so i guess we concede that we could never be as good as the big spenders... i thought payroll didn't matter? cowards... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted September 28, 2004 Share Posted September 28, 2004 How about the DRays and Blue Jays? How about all of the extra losses that this team will have early in the year because they are playing in a much better division? And what happens when the Sox are out of it? No one goes. They will be drawing 8,000 in April and July-September for anyone who isn't the Yankees or Red Sox. Yeah those 20 games that the Yanks/Sox are here will be full of their fans, but all of the rest of the games will plummet, because White Sox fans won't pay to see a team that doesn't have a chance at winning. If we cannot beat the Yankees and Red Sox and compete for a World Series, why does anyone go now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 28, 2004 Share Posted September 28, 2004 If we cannot beat the Yankees and Red Sox and compete for a World Series, why does anyone go now? Because for most of the year, this team was in the divisional race. As soon as the team fell out, the only games that had big attendance were games that had big pre-sales. The sooner this team falls out of the race, the sooner attendance plumments. It is pretty much a proven fact. If we are out of the race in May instead of August, we will draw somewhere in the area of a million people instead of 2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted September 28, 2004 Share Posted September 28, 2004 Because for most of the year, this team was in the divisional race. As soon as the team fell out, the only games that had big attendance were games that had big pre-sales. The sooner this team falls out of the race, the sooner attendance plumments. It is pretty much a proven fact. If we are out of the race in May instead of August, we will draw somewhere in the area of a million people instead of 2. Then how does Baltimore draw all those fans? 2.5 million in 2003; 2.7 in 2002; and 2.5 year to date? Maybe Sox fans are not as loyal? Our stadium isn't as nice? The weather is better in Baltimore? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 28, 2004 Share Posted September 28, 2004 Then how does Baltimore draw all those fans? 2.5 million in 2003; 2.7 in 2002; and 2.5 year to date? Maybe Sox fans are not as loyal? Our stadium isn't as nice? The weather is better in Baltimore? How the heck do I know what Baltimore fans do? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted September 28, 2004 Share Posted September 28, 2004 (edited) MLB attendance stats (road) Road Attendance Numbers: #1 Yankees 40,503 #2 Cubs 37,100 #3 Red Sox 36,228 Who would want more games with the #1 and #3 biggest draws in baseball. When they could have: #25 Cleveland #27 Detroit #30 Minnesota #31 Kansas City I should add Baltimore is #18, Tampa Bay is #24, and Toronto #26. Edited September 28, 2004 by Texsox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted September 28, 2004 Share Posted September 28, 2004 (edited) We would also recieve more mention on ESPN, with their East Coast bias. More nationally televised games, and that could help develop more fans. I think it sucks for our competitiveness, but from a business stand point, I could see JR accepting cheerfully the switch. That would give us the complete sweep from Central to West Coast to Central to East Coast in my lifetime. Edited September 28, 2004 by Texsox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 28, 2004 Share Posted September 28, 2004 So out of curiousity where do Baltimore, Toronto and Tampa Bay rank without the Yankees and Red Sox home games skewing their numbers? It is easy to post those numbers and say that but you do realize that by playing all of those games in Boston which sold out it entire season, and NY which leads MLB in home attendance, those numbers are all bogus. The AL central is last in MLB in HOME attendance. Which when you play about half of your games against the AL Central, just goes to reason that AL Central road attendance would be pretty s***ty. And finally there is no correlation between how many Yankees and Red Sox fans go to see their team play the DRays in the Bronx, and how many people will go to see them in Chicago. Unless you are honestly trying to tell me that the Blue Jays, Devil Rays, and Orioles have huge followings. Is that what you are telling me? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchetman Posted September 28, 2004 Share Posted September 28, 2004 huh? the yanks and red sox are two of the biggest road draws. what is there not to understand? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babybearhater Posted September 28, 2004 Share Posted September 28, 2004 Then how does Baltimore draw all those fans? 2.5 million in 2003; 2.7 in 2002; and 2.5 year to date? Maybe Sox fans are not as loyal? Our stadium isn't as nice? The weather is better in Baltimore? Because the cubs dont play on the other side of baltimore. Face it, especially with the flubs making playoff runs, the chicago fans are jumping on the fair weather band wagon quick as ever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted September 28, 2004 Share Posted September 28, 2004 So out of curiousity where do Baltimore, Toronto and Tampa Bay rank without the Yankees and Red Sox home games skewing their numbers? It is easy to post those numbers and say that but you do realize that by playing all of those games in Boston which sold out it entire season, and NY which leads MLB in home attendance, those numbers are all bogus. The AL central is last in MLB in HOME attendance. Which when you play about half of your games against the AL Central, just goes to reason that AL Central road attendance would be pretty s***ty. And finally there is no correlation between how many Yankees and Red Sox fans go to see their team play the DRays in the Bronx, and how many people will go to see them in Chicago. Unless you are honestly trying to tell me that the Blue Jays, Devil Rays, and Orioles have huge followings. Is that what you are telling me? No matter where the Yankees, Cubs, and Bo Sox travel to, they draw bigger crowds. I am showing the ROAD rankings of attendance. So the Yankees draw an average of 40,000+ away from Yankee Stadium. Let's look at home attendance: #1 Yankees, #12 Boston, #13 Baltimore, #25 Toronto, #30 Tampa Bay #22 White Sox, #23 Detroit, #24 Minny, #26 Cleveland, #28 Kansas City Which group do you want to be part of? Do you think we will drop down to Toronto type numbers or increase to Baltimore type numbers? With more games against the premier teams in baseball, those teams that draw national attention, are in the thick of the race, with the superstars of baseball, we will increase attendance. Now the downside is we will be closer to the Washington Generals than the Globetrotters. But from a business profit standpoint, I can see why JR would explore the idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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